The fall of the Third Reich (1975 - 1990)

They were quite fond of the Scandinavians. Hitler didn't even take back the land lost to Denmark after WWI, though mainly due to it being Danish populated and (more importantly) he thought the borders of Denmark at that time would be excellent as a Reichsgau. But yes, it is true that he may keep them around with the Danish Royal family being symbolic and making sure meat and dairy products keep heading south, while the SS, Kreigsmarine, and Rosenberg run Norway as a gigantic set of docks that double as a breeding factory. They could get away with more over there away from German eyes, and the population was considered automatically acceptable as Aryan/Germanic/Nordic so long as they weren't Jewish.

What do you guys think the borders of France will be in this? and looking back at the firs roost I see Moscow was settled pretty quickly... perhaps the puppet countries of Western Europe are sending fifty thousand families a year to the Germans to settle in Eastern Europe, while Germans move to the parts of Western Europe vacated.
I reckon the Reich would gain Elsace-Lothringen and maybe longwy briey, as well as Luxembourg and a pro nazi government in France
 
The German regime did accept some forms Christianity (The Roman Catholic Church and the Lutheran Volkskirche) but within SS-circles and in the echelons of the NSDAP Nordic Paganism was normal after 1950. The Netherlands and Belgium were turned into puppet states after the war. Altough the Wehrmacht had bases near Rotterdam and Antwerpen.

I'm working on a quick tour of Western Europe.
 
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Western Europe - A timeline of events in Norway and Denmark

April 9th 1940:
Operation Weserübung. Denmark and Norway are invaded. The Danish government surrender after one day but Denmark keeps it's independence as a German Protectorate
April 15th 1940:
In Norway Vidkun Quisling commits a coup d'etat. The government and king of Norway are ousted.
June 10th 1940:
Norway is now complete in German hands. The Reichskommissariat Norwegen is formed, led by Josef Terboven. Vidkun Quisling becomes leader of a puppet government
April 24th 1941:
All Danish communists are arrested and sent to concentration camps
August 22nd 1941:
The Folketing passes the Communist Treason law. From this day on every Danish communist is commiting high treason.
April 3rd 1942:
Norway is turned in a satellite state. Vidkun Quisling becomes president and the Nasjonal Samling becomes the only legal political party.
April 4th 1942:
STAPO (Statspolitiet) and Hirden (A paramilitary organisation) are formed they are to form order and control on the Streets. On the same day most Norwegian jews are sent to Ostland to be "Interned" Since 1964 we know most jews were killed.
May 3rd 1942:
Danish PM Thorvald Stauning dies in office. Vilhelm Buhl becomes new PM.
September 26th 1942:
Telegram Crisis: Hitler sends a telegram to congratulate king Christian X with his 70th birthday. He replies with a telegram stating "Thank you very much". This enrages Hitler so much that he demands the resignation of Vilhelm Buhl. Erik Scavenius is appointed new PM.
March 23rd 1943:
Danish General Election. Altough many Danes voted for democratic parties, Dansk Samling and DNSAP are declared winners. From March 24th until April 29th massive strikes are held in Denmark.
April 30th 1943:
Denmark is occupied by Germany. The strikes are put doen with force and all jews who did not manage to flee to Sweden are sent to camps in Ostland. King Christian X flees to Sweden.
September 5th 1943:
Dansk Samling and DNSAP merge. The new name is Dansk Samling. On the same day Denmark becomes a satellite state led by Nils Svennigsen.
June 6th 1944:
Norway and Denmark lift the travelban for their citizens. From now on they can travel to other National Socialist states. Travelling to the neutral states and the UK (Like Sweden, Finland, Ireland and Switzerland) is only allowed after getting a permit from the government.
April 12th 1949:
Hitler visits Copenhagen and Oslo to commemorate his 60th birthday
May 29th 1949:
Germany, Denmark and Norway form in Copenhagen the Nordic Radio Union.
April 20th 1952:
Danmarks Radio commences with daily broadcasts. The first newscast (TV-Avisen) begins with a lengthy report on the Birthday Parades in Berlin and Germanica.
December 4th 1953:
Vidkun Quisling dies in Trondheim. Haakon Nilsson Ter Bergen becomes new president of Norway
July 28th 1955:
In Copenhagen the Copenhagen Pact is signed.
January 1st 1960:
Denmark allows the spread of certain Swedish books and magazines. Watching Swedish TV is allowed altough newscasts are jammed by the Danish State.






 
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Western Europe - Part II Belgium and the Netherlands a timeline

