Presupposes that cost-effectiveness is the goal, instead of keeping the poors and minorities "in their place"
The Fire Never Dies: Labor's Star Ascendant
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I mean, he existed, but he's not coming anywhere near to power. One of the first entries in Part 2 will be the Mexican Socialist Republic's first election: Zapata vs. Villa.
Some form of agrarian socialism is inevitable. In fact, it already exists: Zapatism. Many agrarian societies will be looking to Mexico for their ideological inspiration (even if they are going to the ASU for a handout).
That will also be a factor.
Liberia has completely broken with America by this point, and is weighing its options vis-a-vis European partners. A major influence here is Harvey Firestone, who has moved both himself and Firestone Rubber HQ to Liberia.
You can bet that guys in fancy hats are frantically wargaming this out. The most common outcome, of course, is "The Red Navy overruns the Caribbean while the Red Army does to Toronto, Ottawa, and Montreal what it did to Salt Lake City, Wilmington, and Washington". Of course, anyone who suggests that there is no point in trying to defend these areas from the Reds is immediately castigated as a defeatist.
At the moment, cost-effectiveness is high on people's lists. They did just get through a world war, after all.
Obvious bit of Irony would be his family and those of the various suits that followed in his train marrying into the Liberian ruling class.
Of course even many of the optimists would feel obligated to ask "How best to keep the populations from revolting in the Reds' favor while (or worse, before) their military shows up?" The answers may vary.
What is situation in india? With British one the losing side and Lack of Indo German Conspiracy surely have some impact other than near inaction revolutionary movement in india.
I know OTL Zapata and Villa prefered to focus on their home provinces with a weak central government that couldn't interfer, but I suppose the fact that resulted in the constitutionalists getting the upper hand over the conventionalists might have taught them a lesson.
Right now, Harvey is looking to replace his lost manufacturing facilities. If he gets a deal tomorrow with someone in Europe, he'll move there. But the longer that takes, the more likely that Firestone Rubber becomes a genuinely Liberian corporation. Harvey is considering how he could become the most powerful man in Liberia.
I am curious if the British, French, or Dutch would have seriously considered some form of local autonomy or self-government. Of course, that does bring the risk of socialists winning the elections and declaring independence with American support.
From a British perspective, the war was more of a draw. On the one hand, Britain did actually gain some territory from the Ottomans (plus a few former American islands). On the other hand, they failed to effectively contain Germany
The Indo-German conspiracy did happen as IOTL. However, the Ghadar movement now has genuine sanctuary in the ASU. This will lead to Indian nationalism gaining more overtly socialist aspects. This could lead to something like the Bharatiya Commune from Kaiserreich, an Indian version of Labor Zionism, or something far worse.
Villa has aligned himself much closer to American-style syndicalism after spending months alongside the likes of Vincent St. John and Joe Hill. Zapata favors a more decentralized approach.
I think Bhagat Singh will go to ASU to meet Ghadarites.
Also btw why isn't Bhagat Singh in Bharatiya Commune in Kaiserreich.
He was like the only Communist at the time.
I think revolutionary movement will also focus on social reform aspect as well to get more support among untouchable and dalits. They even able to create far more support in rural area as well.
What is situation among non Abrahamic faith in US right now?
What is situation among non Abrahamic faith in US right now?
I think almost all faiths are being persecuted for being People's Opium.
you did note the first part of the new Constitutional Guarantees, right?
nobody is getting persecuted for shit
104. The 1919 Constitutional Convention (Part 3)
…All Commonwealths shall provide for their citizens a democratic and socialist form of government…
…The Industrial Unions shall be organized into six Departments:
…No Industrial Union may be established, dissolved, merged with another Industrial Union, or divided into two or more Industrial Unions without the consent of all Unions involved and their respective Departments…
…No worker may hold office or voting rights in more than one Industrial Union…
- From Articles IV and VI of the ASU Constitution
…All elections for government office in the American Socialist Union or any constituent body shall be conducted by ranked choice vote…
- The Seventh Guarantee of the ASU Constitution
…One of the first major defeats for the Reformists was the abolition of the Senate. The socialists viewed the Senate as an undemocratic and reactionary body, a relic of the United States’ origins as a coalition of states. In its place would be the Chamber of Labor Delegates, representing the various labor unions. There were various proposals for how the unions would be organized, but in the end the convention adopted the Haywood Plan, based largely on the structure of the IWW. There would be six departments, each divided into several industrial unions[1]. The industrial inions would be the equivalent of states, with autonomy over their own internal affairs. The departments were mostly there to act as mediators for disputes over jurisdiction between industrial unions…
…There would be other changes. The adoption of ranked choice voting was somewhat controversial, but quickly found favor among both the Revolutionaries and Reformists. Both were laying the groundwork for their future political parties, and both feared that the SLP would utterly dominate them under a traditional first-past-the-post system. Their fears ultimately proved correct, but that had more to do with the SLP absorbing many former Revolutionaries and Reformists. A proposal to mandate the use of single transferable vote was shot down, but by 1925 every single industrial union would do so, as would several of the commonwealths. A proposal to allow popular referendums at the national level failed to gain traction, but the idea did not go away…
…The 1919 Convention did not establish the industrial unions. Those would be set up afterwards in a series of hurried conventions by the respective departments. All of these had to be conducted fairly quickly in advance of the 1920 elections, and thus the IWW’s existing framework was used (with some modification). Most of the modern industrial unions were established at these conventions, but the exact definitions have changed over time, and a number of new industrial unions would be founded later on. For example, subway employees were initially part of the Railroad Workers’ Industrial Union before being moved to the Ground Transportation and Transit Workers’ Industrial Union in 1937, while the Sex Workers’ Industrial Union, would not separate from the Performing Arts and Recreation Workers’ Industrial Union until 1953[2]…
- From A New Union: A Political History of the American Socialist Union by Hillary Rodham
[1] This system theoretically exists today, although no industrial unions are currently active in the IWW.
