The Fire Never Dies, Part II: The Red Colossus

[Meshakhad]

Over/Under on how many noticed or cared about what the KKK got up to?

Klan atrocities were widely reported on by left-leaning papers. However, many on the right consider these to be exaggerations - plus, they were only Negroes.

For that matter, I wonder if Liberia sent a delegation....

Liberia's "delegation" consisted of a rather bored representative of Firestone Rubber. He was mostly there to report on the proceedings.

Ya know when you're playing Kaiserreich as a 3I nation and the Halifax Conference fails you get a message that end with "Ha! they cannot agree, even to save their own skins"? That's the vibe I get reading this chapter.


Oh yeah, they were either the Klan or some deposed robber baron moaning about their "stolen" business.

Mostly the latter. There are very few surviving Klansmen at this point. Simmons brought as many as he could into DC for his apocalyptic last stand.

Since this thread now has the “fascist Britain” tag, may I recommend J. F. C. Fuller for a potential future leader?

I've already namedropped him.

Honestly the idea that Europe was going to hold hands and sing kumbaya a few, give or take, years after they just finished beating the crap out of each other just because there's a socialist country across the ocean was a pipe dream at best and completely divorced from reality at worst.


And there's the TL's stab-in-the back myth. Wondered when it would rear its ugly head. Given how the stab-in-the back myth was used in our timeline, I'm very scared for what will happen to the Germans when the war gets going. Also I wonder if the American exiles are adopting this myth wholeheartedly.

Of course, Germany is not that easy to get to. They do have the most powerful army in Europe. So those who believe in the stab-in-the-back myth will be looking for a target that is closer to home, people who can easily be othered. Many of them even speak a German-sounding language, after all...

 

[Mayukh]

I've already namedropped him.

Where?

 

[Mr. History man]

Of course, Germany is not that easy to get to. They do have the most powerful army in Europe. So those who believe in the stab-in-the-back myth will be looking for a target that is closer to home, people who can easily be othered. Many of them even speak a German-sounding language, after all...

Well that's an oh no for the Jewish population of the UK and any other country where the Falangists take power. I'm dreading what's going to happen to the Russian jewish population especially considering Tsar Nicky's old policies of pogroms and Russia's descent into far-right madness. Also how are the colonies of the European powers reacting to socialist America considering the fact that communism became popular among the native populations of said colonies?

 

[htgriffin]

Of course, Germany is not that easy to get to. They do have the most powerful army in Europe. So those who believe in the stab-in-the-back myth will be looking for a target that is closer to home, people who can easily be othered. Many of them even speak a German-sounding language, after all...

*sigh*

Fuck.

At least the Reich has no particular objection to taking them in, while the ASU turning Jewish refugees away is very low probability.

Also how are the colonies of the European powers reacting to socialist America considering the fact that communism became popular among the native populations of said colonies?

The most thoughtful sorts are likely arguing in favor of co-opting ever larger chunks of the Native Populations with varying degrees of desperation. I doubt they have the balance of influence.

 

[Mr. History man]

The most thoughtful sorts are likely arguing in favor of co-opting ever larger chunks of the Native Populations with varying degrees of desperation. I doubt they have the balance of influence.

Something tells me they aren't going to be listened to. I mean no one payed attention to the American Civil war when planning WW1 why listen now. Hell, France didn't take the hint when it marched into southeast Asia and Algeria to try and preserve their empire despite colonialism being on death's door by that point.

 

[Mayukh]

Tsar Nicky's

I maybe just be realizing this but... Is he alive?

 

[Zeca Urubu]

those who believe in the stab-in-the-back myth will be looking for a target that is closer to home, people who can easily be othered. Many of them even speak a German-sounding language, after all...

Yes, the dutch

 

[Mr. History man]

Yes, the dutch

Yeah it's not the Dutch. I'll give you hint, it's Europe's old scapegoat, the scapegoat that usually gets blamed alongside the Romani whenever things get bad.

 

[HonestAbe1809]

At least with the ASU around there’d be a place for Jewish refugees to flee to before things get genocidal.

 

[Meshakhad]

Where?

It was actually in one of the last updates in the first thread.

Well that's an oh no for the Jewish population of the UK and any other country where the Falangists take power. I'm dreading what's going to happen to the Russian jewish population especially considering Tsar Nicky's policies of pogroms. Also how are the colonies of the European powers reacting to socialist America considering the fact that communism became popular among the native populations of said colonies?

I'll need to figure that out at some point. The Caribbean in particular is going to be... tense.

*sigh*

Fuck.

At least the Reich has no particular objection to taking them in, while the ASU turning Jewish refugees away is very low probability.

Germany would be willing to take some Jews in. The ASU, on the other hand, has an open borders policy and a lot of Jews in positions of power (including the Speaker of the House, the Secretary-General of the Chamber, and the head of one of the main opposition parties).

