The Fire Never Dies: Labor's Star Ascendant

I think Puerto Rico would prefer being a sister republic in exchange for basing rights. In 1914 their popularly elected house of representatives unanimously voted for independence, which the US declared unconstitutional and in violation of the act that created their house. Likewise the house unanimous voted against the 1917 act which gave them US citizenship because they saw it only as a measure to allow the military to draft them into ww1. So i think they'd jump at any opportunity to become independent, even if it meant allowing bases and giving this socialism thing a try.
In that case, I think we are go on the Commune of Puerto Rico.
Hawaii is somewhat trickier. the natives and resident asian population didn't appreciate the white planter elite that turned it into a "Pineapple Republic" by and for themselves before begging to be annexed by the US, of which the US navy played its part. If the Red Navy came in, arrested the planters, and gave back the land and voting rights, they just might be inclined to stay, because the only other option is a continuation of the white planter's system (presumably under the aegis of Britain as a protectorate) or try making a go of it all on their lonesome.
To be clear, the choice that the new government is offering the Hawaiians is "Become a fully integrated part of the new America (I'm holding off on a name reveal) or become independent but we get to base our ships at Pearl Harbor and protect you". I'm also now considering having a British takeover instead, but I need to consider how that affects the timeline.
 
Snagged by Japan, most likely. There's no serious chance of the Red Navy getting out there.
Guess the question is whether the Japanese impose direct rule or installs a puppet/client Republic of the Philippines then. If they go with the latter, maybe Artemio Ricarte could be their puppet President as he never swore allegiance to the Americans and was in Japanese exile until returning to the Philippines with the invading Japanese IOTL?
 
Well, it wouldn't be that hard to reestablish one of the former sultans as a client ruler of the southern Philippines (the sulu Islands and the island of mindanao), and the central and northern islands could probably be held together in a republic puppeted by the Japanese, especially if they make sure to play the different ethnic groups off each other to ensure their own dominance.
 
Guess the question is whether the Japanese impose direct rule or installs a puppet/client Republic of the Philippines then. If they go with the latter, maybe Artemio Ricarte could be their puppet President as he never swore allegiance to the Americans and was in Japanese exile until returning to the Philippines with the invading Japanese IOTL?
He's perfect.
Well, it wouldn't be that hard to reestablish one of the former sultans as a client ruler of the southern Philippines (the sulu Islands and the island of mindanao), and the central and northern islands could probably be held together in a republic puppeted by the Japanese, especially if they make sure to play the different ethnic groups off each other to ensure their own dominance.
Maybe.
 
I'm also now considering having a British takeover instead, but I need to consider how that affects the timeline
With regards to that, I think Britain would approach taking US territories much more cautiously than, say, Japan. Largely because of canada which would be supremely vulnerable to invasion what with so much of the Canadian military overseas. There's also the british holdings in the Caribbean and central America that would suddenly be vulnerable as well.

Not that i don't think they wouldn't try at all of course, i just imagine it as them establishing protectorates of territories that have already declared their independence from America
 

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The dictatorships in central and south America will have a hard time after losing their primary backer, there is potential here to a completly red american continent. Although Brasil's, Argentina's and Chile's elites are power full enough to crush a communist revolution resulting in fascistic dictatorships.
 
With regards to that, I think Britain would approach taking US territories much more cautiously than, say, Japan. Largely because of canada which would be supremely vulnerable to invasion what with so much of the Canadian military overseas. There's also the british holdings in the Caribbean and central America that would suddenly be vulnerable as well.

Not that i don't think they wouldn't try at all of course, i just imagine it as them establishing protectorates of territories that have already declared their independence from America
The scenario that could see Hawaii under British rule would be the Hawaiian government declaring a restored Republic of Hawaii after the collapse of the White government, and the British moving in to protect it. Hawaii won't become an outright colony.

Incidentally, Canada is going to be in a very interesting position.
The dictatorships in central and south America will have a hard time after losing their primary backer, there is potential here to a completly red american continent. Although Brasil's, Argentina's and Chile's elites are power full enough to crush a communist revolution resulting in fascistic dictatorships.
I think that in a scenario with a Red America, a Red New World is somewhat inevitable. I don't have super-specific plans, except that Reds! already did a fascist Brazil, so I'll probably avoid that.
 
