The Federal Republic of America: sibling to a stillborn USA V 2.0
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Thirty-six years in power. That is quite impressuive for Jackson. A pity he will probably never make his Emperor status offical, oh well. At least it will demonstrate how Republican government is not the all answer to liberty.
I was hoping Tecumseh would do better ITTL.
Nice plausible way to bring about a military government. It may look republican, but I am guessing the military wil remain quite influential in how the legislature operates and who gets elected. A perfect backlash to Burr's attempts at oligarchy to establish a super Jacksonian Era.
Oh and two branches with the Chief Executive controlling the Judiciary. Nice touch, did not see that coming.
I was hoping Tecumseh would do better ITTL.
Nice plausible way to bring about a military government. It may look republican, but I am guessing the military wil remain quite influential in how the legislature operates and who gets elected. A perfect backlash to Burr's attempts at oligarchy to establish a super Jacksonian Era.
Oh and two branches with the Chief Executive controlling the Judiciary. Nice touch, did not see that coming.
Glen
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Nice timeline; do I sense some stylistic influences here and there?
The answer to the above is, "Why not both?" The British are likely to start by setting up a puppet, but over time if the puppet fails to perform to specifications, the British are likely to step in and make it a full-blown colony.
wolf_brother
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Didn't the Viceroyalty of New Granada/Gran Columbia include Panama? Why the difference from IOTL?
Cuāuhtemōc
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I suppose the Argentine is going to end up being a bilingual colony. Spanish and English? Right?
It did, but the Spanish were able to keep it by makining it part of the Viceroyalty of New Spain because of the circumstances of the independence of the Colony.
The British call their Pennsylvania simply Pennsylvania as do the Americans, but American Pennsylvania is about to have a name change.
If you go the the original thread you'll see that the stars were originally in a circle, but it just didn't look right with a nine star circle so changed that, as for the stripes I just loved the red, white, and blue stripe. Now that the CAS is no more though, the flag shall be changingHmmm, something familiar about that flag....
Nice timeline; do I sense some stylistic influences here and there?
Possibly, your timeline is one of my favorite TL and actually inspired me to do this one.
The answer to the above is, "Why not both?" The British are likely to start by setting up a puppet, but over time if the puppet fails to perform to specifications, the British are likely to step in and make it a full-blown colony.
That makes sense,
thanks for the advice.
right.
wolf_brother
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With a British-backed revolution taking place in OTL Gran Columbia, and strong British presence on the north border of Panama from British Honduras and in the south from British Guiana, how, and why, exactly does Spain hold on to this territory?
Now that you've got me thinking more about it, I'll edit that. There seems to be no reason for it.
This is a question directed to anyone who knows about Swedish history or anyone who think they can answer. Without the loss of Finland is it still probable that the Swedish revolution/coup would happen? Any help would be much appreciated.
Great timeline general, I am really loving the reboot, but I've been a fan of it since you started the first tl a while back. The F.R.A seems a very interesting country, with a very interesting constitution establishing a very powerful military. Also, how will the F.R.A be dealing with the western territories? I'd assume the same way as otl, but it could be quite different.
Great Work!
Scipio
Great Work!
