The Federal Republic of America: sibling to a stillborn USA

Poor King George, at lerast he was able to do a lot of good by keeping New England in the Empire and Hastyings in India.

RIP General Cornwallis.

I take it Abercrmby is blamed for the existence of CAS.

Given the history between the two entities I imagine border wars will come in time. Luisiana seems particularly rip since the Americans gaining their OTL cut would block loyalist movement across the Missippi.

What of the Native nations in this peace?
 
Poor King George, at lerast he was able to do a lot of good by keeping New England in the Empire and Hastyings in India.

RIP General Cornwallis.

I take it Abercrmby is blamed for the existence of CAS.

Given the history between the two entities I imagine border wars will come in time. Luisiana seems particularly rip since the Americans gaining their OTL cut would block loyalist movement across the Missippi.

What of the Native nations in this peace?

1. Yah, Sir Abercromby is blamed for the failure to maintain British control over the South, especially because of his sympathies for the Americans. He is seen in British history under a similar light as Benedict Arnold is seen under in American history.

2. Indeed, sharing such a large border and the past that they share makes it almost a certainty.

Edited: Most of the nations that dwelled within the CAS had to move to the Ohio valley. The Seminoles remain in Florida under the protection of the British Crown as part of the deal that treaty. Any action against them will be taken as an ction against the British Crown.
 
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Edited: Most of the nations that dwelled within the CAS had to move to the Ohio valley. The Seminoles remain in Florida under the protection of the British Crown as part of the deal that treaty. Any action against them will be taken as an action against the British Crown.

Hmm, any chance of the Empire regaining Florida and establishing it as a native state under protectorate? As I recall from a study i did on the Seminole Wars against the USA the tribes were greatly composed of refugees from other tribes and fugitive slaves. Such a group would make fine allies, and the Geography ofFlorida might lend itself to a British invasion/liberation in the future.

What attitudes exist between the people in British NA and the CAS at the moment. Is it "get em next time, hostlity", "deluded fools, dispargement", or "best try and not have another war of fratricide, concilation."

I also am guessing the Empire will make a point of settling new colonists in the Northwest to prevent incursions by the Americans. Which will be complicated with allied Nations crossing the Ohio.
 
Hmm, any chance of the Empire regaining Florida and establishing it as a native state under protectorate? As I recall from a study i did on the Seminole Wars against the USA the tribes were greatly composed of refugees from other tribes and fugitive slaves. Such a group would make fine allies, and the Geography ofFlorida might lend itself to a British invasion/liberation in the future.

What attitudes exist between the people in British NA and the CAS at the moment. Is it "get em next time, hostlity", "deluded fools, dispargement", or "best try and not have another war of fratricide, concilation."

I also am guessing the Empire will make a point of settling new colonists in the Northwest to prevent incursions by the Americans. Which will be complicated with allied Nations crossing the Ohio.

A native protectorate is a possibility that I was contemplating.

Well many in the CAS look want all of BNA, but realistically British Pennsylvania, New Jersey, the Ohio Valley, and part of New York are what they want the most. Many of the Loyalists look at the Republicans the same way many looked at the French. Though there are still British idealists who look at the CAS with hope that it will build a strong republican society (they do look down upon the fact that the most well known of the Revolutionaries are all slave holders).
 
I wonder how this will affect industry in the South?

I recall someone saying that in a CSA victory New Orleans would develop differently as the New York of the South so to speak. So I wonder how cities and region will develop.

Whoch reminds me, I learned to my surprise, a while back that the Ohio River is considerd Kentucky waters OTL. What is the status of this key waterway ITTL as the border between two potentially hostile frontier societies?
 
Here is a map of the world after the Treaty. The CAS though not a French puppet is given that color because of its weak central government and its current reliance on France.


Also any and all comments, suggestions, and questions, are appreciated.

1800 FRA rivers.png
 
Hmm, hmm. Interesting.

Given the continued enemity to Britain and alliance with France we will likely see an 1812 parallel in conjubnction with the ?th Coalition.

My guess is that the first such war will be a failure with Florida going back to the Empire, and maybe some other border adjustments. This will be the final nail in the coffin for the CAS and lead to the coup/reform that gives us the Federal Republic.

EDIT: Will the Americans be building a new capital, or using a preexisting city? New York is out, and Philadelphia seems to close to the border despite precedent.
 
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My guess is that the first such war will be a failure with Florida going back to the Empire
I don't see this.
With the Brits, continuing the 63 Line and trying to prevent trans Appalacian Settlement. Whe would have a lot more settlement in Florida.
This will push a lot of the Northern Florida Indians and Free Blacks south, and allow the northern half to be solidly American Settlements/Frontier.
Attempts by Britain to retake the State would be meet by loyal American settlements.
 
Hmm, hmm. Interesting.

Given the continued enemity to Britain and alliance with France we will likely see an 1812 parallel in conjubnction with the ?th Coalition.

My guess is that the first such war will be a failure with Florida going back to the Empire, and maybe some other border adjustments. This will be the final nail in the coffin for the CAS and lead to the coup/reform that gives us the Federal Republic.

EDIT: Will the Americans be building a new capital, or using a preexisting city? New York is out, and Philadelphia seems to close to the border despite precedent.

If the CAS looses Florida, they would likely loose American Pennsylvania before that.

As for the capitol, right now they are using Annapolis, again, but a new capitol is definatly needed.
 
Quick question to anyone iterested in answering.

Would Frances,perceived, greater strength ITTL be enough to realistically get Prussia to join the forth, possibly even third coalition, rather than wating tell the fifth?
 
In my opinion the answer would be no. Rather, Prussia would be more likely to see France as a useful force to distract Austria in Germany/Poland.
 
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