The Fire Never Dies, Part II: The Red Colossus

Been catching up interesting timeline, curious to see the direction it goes.

For Austria, I would say one thing that very well would wreck ironically is less the demobilization than the nation being ''reconnected'', at the start of the war the government and military did it's best to suppress and take out any and all potential opposition from socialist to ethnic. This backfired dramatically in Galicia where on retreating the Austrian army massacred up to 30,000 civilians mostly Ruthenians thinking they where Russian fifth column. The Polish where inflamed that they did not get Congress Poland, the Jews saw horrific treatment during this period and little was done to aid them and a rise in anti-Semitism across the empire in this period as well. The fall of the empire largely prevent this episode from being well known given what happened next but their is next to little love for the AH in this region.

Basically this province I would very much consider nearly impossible to keep unless very serious things are done to to change the Austrian empire that would are nigh impossible or it can be ''let go'' and preserve the core imperial structure, the process is likely going to be odd but I think the Austrians would be more willing to do it for both more influnce in Ukraine and it to serve as a replacement breadbasket that's loyal to them.

Though for Slavs with Austria after losing to Germany did not cease being a empire, rather it changed it's focus to the Balkans and began expanding Bosnia being acquired in 1877 war and annexed in 1910 meant to serve as a internal colony. Going to be curious how that plays out with a more intact Ottoman empire given the status quo victory they achieved here. Keep trying to expand? Reach a settlement?

O yeah by the way ironically and kinda vilely I think Germany and Austria may have a odd partner in the Russian empire, this might not make sense and won't last but the simple fact is the Russian people need grain as well as coal and other materials to rebuild it following the war and Ukraine is the best source for plus peasant and socialist uprisings prevent those goods from being harvested and been traded to Russia and could spread into it. Not saying it's a eternal alliance in fact I suspect Russia's going to try and play their hand in it a few years later but for now I can see a détente based on mutual profit and both would starve if it's to destabilized.
 
OK, I need some help figuring out the situation in Austria-Hungary. I don't have a clear plan beyond "some level of violence necessitating foreign intervention" as I'm unsure what a surviving Austria-Hungary would look like. Before the war, I know the southern Slavs were agitating for equality or independence, and I believe the Hungarians were opposed and might have tried to break away. But I don't know who would have started the violence or how things would have developed.

If anyone here can help, or point me to someone else on the forum who can, please pipe up! The survival (or not) of Austria-Hungary is at stake!
So the two major proposals for reform in Austria-Hungary were the 1906 "United States of Greater Austria" plan (basically an attempt to federalize the Empire to stave off ethnic separatism) and the 1910 "Trialism" plan (elevating the South Slavs under a Croation monarchy equal to the Austrian and Hungarian ones). Franz Ferdinand actually supported both, oddly enough. Anyway, I once did a one-off post where the latter is forced through*, the Hungarians try to break away (since it conflicted with their Magyarization goals) and the divide between Hungarian communists and ethnonationalists undermines their efforts in the subsequent Austrian Civil War while still showing all the regional enclaves the true horror of a full-blown disintegration of the Empire. By playing divide and rule (and implementing Esperanto as a mandatory secondary language) the end result essentially combines the two proposals, with a complex federal patchwork united around a constitutional triple monarchy.

Here's an OTL map of the United States of Greater Austria:
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And here's the flag I made for my scenario, combining the colors of the three constituent monarchies and featuring a green star for the booming esperantist movement:
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*It's part of a "No Great War" scenario so Franz Ferdinand is spearheading the thing but I think the basic idea is sound.
 
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other interesting figure in Austro-Hungarian leftism would be Georgy Lukacs, which would be much more radical than american socialism i imagine
 
Also, I've written up a provisional timeline of American premiers. This isn't set in stone, but I'm mostly satisfied. Beyond the three I've already confirmed (Eugene Debs, Cesar Chavez, and Gary Locke), here are a few hints:
- No American Premier has ever served for multiple terms.
- One Premier was President IOTL.
- Five women have served as Premier.
- Six Premiers have been nonwhite.
- Six Premiers held flag rank in the American military ITTL (but only one did so IOTL).
- One Premier has been in space ITTL
How many Premiers were there including Gary Locke up until now?
 