The most thoughtful sorts are likely arguing in favor of co-opting ever larger chunks of the Native Populations with varying degrees of desperation. I doubt they have the balance of influence.

That has some potential, especially where there are native power structures. As mentioned before, the Caribbean is a particular point of tension. Not only are there not any native power structures, but the ASU is much closer.

I maybe just be realizing this but... Is he alive?

Yeah. He's currently in Paris and has given up any real hope of reclaiming his throne. The Russian monarchists have largely abandoned any idea of restoring Nicholas himself, instead fixating on someone else in the family.

At least with the ASU around there’d be a place for Jewish refugees to flee to before things get genocidal.

*bares teeth in what could vaguely be called a smile*

You're damn right.

 

[souvikkundu25140017]

Is there any economic collaboration or trade link with germany? Who is now leading Germany? SDP?

 

[htgriffin]

I'll need to figure that out at some point. The Caribbean in particular is going to be... tense.

Trying to get a critical mass of the population more concerned about Teh Socialism than... well... them will give the boffins in London/Paris/The Hague a few headaches. And that presumes any remotely accurate guesses as to the critical mass needed.

Germany would be willing to take some Jews in. The ASU, on the other hand, has an open borders policy and a lot of Jews in positions of power (including the Speaker of the House, the Secretary-General of the Chamber, and the head of one of the main opposition parties).

Mind you, Rothschild/Montefiore-tier capitalists showing up in New York might be awkward (I know, I know, they'd be the ones relocating to the German properties, but still).

 

[Meshakhad]

Is there any economic collaboration or trade link with germany?

Not explicit collaboration, but the ASU is trading with Europe. There have been various attempts by anti-socialists to boycott American goods, but those have not met with widespread success. Your average Briton will pass a poster exhorting him to avoid buying from socialists, shrug, then proceed to buy a loaf of bread made from American grain.

Mind you, there are some goods that aren't as available. For example, American tobacco exports are nonexistent. The major tobacco-growing areas suffered extensive damage during the war. After the war, a lot of the Southern agricultural collectives decided to diversify, using more land for food crops.

Who is now leading Germany? SDP?

I should do a post on German internal politics. It's not the SDP right now.

Trying to get a critical mass of the population more concerned about Teh Socialism than... well... them will give the boffins in London/Paris/The Hague a few headaches. And that presumes any remotely accurate guesses as to the critical mass needed.


Mind you, Rothschild/Montefiore-tier capitalists showing up in New York might be awkward (I know, I know, they'd be the ones relocating to the German properties, but still).

Yeah, they'll be going to Germany or Mitteleuropa for the most part.

 

[Mr. History man]

Trying to get a critical mass of the population more concerned about Teh Socialism than... well... them will give the boffins in London/Paris/The Hague a few headaches. And that presumes any remotely accurate guesses as to the critical mass needed.

Historically speaking, a lot of colonies, especially in Asia and Africa, became fond of socialism and communism as vehicles of liberation. Helps that the Soviets were practically the only people willing to give support to them both for ideological reasons and for the sake of having more allies. Also Latin America is probably going to be especially tense as the right wing's biggest supporter has turned red and may not want them anywhere near power. Probably doesn't help that the ASU already intervened in Mexico to support socialist rebellion.

 

[the Imperium of Canada]

I should do a post on German internal politics. It's not the SDP right now.

As I understand the conservative establishment basically did everything possible to keep the SPD out of power, so that could make things "interesting"...

 

[Mr. History man]

As I understand the conservative establishment basically did everything possible to keep the SPD out of power, so that could make things "interesting"...

Now you've got a socialist America in the mix so things get even more "interesting."

 

[Meshakhad]

As I understand the conservative establishment basically did everything possible to keep the SPD out of power, so that could make things "interesting"...

Now you've got a socialist America in the mix so things get even more "interesting."

The conservatives do have the advantage that Germany won. We will probably see the SPD in power at some point.

 

[Whiteshore]

The Russian monarchists have largely abandoned any idea of restoring Nicholas himself, instead fixating on someone else in the family.

I take it they champion Mikhail, Olga, or Alexei for the most part, I assume?

 

[diestormlie]

I take it they champion Mikhail, Olga, or Alexei for the most part, I assume?

It's European Monarchists. I can only imagine the answer is 'Yes, yes, yes, and some others, depending upon the week'.

 

[Meshakhad]

I take it they champion Mikhail, Olga, or Alexei for the most part, I assume?

It's European Monarchists. I can only imagine the answer is 'Yes, yes, yes, and some others, depending upon the week'.

Definitely. Of the three, Mikhail is favored by the traditional monarchists who want a strong monarchy. Olga is favored by the moderates who want a constitutional monarchy and also women's rights (many of their proposals would see Russia adopt cognatic succession to make Olga the heir instead of Alexei). Alexei is the long shot, given his health, but he is supported by a few hardliners - and, more ominously, those who want a figurehead for a military dictatorship.