The Fire Never Dies, Part II: The Red Colossus

Considering Yuan Shikai died in 1916 IOTL, did he live longer ITTL or still die in 1916? And on that note, how is Yuan Keding faring as Emperor ITTL in terms of how active would he be in Chinese politics and all that, especially with how IOTL, he apparently was a close friend of Wang Jingwei with the two "swearing to be brothers of different surnames".
 
Considering Yuan Shikai died in 1916 IOTL, did he live longer ITTL or still die in 1916? And on that note, how is Yuan Keding faring as Emperor ITTL in terms of how active would he be in Chinese politics and all that, especially with how IOTL, he apparently was a close friend of Wang Jingwei with the two "swearing to be brothers of different surnames".
He still died in 1916. Yuan Keding is doing... okay, I guess. His friendship with Wang Jingwei was enough to bring Wang over. Wang now heads the Social Democrats in the Chinese legislature (although they may have a different actual name). Yuan Keding himself is still dealing with warlords and rebels, particularly the Kuomintang. Sun Yat-sen's decision to oppose the Xinhai Emperor and insist on a republic has backfired, with many KMT supporters declaring their allegiance to the new dynasty. What remains has become increasingly radicalized, particularly as the only great power that might support the KMT at this point is the ASU.
 
Are tibet and or mongolia going to be able to become/stay independent?
Not very likely. There is a solid chance of either or both retaining their autonomy within China, but having a stronger China and a weaker Russia probably means that both will be brought to heel.
 
Not very likely. There is a solid chance of either or both retaining their autonomy within China, but having a stronger China and a weaker Russia probably means that both will be brought to heel.
Not surprising since exerting control over them would be an issue of national pride and Tibet is extremely important strategically so the Chinese can't afford for it to be owned or friendly to potentially hostile powers.
 
Not very likely. There is a solid chance of either or both retaining their autonomy within China, but having a stronger China and a weaker Russia probably means that both will be brought to heel.
Is it possible for China to retake Outer Manchuria and Haishenwai
 
I’ve been meaning to read this TL for a while, and I’m so glad that I got around for it. It’s a very interesting geopolitical setup, because we still have just one socialist great power, but the ASU is economically significant to the point that they can’t be completely ostracized from the international community. My biggest curiosity is about how they’re going to end up in TTL’s WW2. I can’t see them joining a general European war, even if I could see several potential flashpoints for such an occurrence. Perhaps an attack on Hawaii?
 
He still died in 1916. Yuan Keding is doing... okay, I guess. His friendship with Wang Jingwei was enough to bring Wang over. Wang now heads the Social Democrats in the Chinese legislature (although they may have a different actual name). Yuan Keding himself is still dealing with warlords and rebels, particularly the Kuomintang. Sun Yat-sen's decision to oppose the Xinhai Emperor and insist on a republic has backfired, with many KMT supporters declaring their allegiance to the new dynasty. What remains has become increasingly radicalized, particularly as the only great power that might support the KMT at this point is the ASU.
Aside from Wang Jingwei, any prominent politicians who are serving in Yuan Keding's government and their roles in the government? A particularly interesting figure who could play a role in TTL's China could be Yan Xishan, for starters.
 
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I’ve been meaning to read this TL for a while, and I’m so glad that I got around for it. It’s a very interesting geopolitical setup, because we still have just one socialist great power, but the ASU is economically significant to the point that they can’t be completely ostracized from the international community.
That is part of the idea. There's also the simple reality of where the socialist great power is.
My biggest curiosity is about how they’re going to end up in TTL’s WW2. I can’t see them joining a general European war, even if I could see several potential flashpoints for such an occurrence. Perhaps an attack on Hawaii?
I have a plan. That is all.
 
Is the number Socialist Nations more than the height of Soviet Power in otl Cold War?
Yes. More importantly, the percentage of the world in terms of population, territory, and economic strength that is socialist at the end of the alt-WW2 is far higher than IOTL.
 