So the two major proposals for reform in Austria-Hungary were the 1906 "United States of Greater Austria" plan (basically an attempt to federalize the Empire to stave off ethnic separatism) and the 1910 "Trialism" plan (elevating the South Slavs under a Croation monarchy equal to the Austrian and Hungarian ones). Franz Ferdinand actually supported both, oddly enough. Anyway, I once did a one-off post where the latter is forced through*, the Hungarians try to break away (since it conflicted with their Magyarization goals) and the divide between Hungarian communists and ethnonationalists undermines their efforts in the subsequent Austrian Civil War while still showing all the regional enclaves the true horror of a full-blown disintegration of the Empire. By playing divide and rule (and implementing Esperanto as a mandatory secondary language) the end result essentially combines the two proposals, with a complex federal patchwork united around a constitutional triple monarchy.

Here's an OTL map of the United States of Greater Austria:
1280px-Greater_austria_ethnic.svg.png


And here's the flag I made for my scenario, combining the colors of the three constituent monarchies and featuring a green star for the booming esperantist movement:
finvenkismo-png.666864


*It's part of a "No Great War" scenario so Franz Ferdinand is spearheading the thing but I think the basic idea is sound.
Can I yoink this scenario for my own timeline, then? Love this concept
 
10. The American Film Industry after the Revolution
…The American film industry had barely been established when the Revolution upended everything. To make matters worse, American filmmakers had largely settled in Hollywood, a suburb of Los Angeles, in order to escape Thomas Edison’s patents[1]. Unsurprisingly, film production in Hollywood effectively ceased during the war. By necessity, the film studio moguls sided with the Whites. When Admiral Caperton withdrew from southern California in 1918, most of the moguls went with him…

…Meanwhile, the Reds had begun using film as a tool of propaganda. An entirely new film industry was established in New York, drawing on the city’s theater scene for talent. When the commissariats were created in October of 1917, the New York film industry was formally divided between the Commissariats for War and Industry after War Commissar William Z. Foster insisted that propaganda for military purposes had to be under military purview. This was the genesis for the two major government-backed studios: Industrial Film Collective (IFC) and Red Army Studios (RAS)…

…From a technical standpoint, these wartime films were not very sophisticated. As most of their talent came from the stage, they often settled for a single unmoving camera pointed at a stage. But their impact on American cinema cannot be understated. With so many men off fighting, the Red film industry was staffed primarily by women. Industry Commissar Daniel DeLeon made a point to use women not only as actresses but as writers and directors. Industrial Film Collective became known for films made from a female perspective, addressing common concerns of women in order to convince them of the benefits of socialism…

…Meanwhile, Red Army Studios sought to give soldiers a voice in how they were portrayed. Where actual combat footage was unavailable, recreations of combat for the screen invariably had veteran soldiers on hand as advisors or even directors. The legendary Buster Keaton[2] got his start in directing when he transferred to RAS after losing part of his leg at the Battle of Mine Ridge…

…After the war, Hollywood would see a revival. California offered a diversity of environments for shooting films on location that few other parts of the ASU could match. William Trautmann, who replaced DeLeon as Commissar for Industry in 1920, encouraged the creation of so-called “independent” studios not under the creative control of the government. Their focus on entertainment and artistic expression enabled them to successfully compete with both IFC and RAS, despite the latter two having more resources. Most actors, directors, and writers were full employees of a given studio and only produced films with that studio…

…In 1923, Congress passed the Cinematic Productions Act which would govern the American film industry. This formalized the distinction between creative control and financial compensation which remains a key feature of the American film industry to this day. The proceeds of a film would naturally be divided among everyone involved in its production, but an outside entity could provide some of the funding in exchange for creative control. While it was (and still is) common for a government agency or union to fund a film that promotes their agenda, they could not do so as a form of investment…

…IFC was never really able to overcome its propaganda roots and the studio hemorrhaged talent. They continued making propaganda (now increasingly at the behest of the Commissariat for Foreign Affairs) but gradually slipped out of cultural relevance. Eventually, they found a niche in producing documentaries and educational content. Easily the most famous IFC director of the 1920s was Charles Bowers[3], whose slapstick-filled workplace safety films were a surprise hit…