Scipio
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Chapter 5: Run for your Children
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Part II: Early Imperialism
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The Great Eastern War
In 1806 while peace was Europe was being healed with the Congress of Vienna Russia entered another war. Starting out as another Russo-Turkish war the war would evolve into something greater as well as almost dragging Europe into another general war. Its end result would be the freedom of states long under the despotic thumb of the Ottoman Empire. The War would not develop into a broader conflict until June 1810, by which time Count Nikolay Mikhailovich Kamensky had successfully the Ottoman fortress at modern day Shumen. With the Ottomans facing defeat in the Balkans the French Emperor looked to make good on his vow to return to Egypt. Russia’s position in the war at the moment was one of strength. They had liberated much of the Ottomans vassals across the Danube and on their own likely would not have been able to push deeper into the Balkans in all likely hood them may not have even been able to maintain their position in Romania and it likely would have remained an Ottoman Vassal, but Napoleon I looked to Alexander I in alliance. Alexander I was a progressive minded man looking to the west for a greater more advanced Russia, and though not long ago he and Napoleon had been on opposing side he recognized that the Russia’s future lay in Europe and a Coalition with the French would not just allow him to fulfill his roles as the leader of the Orthodox crusade against the Ottoman Empire and as progressive social reformer that would modernize Russia. In September 1810 the Russo-Franco Coalition was formed. France, the naval wise a weak power, invaded Egypt in 1811, this second French invasion of met with staunch resistance from Muhammad Ali Pasha’s Egyptian forces. To the British this incursion by France looked familiarly like an attempt to march through the Middle East to India, this was unacceptable. The British began threatening war against France should they not pull out of the Ottoman Empire, Alexander I in turn made threatening postures directed towards Britain, not interested in losing the hard fought over gains that Russia had made in the Balkans. With Russia’s posturing came an apparent Austrian leaning towards Britain, not exactly wanting to have their border with Russia grow even larger. Should war break out the Prussians look not as though they would stay neutral stand with Austria and Britain in order to stave off Franco-Russian hegemony over Europe. It was in this climate that the Congress of Berlin is called in order to maintain the balance of power and stave off another great war between the Great Powers.
The Congress successfully stove off war amongst the Great Powers resulting in a in an independent Egypt, though not a French dominated one as Napoleon had hoped. Muhammad Ali Pasha, becoming Sultan of the independent Egypt. The Ottoman Sultan, Selim III, as forced to recognize this as well as the Russians gains in the Caucuses as well as the recognition of the of a sovereign Kingdom of Wallachia. Wallachia, a great portion of which the Russians had been planning on simply annexing, was to act as a buffer between Russia, Austria, and the Ottoman Empire in the Balkans. Roman Catholic and German Charles I did not jump at the offer of being made king of Wallachia, though it certainly increased the domain that he ruled over. Alexander I of Russia felt cheated by the German sitting on the Wallachian throne, wanting himself to have added it to his title or at least have had a Russian on the throne. In the end though the Congress prevented war it did little to relieve tensions that were already building up again.
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Coups and Colonialism
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In 1811 the Swedish King, Gustav IV Adolf, was removed from power in a military coup. With the Kingdom without a king the Swedish military elite looked for an outsider who would not provoke the Russians or the British. Prince Friedrich Wilhelm Ludwig of Prussia of the House of Hohenzollern was asked by the Swedes to take the crown of Sweden. Friedrich accepted and was crowned King of Sweden that same year. Friedrich’s crowning would be followed by an alliance of neutrality between the two states.
In 1812 War broke out once again between the Mysore Kingdom and the British. The Mysore lost in 1814, but would remain independent just as the Maratha Confederacy had. Warren Hastings had created a strategy of slowly absorbing the remaining Indian states into British India, rather than all at once, which would leave little time for blending of cultures that would be instrumental in maintaining British control over India and preventing English Nationalism from dispelling Indian culture like bitter fruit.
In 1810 Louis Bonaparte, King of the Netherlands, authorized a Dutch colony in what would become West-Australië as well as on the on the island of Tasmanië.
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OCC: Comments? Questions?