May 10th 1940:
Germany invades Belgium, Luxemburg, the Netherlands and France
May 14th 1940:
The German airforce bombards Rotterdam
May 15th 1940:
The Netherlands except voor the province of Zeeland capitulates
May 20th 1940:
The German airforce bombards Middelburg. The Dutch royal family escape to the UK
May 22nd 1940:
The Dutch army in Zeeland capitulates
May 23rd 1940:
Arthur Seyss-Inquart becomes leader of the Reichskommisariat der Niederlanden
May 27th 1940:
Oostende is bombed by the German Airforce
May 28th 1940:
King Leopold III asks for an armistice. Belgium has to hand over Eupen and Malmedy to Germany.
June 11th 1940:
VARA chairman Kees Vorrink announces that the pillarized Dutch broadcasters will be subjected to "Gleichschaltung"
June 15th 1940:
The "Nederlandsche Nationale Omroep" replaces "AVRO, KRO, NCRV, VARA and VPRO"
July 1st 1940:
As a gesture of good will to the Dutch, Hitler releases all Dutch prisoners of war. On the same day all Dutch get universal healthcare, Welfare and pensions are raised. The unemployed are no longer humilated by the State.
July 15th 1940:
Hitler releases all Belgian prisoners of war.
January 7th 1941:
In Friesland the Elfstedentocht is being held. Winner is Auke Adema.
January 12th 1941:
The Dutch and Flemish SS are recruiting. Much to the surprise of the Germans a lot of volunteers are joining up.
June 1st 1941:
The Dutch and Flemish SS are being deployed in Russia. They proof to be just as ruthless as their German counterparts.
July 1st 1941:
The Dutch and Belgians get a minimum wage, 14 days holiday. All political parties are forbidden except for the NSB in the Netherlands and VERDINASO and REX in Belgium. Thomas de Man becomes PM of Belgium which becomes the first satellite state.
July 17th 1941:
Victory Day becomes the National Holiday in Belgium and the Netherlands replacing Waterloo Day.
July 21st 1941:
All Dutch jews are rounded up and put into ghettos were they await their transport to Poland. The transports are so smooth that Himmler called it "A delight to the eye" (The 7,50 guilders a day did the trick for many Dutch train drivers)
September 1st 1941:
Start of the prosecution of Belgian Jews
June 1st 1942:
The Netherlands become a satellite state. Anton Mussert becomes president of the Dutch Republic. Real power lies by Meinoud Rost van Tonningen.
April 30th 1949:
Hitler visits Brussels and Amsterdam in occasion of his 60th birthday
September 4th 1951:
The Nederlandsche Nationale Omroep starts with daily television broadcasts.
April 20th 1952:
The NIR/INR starts with daily television broadcasts.
April 30th 1952:
Travel restrictions are released in the Netherlands and Belgium. Travelling to the Neutral Countries is allowed. Travels to the UK are only allowed with a permit.
February 1st 1953:
The biggest flood of the 20th century hits the South West of the Netherlands. 1850 people die in the floods. From all countries help is under way.
June 1st 1953:
Anton Mussert is deposed as president and Meinoud Rost van Tonningen becomes leader of the Netherlands.
July 28th 1955:
Both The Netherlands and Belgium sign the Copenhagen Pact
August 15th 1958:
Van Tonningen is killed in a car crash. Bas de Gaaij Voortman becomes PM. Joseph Luns becomes president.
October 6th 1958:
Natural gas is found in Groningen. Starting off an period of wealth and prosperity.
January 25th 1963:
The Beatles visit Amsterdam for their first concert in the German zone of influence. A sign of the liberalisation of the Netherlands.
November 1st 1963:
German visitors must obtain a permit before entering The Netherlands. According to Berlin the Dutch are too liberal. However the Netherlands are the port of entry of the luxury goods from the UK and the USA which the leaders in Berlin want. So no further measures are taken as long as the Dutch stay loyal.
 
I had a thought concerning Valhalla: It could be argued that he died in battle with enemies of the reich, even though his weapons were not physical. Of course, that doesn't really fit with the Norse mythology, but alternative facts were a big thing in Germany of the era...
 
So in the Summer of 1941 the Frank Family would have been put in the Ghetto and eventually put on the train to Treblinka or Sobibor in 1942? OTL Dutch Jews were sent to Sobibor. Anne Frank would never have had time to start her diary.
 
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I am wondering if in TTL the Dutch can keep (part) of their colonial empire?

Might be that Netherlands lost their American colonies. Probably UK and USA would capture them. They hardly would allow German control there. Dutch East Indies is another thing. It very much depends what will happen with Japan. If Imperial Japan is victorious, Indonesia is their then.
 
I am wondering if in TTL the Dutch can keep (part) of their colonial empire?

Even in a victorious Nazi timeline, it's hard to imagine them controlling the Dutch East Indies or any other Dutch colony via a Netherlands puppet state.

If Japan somehow wins its side of the war, they will take the Dutch East Indies.

If the Allies defeat Japan, then even a victorious Nazi Germany will have no way of being able to take the Dutch East Indies, or any of the Dutch possessions in the Americas for that matter, especially in a Nazi Cold War scenario where the US and UK are major naval powers and the Nazis have limited power projection beyond Europe.

But perhaps the OP should enlighten us himself.
 
Between 1941 and 1946 The Dutch lost control on Indonesia (The Dutch East Indies), Surinam and the Dutch Antilles. The Dutch East Indies were first occupied by Japan and after VJ Day in 1946 they became an independent state as the Kingdom of Indonesia. (Koninkrijk Indonesië/Kerajaan Indonesia) the crown was given to Queen Wilhelmina which ruled the country untill her death in 1962. Surinam and the Antilles became American territories. The French lost their colonies in South East Asia. Subsaharan Africa became independent between 1950 and 1970. The Germans did not care much for the, in their eyes, inferior blacks as long they provided what they needed they could be independent. Northern Africa was a different story. The French wanted to keep Algeria and the Germans were all too keen to allow this. The deserts in Africa had their use. A horrible use...
 
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