…RAS, on the other hand, was able to continue producing quality war films, making use of their access to military equipment and veterans. Without the need to promote an ongoing conflict, RAS increasingly focused on highlighting the experiences of common soldiers. In addition to action films like Comrades, Arm Yourselves! (1923), Death Special (1924) or Angels of Death (1926), RAS produced comedies like The General (1926)[4], psychological dramas like Unmoored (1924), and of course the first feature-length film with synchronized sound, 1927’s Cuban Rose

…The origins of Death Special are certainly worth mentioning. On the face of it, a film based on the armored car battles of the Revolution seemed like a surefire hit, offering high-speed action and car chases through the mountains and canyons of southern Colorado. What the RAS Production Committee was troubled by was its director. George Patton had not only been present for these battles, he had been the commander on the White side and intended to portray himself. RAS only agreed to produce the film on the condition that Patton clearly portray the Reds as the heroes, meaning he would be the film’s antagonist. Patton readily agreed, reportedly telling the Committee “You boys won after all.” Of course, Death Special proved to be a smash hit, even getting a sound remake in 1929. Patton himself developed a taste for playing the bad guy, appearing in most of his subsequent films as some kind of villain (even if it was just a cameo as a henchman)…

…Of course, there was one other impact of the Second American Revolution on film: the exiles. In addition to the moguls, many American actors chose to leave with the Pacific Fleet. After the Treaty of Colón, most of them ended up in Australia. The Australian film industry had been one of the most productive in the world, but had entered something of a slump. The arrival of fresh American talent was a key factor in revitalizing the Australian film industry, making Australian films not only dominant in their home country, but exported around the world[5]

- From The Silver Screen In Red: A History of the American Film Industry by Gene Siskel



[1] OTL. At the time, Edison held the patents for most filmmaking equipment and tried to monopolize it. However, the Ninth Circuit Court (which covers the western US, including California) wasn’t that big on patent law.

[2] IOTL, Joseph “Buster” Keaton was one of the most prominent directors of the silent film era. He also served in the American Expeditionary Force in World War I.

[3] IOTL, Bowers was a very innovative comedian whose work was largely forgotten for decades, but is now considered among the best of the silent era.

[4] This film exists IOTL as well.

[5] IOTL, Australia’s film industry took much longer to recover from their 1910s slump, with American films dominating in the 20s and 30s. ITTL, Australian cinema recovers quicker, in part because American films are viewed as ideologically subversive.
 
For the fall of Britain/France/Russia to far-right rule, maybe instead of having something like the March of Rome or the Enabling Act for them, maybe one of the far-right takeovers are slower (maybe the one in Britain) and have more in common with the fall of Taisho Democracy in Japan than anything else?
 
For the fall of Britain/France/Russia to far-right rule, maybe instead of having something like the March of Rome or the Enabling Act for them, maybe one of the far-right takeovers are slower (maybe the one in Britain) and have more in common with the fall of Taisho Democracy in Japan than anything else?
I'm definitely leaning towards slow takeovers. Russia might be the exception - their situation is unstable enough that a far-right government could easily take power soon.
 
I'm definitely leaning towards slow takeovers. Russia might be the exception - their situation is unstable enough that a far-right government could easily take power soon.
How is Nationalisation/Socialisation of the ASU Econonomy going? Any 5-Year Plans/ Nationalisations/Collectivisation?
Also is the ASU economy in 1920 and 2020 both Socialist or are they Both Mixed/Corporatatist? How does incentives , innovations, private property laws and target quotas for factories/ collective farms work?
Ie, is ASU economy closer to Nordic Model or is it closer to Soviet Model or is it Chinese Model?
 
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...Patton as a filmmaker/actor is great! He definitely makes for a great antagonist for films.

I hope that IFC's decline didn't hurt the prospects of female directors and writers...
 
I hope that IFC's decline didn't hurt the prospects of female directors and writers...
From the "hemorrhaging talent" bit, I suspect a lot of them made the jump to independent studios. I do suspect that a lot of the proto-"PBS" voiceovers are women though.
 