13. The Anti-Socialist Congress
…The Second American Revolution was a massive shock to the global system, arguably more disruptive than World War I itself. The German conquest of Eastern Europe did change the balance of power, but the transformation of the United States into the American Socialist Union upended how everyone thought about international politics. No more was America a slumbering giant across an ocean. Now, she was a radical, dangerous force…

…Many European politicians and diplomats advocated for a grand European alliance against socialism. At that point, Europe was still governed by a mix of monarchies and bourgeois republics, but anyone could see that they all had more in common with each other than either did with Red America. The ASU threatened to completely destroy the current system…

…In February of 1921, the First Anti-Socialist Congress was held in Amsterdam. The Dutch government of the time was strongly conservative[1] and hoped that an anti-socialist alliance would both protect their Caribbean possessions and keep their own would-be revolutionaries in check. The Anti-Socialist Congress itself seemed like a fine affair, with speakers alternatively denouncing the evils of socialism and calling for Europe to unite against America. Exiled Americans gave heart-wrenching accounts of the crimes of the Reds. At the conclusion of the Congress, the delegates approved the Amsterdam Resolution, asking all European powers to commit to an anti-socialist alliance while forswearing aggression against their neighbors. As the delegates had included many legislators, they were confident that they would be heard…

… In every parliament in Europe, a proposal to ratify the Amsterdam Resolution was introduced. But to the dismay of the Anti-Socialist Congress, nearly every proposal was shot down. The sole exception, naturally, was the Russian Duma, but the notion of Russia as the leader of a global power bloc was laughable. Even the Dutch themselves refrained from ratifying. Prime Minister Charles Ruijs de Beerenbrouck was personally in favor of ratification, but he did not want the Dutch to make themselves a target. Even a hypothetical Russo-Dutch alliance would have been a feeble counterweight to the ASR. Merely holding the conference had triggered both diplomatic protests from New York and demonstrations by Dutch leftists…

…The failure of the Anti-Socialist Congress to unite Europe was, at the time, blamed on Germany. There was a popular perception – with more than a grain of truth to it – that Germany favored the socialists. It was true that Germany had intentionally fostered the Bolsheviks and unintentionally helped bring about the Second American Revolution, and even now saw the ASU as a bulwark against Britain and France. Even without any actual cooperation between Berlin and New York, Britain and France would never be able to bring their full might to bear against Germany as long as they had to worry about the Red Menace…

…But there was another factor. Simply put, the rancor between the former warring powers was too great for them to put aside their differences. An pan-European alliance would have required that France abandon its claims to Alsace-Lorraine, that Italy accept limits on its colonial empire, that Turkey forsake any dreams of restoring Ottoman hegemony. Blinkered by nationalistic territorial disputes and imperialist ambitions, the Great Powers of Europe were unable to form a united front…

…Over time, a new scapegoat emerged. After all, Germany had not been the only nation to refuse to ratify the Amsterdam Resolution. Aside from Russia, no government had been brave enough, been strong enough to stand up to the socialist menace. Their feckless leaders had bowed to pressure from within and without. What was needed was strong leadership, purity of vision, and a firm commitment to Europe’s traditional values…

- From How Liberty Died: The Rise of Falangism by Ulrike Meinhoff (Köln: Red Front Press)

[1] OTL.
 
The Anti-Socialist Congress itself seemed like a fine affair, with speakers alternatively denouncing the evils of socialism and calling for Europe to unite against America. Exiled Americans gave heart-wrenching accounts of the crimes of the Reds
Over/Under on how many noticed or cared about what the KKK got up to?

For that matter, I wonder if Liberia sent a delegation....
 
Ya know when you're playing Kaiserreich as a 3I nation and the Halifax Conference fails you get a message that end with "Ha! they cannot agree, even to save their own skins"? That's the vibe I get reading this chapter.

Over/Under on how many noticed or cared about what the KKK got up to?
Oh yeah, they were either the Klan or some deposed robber baron moaning about their "stolen" business.
 
Honestly the idea that Europe was going to hold hands and sing kumbaya a few, give or take, years after they just finished beating the crap out of each other just because there's a socialist country across the ocean was a pipe dream at best and completely divorced from reality at worst.

Over time, a new scapegoat emerged. After all, Germany had not been the only nation to refuse to ratify the Amsterdam Resolution. Aside from Russia, no government had been brave enough, been strong enough to stand up to the socialist menace. Their feckless leaders had bowed to pressure from within and without. What was needed was strong leadership, purity of vision, and a firm commitment to Europe’s traditional values
And there's the TL's stab-in-the back myth. Wondered when it would rear its ugly head. Given how the stab-in-the back myth was used in our timeline, I'm very scared for what will happen to the Germans when the war gets going. Also I wonder if the American exiles are adopting this myth wholeheartedly.
 
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