30. The 1916 Election (Part 1)
…It was clear from the outset that the 1916 election would be contentious. With war abroad and rising tensions at home, the peace of the Progressive era seemed a long way away…

…It was, of course, a foregone conclusion that Wilson would be running for a second term. Unlike the Republicans in 1912, there was no serious talk of a primary opponent. The Republicans themselves were still divided from 1912. However, the death of Roosevelt and the losses to the Democrats and Socialists quelled any serious thought of the Progressives mounting a separate bid. Former Senator Elihu Root of New York emerged as the favorite. Not only had he served in Roosevelt’s administration but supported Taft in 1912, his experience as Secretary of State and Secretary of War seemed like a solid background to challenge Wilson on foreign affairs. As a nod to the Progressives, Governor Hiram Johnson of California was nominated as his running mate[1]

…To the surprise of some, in June Eugene Debs mooted the possibility of not seeking the SLP nomination. This would be his fifth presidential campaign, after all. He suggested that he should instead run for governor of Illinois and put Emil Seidel (who was not up for reelection as governor of Wisconsin until 1918) as the SLP candidate[2]. However, Daniel DeLeon[3] persuaded him against this. Every time Debs had run, he had won a greater share of the vote than before, and now the SLP had a serious shot at winning the election. Debs agreed, and was nominated with no serious opposition. In order to reach out to moderate Americans, Senator Robert LaFollette was nominated as Debs’ running mate…

…The war in Europe was a major issue in the campaign. Both Debs and (ironically) Wilson ran on anti-war campaigns. Wilson’s slogan was “He Kept Us Out Of War”. Debs repeatedly attacked him on this, arguing that Wilson had effectively put the US onto the side of the Entente. Elihu Root, on the other hand, put his foot in his mouth when he told a New York Times reporter that “…it is inevitable that the United States will come to the aid of Britain and France should it be necessary.” This effectively painted him into a corner as the pro-war candidate, and destroyed any serious chance that the Republicans could unseat Wilson…

- From 1916: The Tinder Year by Barbara Tuchman

[1] IOTL, Supreme Court Justice Charles Evan Hughes was nominated, with former Vice President Charles W. Fairbanks as his running mate.

[2] IOTL, Debs did in fact decline to run in 1916, instead running for Congress from Indiana, while Allan L. Benson was the SPA nominee.

[3] IOTL, DeLeon died in 1914 at the age of 61. ITTL, the success of the SLP and IWW has had the side effect of greatly boosting the readership of the Daily Worker, which in turn means that DeLeon’s personal finances and living situation are improved, and he is still alive.
 
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[3] IOTL, DeLeon died in 1914 at the age of 61. ITTL, the success of the SLP and IWW has had the side effect of greatly boosting the readership of the Daily Worker, which in turn means that DeLeon’s personal finances and living situation are improved, and he is still alive.
So if DeLeon is still alive and kicking, does that mean Joe Hill is too?
 
31. The 1916 Election (Part 2)
…While few could have predicted what would follow, commentators at the time saw that the 1916 election was different. America was not as much of a stranger to political violence as it liked to believe, but it was much more widespread this time. In large part, this was because for the first time perhaps since the Civil War, the violence was not one way. KKK rallies were met with gangs of Sollies. Corporate security meant to intimidate workers found themselves in armed standoffs – and, increasingly, actual gunfights – with the Committees of Public Safety…

…Sadly, although the majority of violence by the IWW and SLP can be characterized as defensive in nature, not all of it was. In IWW strongholds like Milwaukee, Seattle, and Pittsburgh, posters warning of dire consequences for those who “betrayed the working class” by voting for Wilson or Root were common. Republican and Democratic campaign offices were regularly vandalized…

…The violence of 1916 has often been portrayed as the IWW versus the Ku Klux Klan. It is indeed true that the KKK was the most common instigator of violence (political violence being their raison d’etre), and the IWW provided a natural means of organizing against this. However, there were far more factions involved, and the sides were not always clear. Fearing a possible socialist takeover, mine and factory bosses tried to intimidate their employees into voting for their preferred candidates, or simply not voting at all. In numerous cases, sites which had been designated for voting were bought out by bosses (often under threat of violence) or even burned to the ground. Committees of Public Safety fought back where they could. In San Francisco, rumors that Asian immigrants had illegally registered to vote provoked race riots…

…This violence naturally prompted protective measures. All three major party conventions – the Republican convention in Boston[1], the Democratic convention in St. Louis, and the Socialist convention in Milwaukee[2] – had security provided by the National Guard. Most politicians and political candidates had bodyguards. Outside of the states and cities where the SLP was already in power and could mobilize police or the National Guard, the IWW provided socialist candidates with security. As these guards were generally only identifiable by their red armbands, they soon became known as the Red Guards…

- From 1916: The Tinder Year by Barbara Tuchman

[1] IOTL, the 1916 Republican Convention was held in Chicago (as were the 1904, 1908, 1912, and 1920 Republican Conventions). Concerns over rising socialist influence in the city lead the Republicans to move theirs to the relatively moderate Boston.

