The Fate of Louisiana After Napoleons Death

Ok, in Short I'm working on a TL where due to various factors, Napoleon is killed in 1807, causing the Fourth Coalition to defeat the French Empire, avoiding the Finnish War, Fifth Coalition and (possibly) the War of 1812. However the US still own the Louisiana Territory.

How would US-UK relations change? What would be the fate of the newly acquired Louisiana territory? All ideas are welcome.
 
Ok, in Short I'm working on a TL where due to various factors, Napoleon is killed in 1807, causing the Fourth Coalition to defeat the French Empire, avoiding the Finnish War, Fifth Coalition and (possibly) the War of 1812. However the US still own the Louisiana Territory.

How would US-UK relations change? What would be the fate of the newly acquired Louisiana territory? All ideas are welcome.

With the end of the Napoleonic Wars, much of the stress between the U.S. and Britain go away: impressment, the blockade of Europe.

Other issues remain: mainly British support of Indians in the Northwest.

There is also a festering conflict with Spain over the borders of Florida.

But it is unlikely that the U.S. will actually go to war against Britain. I don't know that the War Hawks thought that Britain's involvement in Europe would prevent Britain from acting with strength in North America, but it seems an obvious conclusion; and the reverse follows.

OTL, war with Tecumseh's federation began in 1811. ITTL, about the same, except that rather then Tecumseh's forces allying with British/Canadian invaders, they are driven into Canada and stay there.

(Hmm. What happened OTL to the Indians of Upper Canada?)

As regards Florida - Spain would be in much better shape with the war ending sooner. OTL the U.S. seized most of West Florida during the War of 1812 while Spain was powerless. That can't happen here, but the U.S, can still do it if it wants to; and East Florida too. Spain doesn't really care that much. It may take longer. If so, Alabama and Mississippi are probably admitted as states without their "panhandles".

That area, and OTL Florida west of the Apalachicola may become a separate state of West Florida.

As to Louisiana - pretty much as OTL.
 

TFSmith121

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The impact on the Iberian empires in the Americas

The impact on the Iberian empires in the Americas is presumably the largest potential change; absent the stresses of the final several years of the Napoleonic conflicts, both Spain and Portugal may make more of an effort to hold on to their Western Hemisphere territories, although time and distance will ultimately have the same impact they did historically.

Positing a French defeat in 1807-08 and something resembling the Congress of Vienna in 1808-09, the era of revolution in Latin America may not begin until the 'teens, which suggests it may be well into the 1820s before the Spanish finally call it quits. The impact on Brazil's independence, as a monarchy or otherwise, is also something that would likeey spin out differently.

That places the era of national consolidation among the newly independent Latin American republics (from Mexico to Argentina) farther along as well; perhaps a decade or more in some cases.

That presumably pushes the era of nationalism within Latin America farther along, meaning the equivalent of the wars of the Triple Alliance and the Pacific may come in the 1880s or later.

Mexico's history could also be different; depending on the pressures domestically in both Mexico and the United States, the confrontation between the two nations over control of Texas and ultimately the Southwest could come in the 1820s, rather than the 1830s-40s, which has some interesting knock-ons on the sectional crisis in the US (i.e., the conflict over slavery) and the period of national consolidation in Mexico, and the overarsching conflict between Mexican liberals and conservatives.

Lots of potential butterflies, and no obvious paths "forward."

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Something to keep in mind from what I've been told that the War of 1812 did a lot to solidify the early Canadian identity. With no half-assed American invasion that identity may take longer to come about or end up regionalized instead of a unified national identity down the road.
 

Asami

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Something to keep in mind from what I've been told that the War of 1812 did a lot to solidify the early Canadian identity. With no half-assed American invasion that identity may take longer to come about or end up regionalized instead of a unified national identity down the road.

You'd probably end up with three or four states. Newfoundland, Quebec, Canada and Columbia/Rupert's Land.
 

TFSmith121

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1837 rebellions - or something like them - would presumably still occur,

1837 rebellions - or something like them - would presumably still occur, given the economic control over Upper Canada and Lower Canada by the family "compacts" - that could lead to a involvement of a more populous and stronger US, which opens all sorts of additional possibilities.

The impact of the Napoleonic wars on the Western Hemisphere is immense, actually; the independence of every current American (north and south) republic, including Haiti, other than the US, Cuba, and those independent post-1945, ties directly to the Anglo-French (Franco-British) confrontation in the first two decades of the Nineteenth Century.

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1837 rebellions - or something like them - would presumably still occur, given the economic control over Upper Canada and Lower Canada by the family "compacts"...

Who cited the victory over the Americans as their founding myth. Without they are even more politically vulnerable.

1812 was indeed the crucible of Canadian nationality.
 
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