How is Nationalisation/Socialisation of the ASU Econonomy going? Any 5-Year Plans/ Nationalisations/Collectivisation?
Also is the ASU economy in 1920 and 2020 both Socialist or are they Both Mixed/Corporatatist? How does incentives , innovations, private property laws and target quotas for factories/ collective farms work?
Ie, is ASU economy closer to Nordic Model or is it closer to Soviet Model or is it Chinese Model?
The American economy is something we never quite saw IOTL. Workers control the cooperatives, which in turn make up the industrial unions, which send delegates to Congress. It's almost state capitalism in reverse.

For the most part, socialization was pushed through extremely rapidly, usually by the Red Army during the Revolution itself. Virtually every single business in the ASU is now a cooperative, although there are a few that are really cooperatives in name only, with the former boss still wielding all real authority. Fortunately, with the profusion of socialist propaganda, the only bosses that have held on did so because they had the genuine loyalty of their employees.

Collectivization has been an ongoing process, primarily in the agriculture sector. It's voluntary, but the Commissariat for Agriculture has put a lot of pressure on farmers to unite their farms with their neighbors. The Agriculture and Food Workers' Industrial Union supports it because it cuts operating costs and increases dividends for their members. The Commissariat for Industry has pursued a similar policy with regards to many other industries, trying to avoid having competing businesses in the same area.

Target quotas are controlled by the industrial unions. Some of them don't share their dividends equally among employees, but instead use a system of surveys to give bonuses to the most productive employees or cooperatives. It's also becoming common to recognize that people whose work is inherently more valuable are deserving of higher pay. For example, an engineer who designs a plane earns more than a mechanic who helps build it. This is generally tied to education and experience, and the multipliers are very small. Both of these practices are controversial, and the RSP has tried to ban them.

Innovation is a thorny issue. The Patent Law passed by the GDC continues to grant inventors a right to a share in the profits of their inventions, but not control. For example, if Nikola Tesla designs a new motor, he can't tell someone that they can't make, use, or sell it, but he can demand a share of the profits. More controversial is innovations in business. Sam Rayburn has been working on bills that would allow at least some sort of entrepreneurship, but he's fighting an uphill battle.

I'll cover the Five-Year Plans in an update of its own (along with more detail on some of these points).
...Patton as a filmmaker/actor is great! He definitely makes for a great antagonist for films.
To be clear, a lot of the time Patton is simply cameoing as a henchman or something. Death Special was unusual in that Patton was the antagonist.
I hope that IFC's decline didn't hurt the prospects of female directors and writers...
From the "hemorrhaging talent" bit, I suspect a lot of them made the jump to independent studios. I do suspect that a lot of the proto-"PBS" voiceovers are women though.
Exactly. There's still some prejudice against female directors, with many assuming that they can only make female-oriented films. Fortunately, the entry of women into the workforce means that more and more women now have disposable income, so one can make a comfortable living just making so-called "doll films" (which today would be called "chick films"). However, some women are pushing back against this. One of the independent studios, New York-based Lady Liberty Studios, was founded by several female directors and actresses who were dissatisfied with their treatment.

And yes, women are now very popular for voiceover work, especially in radio. Even Red Army Studios uses women for voiceovers.
Any plans for Walt and Disney.
Disney will show up. Obviously, we won't get the OTL Disney corporation, but there will be an animation studio founded by Disney.
 
Disney will show up. Obviously, we won't get the OTL Disney corporation, but there will be an animation studio founded by Disney.
Maybe Disney will live happier in this reality, as he can work on more significant and plot-relevant works and establish his dream, not as the founder of a corporation, but as a dreamer.
 
Maybe Disney will live happier in this reality, as he can work on more significant and plot-relevant works and establish his dream, not as the founder of a corporation, but as a dreamer.
Most likely, Disney will not be quite as famous ITTL as IOTL. His studio (which I need a name for) will probably remain focused on animation. We might see Disneyland, as the notion of theme parks with rides based on popular IPs is not incompatible with socialism, but he'll have to work harder to convince his fellow workers of it.

Actually, now that I think about it, Disney might try his hand at politics. He won't end up as Premier, but he could certainly run for the Chamber of Delegates...
 
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