The Fire Never Dies: Labor's Star Ascendant

I doubt everyone still in the White government is ok with the KKK; thus, once they are in charge, I believe some less-extremist sides will leave, thus depriving once again the Whites of people and manpower...

ALSO, I hope in next chapter we will see some POV from someone who fought under the Whites banner until now...but now that they saw Simmons and his mooks storming the White House, they "open their eyes" and try to either leave or atone for their actions...
That would be an interesting POV... let me think about it...
 
I feel like even though there was a lot of racism that had become normalized during this time period—it wasn't called the "nadir of race relations" for nothing—some whites would still think the KKK's rise to power was sketchy even before they did an outright coup.
 
To make matters worse, Wilson was not dead. He was confined to his bed and in no position to execute his duties, but he was alive and likely to remain so. This created a dangerous power vacuum. As long as Wilson breathed, he was still the President[1]
Methinks someone on the GDC side of the house is drafting an "In Case Of Incapacitation" clause for proposal at the upcoming Constitutional Convention at this point.

Many in Congress were outraged, but most accepted this course of action, with many privately celebrating that Marshall had seen sense. On October 7, the GDC voted to open negotiations with Marshall, with a ceasefire set for October 10…
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Well, it's good that the legitimacy of the white government has been tarnished. Still, one has to wonder how the benefits of that weighs against the continued bloodshed instigated by the coup.
Tossup on if this saved Woodrow from another stroke, and it is a stretch to imagine enough Anti-Klan White figures surviving to form a rump Democratic Party that could show their face at the upcoming Constitutional Convention... so in short there really is not an upside here.
 
Methinks someone on the GDC side of the house is drafting an "In Case Of Incapacitation" clause for proposal at the upcoming Constitutional Convention at this point.
Absolutely. As well as a much clearer line of succession, probably extending beyond the federal government.
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Absolutely. WI Simmons never launched his coup? What if Simmons didn't manage to take out Pershing? What if Washington [CENSORED]?
Tossup on if this saved Woodrow from another stroke, and it is a stretch to imagine enough Anti-Klan White figures surviving to form a rump Democratic Party that could show their face at the upcoming Constitutional Convention... so in short there really is not an upside here.
There is definitely one: Sam Rayburn. Realistically, he's more likely to show up alongside Hiram Johnson as part of a non-socialist faction.
 
Absolutely. As well as a much clearer line of succession, probably extending beyond the federal government.

Absolutely. WI Simmons never launched his coup? What if Simmons didn't manage to take out Pershing? What if Washington [CENSORED]?

There is definitely one: Sam Rayburn. Realistically, he's more likely to show up alongside Hiram Johnson as part of a non-socialist faction.
Second Burning of Washington?
 
Especially as I highly doubt the Whites in Panama are fans of what Simmons advocates.
I wonder how many POWs (including Naval Officers too serious about their oaths to Elected Government to go along with the Great Mutiny, but could not bring themselves to make more than a verbal effort to get everyone to stand down before letting themselves get marched to the brig) will get wind of this coup and say "Eff it, where do I sign up?"
 
Especially as I highly doubt the Whites in Panama are fans of what Simmons advocates.
The Whites in Panama will be having second thoughts. They didn't have much hope of going home to the US anyway, and now what is left of their home is, for all intents and purposes, a military dictatorship.
I wonder how many POWs (including Naval Officers too serious about their oaths to Elected Government to go along with the Great Mutiny, but could not bring themselves to make more than a verbal effort to get everyone to stand down before letting themselves get marched to the brig) will get wind of this coup and say "Eff it, where do I sign up?"
Some will (although there's not really much for the Red Navy to do right now).
 
The Whites in Panama will be having second thoughts. They didn't have much hope of going home to the US anyway, and now what is left of their home is, for all intents and purposes, a military dictatorship.
This could actually be a chance for a mercy act on both part, if the Panama exiles manages to make an agreement with the Reds: the Reds will accept to respect them and some of their most basic properties, or allow them to leave in peace, in exchange for the remaining forces in Panama to help the GDC gain more recognizition, both inside their borders and outside with the other nations.

Because no matter how bad the Reds can be, the KKK is WORSE (and now they launched a coup, this is clearly against everything Washington and Jefferson held dear); and, by accepting of a small cooperation with the Reds, they can help stabilize them on a moderate path, thus avoiding any fear the most extremist fringers can bring...
 
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The Whites in Panama will be having second thoughts. They didn't have much hope of going home to the US anyway, and now what is left of their home is, for all intents and purposes, a military dictatorship.
I could see them make an agreement with the Panamanian government out of a "plague on both your houses" sentiment vis-a-vis the GDC and the KKK, on that note.
 
This could actually be a chance for a mercy act on both part, if the Panama exiles manages to make an agreement with the Reds: the Reds will accept to respect them and some of their most basic properties, or allow them to leave in peace, in exchange for the remaining forces in Panama to help the GDC gain more recognizition, both inside their borders and outside with the other nations.

Because no matter how bad the Reds can be, the KKK is WORSE (and now they launched a coup, this is clearly against everything Washington and Jefferson held dear); and, by accepting of a small cooperation with the Reds, they can help stabilize them on a moderate path, thus avoiding any fear the most extremist fringers can bring...
The thing is, this is actually a three-way negotiation between the GDC, the US Pacific Fleet (including the Army of Southern California), and the Republic of Panama. What the GDC wants more than anything here is control of the Canal.
I could see them make an agreement with the Panamanian government out of a "plague on both your houses" sentiment vis-a-vis the GDC and the KKK, on that note.
Possible. The question is, how many of them will be willing to stay permanently in Panama. The Panamanian government is also a little concerned about the situation. Of course, they'd LOVE to get control of the Canal and the American warships (they can just sell the big ones), but they're also aware that Caperton and his people could easily take over Panama if they wanted.

Here's one possible solution:
1. Sovereignty over the Canal goes to Panama, along with all of the tolls.
2. The Red Navy gets basing rights and free use of the Canal in exchange for an annual fee.
3. Panama falls under the American protective umbrella.
4. All US military personnel in Panama will be granted amnesty and be able return home.
5. Any US military personnel in Panama who wish to join the Red Army or Red Navy may do so, with their current rank preserved.
6. All US military assets in Panama, save the Canal defenses, will be transferred to the Republic of Panama.
 
I wonder if Kaspar K. Kupli (that's right, an American politicians in the 1920s with the initials KKK) will get elected to the US Senate from Oregon in 1924 ITTL if the Whites win the Second American Civil War?
 
I wonder if Kaspar K. Kupli (that's right, an American politicians in the 1920s with the initials KKK) will get elected to the US Senate from Oregon in 1924 ITTL if the Whites win the Second American Civil War?
Had the Whites won, entirely possible. As it was, Kupli was among the Oregonian troops that fled into California after the fall of Oregon. His unit sought refuge in the Klamath National Forest. While leading a hunting party, Kaspar K. Kupli was fatally mauled by a bear.
 
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