[2] The Sex Workers’ Industrial Union is (nominally) one of the industrial unions of the IWW. I am unsure when it was founded, or whether its numerical designation (IU 690) was a coincidence or not.
…The Industrial Unions shall be organized into six Departments:
- The Department of Agriculture, Land, Fisheries, and Water Products
- The Department of Mining
- The Department of Construction
- The Department of Manufacturing and General Production
- The Department of Transportation and Communication
- The Department of Public Services
…No Industrial Union may be established, dissolved, merged with another Industrial Union, or divided into two or more Industrial Unions without the consent of all Unions involved and their respective Departments…
…No worker may hold office or voting rights in more than one Industrial Union…
- From Articles IV and VI of the ASU Constitution
…All elections for government office in the American Socialist Union or any constituent body shall be conducted by ranked choice vote…
- The Seventh Guarantee of the ASU Constitution
…One of the first major defeats for the Reformists was the abolition of the Senate. The socialists viewed the Senate as an undemocratic and reactionary body, a relic of the United States’ origins as a coalition of states. In its place would be the Chamber of Labor Delegates, representing the various labor unions. There were various proposals for how the unions would be organized, but in the end the convention adopted the Haywood Plan, based largely on the structure of the IWW. There would be six departments, each divided into several industrial unions[1]. The industrial inions would be the equivalent of states, with autonomy over their own internal affairs. The departments were mostly there to act as mediators for disputes over jurisdiction between industrial unions…
…There would be other changes. The adoption of ranked choice voting was somewhat controversial, but quickly found favor among both the Revolutionaries and Reformists. Both were laying the groundwork for their future political parties, and both feared that the SLP would utterly dominate them under a traditional first-past-the-post system. Their fears ultimately proved correct, but that had more to do with the SLP absorbing many former Revolutionaries and Reformists. A proposal to mandate the use of single transferable vote was shot down, but by 1925 every single industrial union would do so, as would several of the commonwealths. A proposal to allow popular referendums at the national level failed to gain traction, but the idea did not go away…
…The 1919 Convention did not establish the industrial unions. Those would be set up afterwards in a series of hurried conventions by the respective departments. All of these had to be conducted fairly quickly in advance of the 1920 elections, and thus the IWW’s existing framework was used (with some modification). Most of the modern industrial unions were established at these conventions, but the exact definitions have changed over time, and a number of new industrial unions would be founded later on. For example, subway employees were initially part of the Railroad Workers’ Industrial Union before being moved to the Ground Transportation and Transit Workers’ Industrial Union in 1937, while the Sex Workers’ Industrial Union, would not separate from the Performing Arts and Recreation Workers’ Industrial Union until 1953[2]…
- From A New Union: A Political History of the American Socialist Union by Hillary Rodham
[1] This system theoretically exists today, although no industrial unions are currently active in the IWW.
[2] The Sex Workers’ Industrial Union is (nominally) one of the industrial unions of the IWW. I am unsure when it was founded, or whether its numerical designation (IU 690) was a coincidence or not.
ARTICLE 124. In order to ensure to citizens freedom of conscience, the church in the U.S.S.R. is separated from the state, and the school from the church. Freedom of religious worship and freedom of anti-religious propaganda is recognized for all citizens.
Article 124 of USSR's 1936 Constitution.
Could you elaborate on "several of the commonwealths"? I interpret the word several as meaning between 5-10, and if the commonwealths are basically the states renamed (plus the Navajo and other native commonwealths that are created, I guess), then that would mean most commonwealths haven't adopted STV. Is this meant to indicate that there are significant differences in the politics of the commonwealths and industrial unions (beyond the electoral differences)?
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How will the Government deal with an anti- government Great Longshoremen's strike style Strike.
They know it very well how it can overpower a state.
Will they just cave to the demands or will they just repress the strikers regardless of the constitutional guarantees?
by definition a strike in a syndicalist system cannot be anti-government, because the unions are the government.
I don't think you're engaging with the timeline in good faith, though
Actually It never came to my mind honestly.
Its just the legislature going against the President.
Making dumb mistakes doesn't mean Im not engaging with rhe tl in a god faith is a wierd claim to me.