The Flag on High: As The World Went Dark

[Nick P]

Am I reading this right? Germany attacked the centre of Russia in October, went over a huge mountain range and got across 3500 miles of remote tundra where there are no sealed roads, few cart tracks, no railways and very few settlements. They will have no supply depots, little means of refuelling and be at risk of attack nearly the whole way. In 1940 the German Army had to stop outside Dunkirk after 400km of fighting in a modern country with good roads and fuel stops, because they ran out of fuel. This time it's 8000km...

This won't be just one line of attack, there would sensibly be at least 2 routes and both will need supplying with food, ammo and fuel. Half the German army will be used up just in delivering these vital needs. There will have to be an entire Pioneer Corps building a fuel pipeline along the way. Even building a string of airfields for the Luftwaffe will take time and only a limited amount can get in that way. Most of that would be bombs and parts for attack aircraft.
The attacking force will get smaller as more troops are left to guard places that are captured and they in turn will take their share of supplies. It'd be surprising if anything actually gets to the front line.

They are doing this in WINTER! Deep deep snow and blizzards for three months. After that it's the spring thaw which creates thick mud and swamps. Rivers are impassable due to the high water flow.

To do this in six months is so unrealistic it is ASB.

 

[Wendigo]

Am I reading this right? Germany attacked the centre of Russia in October, went over a huge mountain range and got across 3500 miles of remote tundra where there are no sealed roads, few cart tracks, no railways and very few settlements. They will have no supply depots, little means of refuelling and be at risk of attack nearly the whole way. In 1940 the German Army had to stop outside Dunkirk after 400km of fighting in a modern country with good roads and fuel stops, because they ran out of fuel. This time it's 8000km...

This won't be just one line of attack, there would sensibly be at least 2 routes and both will need supplying with food, ammo and fuel. Half the German army will be used up just in delivering these vital needs. There will have to be an entire Pioneer Corps building a fuel pipeline along the way. Even building a string of airfields for the Luftwaffe will take time and only a limited amount can get in that way. Most of that would be bombs and parts for attack aircraft.
The attacking force will get smaller as more troops are left to guard places that are captured and they in turn will take their share of supplies. It'd be surprising if anything actually gets to the front line.

They are doing this in WINTER! Deep deep snow and blizzards for three months. After that it's the spring thaw which creates thick mud and swamps. Rivers are impassable due to the high water flow.

To do this in six months is so unrealistic it is ASB.

What do you think would have been a more realistic time frame?

 

[Dan]

What do you think would have been a more realistic time frame?

I think you could do it in one season if the march were unopposed. I'd say 3 campaign seasons if there's only heavy resistance in a few spots that could be bypassed and put under siege or left to wither, but that's purely down to the distance.

 

[Wendigo]

I think you could do it in one season if the march were unopposed. I'd say 3 campaign seasons if there's only heavy resistance in a few spots that could be bypassed and put under siege or left to wither, but that's purely down to the distance.

3 campaign seasons meaning 3 years?

 

[Star Eater]

Am I reading this right? Germany attacked the centre of Russia in October, went over a huge mountain range and got across 3500 miles of remote tundra where there are no sealed roads, few cart tracks, no railways and very few settlements. They will have no supply depots, little means of refuelling and be at risk of attack nearly the whole way. In 1940 the German Army had to stop outside Dunkirk after 400km of fighting in a modern country with good roads and fuel stops, because they ran out of fuel. This time it's 8000km...

This won't be just one line of attack, there would sensibly be at least 2 routes and both will need supplying with food, ammo and fuel. Half the German army will be used up just in delivering these vital needs. There will have to be an entire Pioneer Corps building a fuel pipeline along the way. Even building a string of airfields for the Luftwaffe will take time and only a limited amount can get in that way. Most of that would be bombs and parts for attack aircraft.
The attacking force will get smaller as more troops are left to guard places that are captured and they in turn will take their share of supplies. It'd be surprising if anything actually gets to the front line.

They are doing this in WINTER! Deep deep snow and blizzards for three months. After that it's the spring thaw which creates thick mud and swamps. Rivers are impassable due to the high water flow.

To do this in six months is so unrealistic it is ASB.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand edited.

 

[Hades]

I wonder if himmler has plans for China now that Germany stretched to the Pacific. But here's how I think this ends.
Himmler: the Reich is master of Europe and Asia! The aryan race shall conquer all and exterminate the weak!