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Part II: Early Imperialism
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The Great Eastern War
In 1806 while peace was Europe was being healed with the Congress of Vienna Russia entered another war. Starting out as another Russo-Turkish war the war would evolve into something greater as well as almost dragging Europe into another general war. Its end result would be the freedom of states long under the despotic thumb of the Ottoman Empire. The War would not develop into a broader conflict until June 1810, by which time Count Nikolay Mikhailovich Kamensky had successfully the Ottoman fortress at modern day Shumen. With the Ottomans facing defeat in the Balkans the French Emperor looked to make good on his vow to return to Egypt. Russia’s position in the war at the moment was one of strength. They had liberated much of the Ottomans vassals across the Danube and on their own likely would not have been able to push deeper into the Balkans in all likely hood them may not have even been able to maintain their position in Romania and it likely would have remained an Ottoman Vassal, but Napoleon I looked to Alexander I in alliance. Alexander I was a progressive minded man looking to the west for a greater more advanced Russia, and though not long ago he and Napoleon had been on opposing side he recognized that the Russia’s future lay in Europe and a Coalition with the French would not just allow him to fulfill his roles as the leader of the Orthodox crusade against the Ottoman Empire and as progressive social reformer that would modernize Russia. In September 1810 the Russo-Franco Coalition was formed. France, the naval wise a weak power, invaded Egypt in 1811, this second French invasion of met with staunch resistance from Muhammad Ali Pasha’s Egyptian forces. To the British this incursion by France looked familiarly like an attempt to march through the Middle East to India, this was unacceptable. The British began threatening war against France should they not pull out of the Ottoman Empire, Alexander I in turn made threatening postures directed towards Britain, not interested in losing the hard fought over gains that Russia had made in the Balkans. With Russia’s posturing came an apparent Austrian leaning towards Britain, not exactly wanting to have their border with Russia grow even larger. Should war break out the Prussians look not as though they would stay neutral stand with Austria and Britain in order to stave off Franco-Russian hegemony over Europe. It was in this climate that the Congress of Berlin is called in order to maintain the balance of power and stave off another great war between the Great Powers.
The Congress successfully stove off war amongst the Great Powers resulting in a in an independent Egypt, though not a French dominated one as Napoleon had hoped. Muhammad Ali Pasha, becoming Sultan of the independent Egypt. The Ottoman Sultan, Selim III, as forced to recognize this as well as the Russians gains in the Caucuses as well as the recognition of the of a sovereign Kingdom of Wallachia. Wallachia, a great portion of which the Russians had been planning on simply annexing, was to act as a buffer between Russia, Austria, and the Ottoman Empire in the Balkans. Roman Catholic and German Charles I did not jump at the offer of being made king of Wallachia, though it certainly increased the domain that he ruled over. Alexander I of Russia felt cheated by the German sitting on the Wallachian throne, wanting himself to have added it to his title or at least have had a Russian on the throne. In the end though the Congress prevented war it did little to relieve tensions that were already building up again.
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Coups and Colonialism
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In 1811 the Swedish King, Gustav IV Adolf, was removed from power in a military coup. With the Kingdom without a king the Swedish military elite looked for an outsider who would not provoke the Russians or the British. Prince Friedrich Wilhelm Ludwig of Prussia of the House of Hohenzollern was asked by the Swedes to take the crown of Sweden. Friedrich accepted and was crowned King of Sweden that same year. Friedrich’s crowning would be followed by an alliance of neutrality between the two states.
In 1812 War broke out once again between the Mysore Kingdom and the British. The Mysore lost in 1814, but would remain independent just as the Maratha Confederacy had. Warren Hastings had created a strategy of slowly absorbing the remaining Indian states into British India, rather than all at once, which would leave little time for blending of cultures that would be instrumental in maintaining British control over India and preventing English Nationalism from dispelling Indian culture like bitter fruit.
In 1810 Louis Bonaparte, King of the Netherlands, authorized a Dutch colony in what would become West-Australië as well as on the on the island of Tasmanië.
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OCC: Comments? Questions?
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I am loving this timline and i honestly that the british empire will continue to expand in this timeline and stay together in the long run
Why was there a coup against Gustav IV Adolf? Granted that he was not the most competent sort, but still, it took badly losing a war that had resulted from his stubborn foreign policy stances to get to that point in OTL (specifically, the man absolutely hated Napoleon... come to think of it, him trying to do something about that may be a reason for the coup).
This is looking very interesting. Somehow I wish you'd switch basemaps, but that could be potentially problematic .
So what is Egypt currently? A joint protectorate?
.So what is Egypt currently? A joint protectorate?
Glen
Moderator
Got it!
De nada. You've been a valued commentator on DSA so consider it just some payback.
It's funny - for all that people whinge about it, there aren't actually a lot of legitimate Britwank timelines out there