[2] IOTL, the SPA conducted their convention by mail. ITTL, the SLP does so in Milwaukee, under the protection of Governor Seidel.
 
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I wonder how the mafia/mob is getting involved in this? From what i can gather on Wikipedia, what was left of the new york Five Points gang under Paul Kelly/Vaccarelli joined the International Longshoremen's Association, who were rivals of the IWW IOTL.
 
I wonder how the mafia/mob is getting involved in this? From what i can gather on Wikipedia, what was left of the new york Five Points gang under Paul Kelly/Vaccarelli joined the International Longshoremen's Association, who were rivals of the IWW IOTL.
I wrote quite a bit in response to this, but I've decided that this issue deserves an entire post. In fact, it'll be the next post.
 
32. The Gang Wars
…The relationship between organized crime and organized labor in the United States was, to say the least, complicated. Both drew their strength from immigrants, and at times they cooperated. However, The AFL soon became notorious for its close ties with organized crime. By contrast, the IWW saw the mob as a parasite on the working class that would have to be eliminated[1], and that duty fell to the Committees of Public Safety…

… From the perspective of many businessmen, the Committees were little more than gangs themselves, operating their own version of a protection racket. Sure, they might be demanding better working conditions or higher pay, but the effect was the same. Either you paid up or you got beat up. The mob inevitably saw this as a threat to their own protection rackets. In March 1913, Louis “Louie the Lump” Pioggi, a hitman for the Five Points Gang in New York City, shot Leon Bronstein on orders from Paul Kelly. Bronstein’s injuries were thankfully light, but this triggered a wave of violence between gangsters and Sollies. Once Morris Hillquit was inaugurated as mayor, the NYPD effectively joined the fight on the side of the IWW. While his choice for police chief, a young lawyer named Samuel Orr[2], was fairly moderate, he also saw to it that Bronstein and several members of the CPS were deputized…

…Kelly and other mobsters consistently underestimated the CPS. The bosses might not see much difference, but the workers certainly did. This gave the CPS an excellent intelligence network and a reserve of manpower that dwarfed any gang. In April 1916, Kelly was arrested after one of his own gangsters, a young Al Capone, betrayed him and gave up the location of a safehouse to the CPS. What was left of the Five Points Gang relocated to Newark…

…The consistent anti-mob attitudes of the IWW helped win them a great deal of sympathy among moderate Americans in urban centers. The defeat of the Five Points Gang may have won Meyer London his gubernatorial election in 1916, while the experience of waging gang warfare would later be put to use in waging class warfare…

- From One Big Idea: The Industrial Workers of the World Before the Revolution by Condoleeza Rice

[1] These attitudes existed IOTL.

[2] IOTL, Orr was elected to the New York State Assembly for the SPA, and was suspended from his seat in 1920.
 
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…The relationship between organized crime and organized labor in the United States was, to say the least, complicated. Both drew their strength from immigrants, and at times they cooperated. However, The AFL soon became notorious for its close ties with organized crime. By contrast, the IWW saw the mob as a parasite on the working class that would have to be eliminated[1], and that duty fell to the Committees of Public Safety…

… From the perspective of many businessmen, the Committees were little more than gangs themselves, operating their own version of a protection racket. Sure, they might be demanding better working conditions or higher pay, but the effect was the same. Either you paid up or you got beat up. The mob inevitably saw this as a threat to their own protection rackets. In March 1913, Louis “Louie the Lump” Pioggi, a hitman for the Five Points Gang in New York City, shot Leon Bronstein on orders from Paul Kelly. Bronstein’s injuries were thankfully light, but this triggered a wave of violence between gangsters and Sollies. Once Morris Hillquit was inaugurated as mayor, the NYPD effectively joined the fight on the side of the IWW. While his choice for police chief, a young lawyer named Samuel Orr[2], was fairly moderate, he also saw to it that Bronstein and several members of the CPS were deputized…

…Kelly and other mobsters consistently underestimated the CPS. The bosses might not see much difference, but the workers certainly did. This gave the CPS an excellent intelligence network and a reserve of manpower that dwarfed any gang. In April 1916, Kelly was arrested after one of his own gangsters, a young Al Capone, betrayed him and gave up the location of a safehouse to the CPS. What was left of the Five Points Gang relocated to Newark…

…The consistent anti-mob attitudes of the IWW helped win them a great deal of sympathy among moderate Americans in urban centers. The defeat of the Five Points Gang may have won Meyer London his gubernatorial election in 1916, while the experience of waging gang warfare would later be put to use in waging class warfare…

[1] These attitudes existed IOTL.

[2] IOTL, Orr was elected to the New York State Assembly for the SPA, and was suspended from his seat in 1920.
Interesting to see the socialists nabbed the law and order vote.
 
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