Robotic voice: strategic launch detected! strategic launch detected! strategic launch detected! strategic launch detected! strategic launch detected!

Himmler: oh scheisse.

 

[Wendigo]

I wonder if himmler has plans for China now that Germany stretched to the Pacific. But here's how I think this ends.
Himmler: the Reich is master of Europe and Asia! The aryan race shall conquer all and exterminate the weak!

Robotic voice: strategic launch detected! strategic launch detected! strategic launch detected! strategic launch detected! strategic launch detected!

Himmler: oh scheisse.

The Reich probably has bio/chem filled missiles to retaliate with as well. So in short a lot of people would die.

 

[kuzux]

the Kazakh capital of Astana fell after just a week,

Astana didn't exist OTL until 1998 (well, it kind of did, but it wasn't the capital until 1997, and it was called Akmoly then). The previous capital was Almaty. I don't see any reason Astana would exist ITTL in 1960

 

[Dan]

3 campaign seasons meaning 3 years?

Pretty much, although they'll be limited by the mud and winter etc, so while they could be out there for 3 years, they'll only really be operational for about 4 months a year. Unless of course they actually think to winterise their vehicles and supply seasonally appropriate clothing and footwear.

 

[Wendigo]

I wonder how Western Europe (France, Netherlands, Denmark, Belgium) fares under Nazi occupation.

How much repression and violence does the Reich and their respective fascist puppet governments use/have to use to keep things how they want it and under control?

 

[joho6411]

Am I reading this right? Germany attacked the centre of Russia in October, went over a huge mountain range and got across 3500 miles of remote tundra where there are no sealed roads, few cart tracks, no railways and very few settlements. They will have no supply depots, little means of refuelling and be at risk of attack nearly the whole way. In 1940 the German Army had to stop outside Dunkirk after 400km of fighting in a modern country with good roads and fuel stops, because they ran out of fuel. This time it's 8000km...

This won't be just one line of attack, there would sensibly be at least 2 routes and both will need supplying with food, ammo and fuel. Half the German army will be used up just in delivering these vital needs. There will have to be an entire Pioneer Corps building a fuel pipeline along the way. Even building a string of airfields for the Luftwaffe will take time and only a limited amount can get in that way. Most of that would be bombs and parts for attack aircraft.
The attacking force will get smaller as more troops are left to guard places that are captured and they in turn will take their share of supplies. It'd be surprising if anything actually gets to the front line.

They are doing this in WINTER! Deep deep snow and blizzards for three months. After that it's the spring thaw which creates thick mud and swamps. Rivers are impassable due to the high water flow.

To do this in six months is so unrealistic it is ASB.

I second the above. Too much space...too many variables...too small of a time frame...Four-&-half to five years if not longer. As retired US military, I have to say these three words to you: Logistics! Logistics! Logistics! To conquer, subdue, and safely garrison the principal towns, roads, and railways under the duress of war...4 to probably 5 years...and maybe even not then either.


Cheers, Joho

 

[Whiteshore]

Considering that Siberia is relatively sparsely-populated and the Reich probably killed a large proportion of Siberia's population, is it possible that after Nazi Germany collapses/is brought down, some areas of Siberia are annexed into China (Outer Manchuria and Tuva at the very least as they were part of the Qing Empire)?

 

[Wendigo]

Now that they've conquered all of the USSR and Sweden, what's next for the Reich?

 

[Not Henry G.]

Considering that Siberia is relatively sparsely-populated and the Reich probably killed a large proportion of Siberia's population, is it possible that after Nazi Germany collapses/is brought down, some areas of Siberia are annexed into China (Outer Manchuria and Tuva at the very least as they were part of the Qing Empire)?

You mean after 1000 years?

 

[QueenofScots]

Time to strike back for Freedom!

 

[Wendigo]

Time to strike back for Freedom!

The Allies won't do anything unless the Reich attacks China which considering they have a trade deal with them is unlikely.

But considering how Himmler conquered Sweden all bets are off.

I'm surprised the Reich hasn't conquered Switzerland, Spain/Portugal, or Turkey.

I find it to be hilarious that the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht which rules the militaries of all European nations allied or controlled by the Reich was later renamed the "Imperium."