The Extra Girl: For the first heaven and the first earth were passed away.

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This is a family tree of the Wettins as of 1610, though I cheat a little by including Elizabeth of Scotland, who does not marry Christian until 1615. Marriages into other houses aren't included, in order to keep this even halfway manageable. Let me know if you really want family trees of other houses reflecting the new timeline. These include the Houses of Brandon, Wittelsbach, Welf, Hesse, Ascania, Kettler, Sidney and the separate branches of the Hohenzollerns ruling Brandenburg and Prussia. (In OTL, it's Maria Eleonora's marriage to duke Albrecht Friedrich that creates the dynastic situation that ultimately leads to the union of Brandenburg and Prussia.)

Lateral connections between husbands and wives with no downward progression are childless marriages, as of 1610. Let me know if I got anything wrong.

Finally, my apologies for it not being neater or more elegant, but it does convey the necessary information.

Oh, and don't worry, all this is going to get much simpler really soon.
 
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Stephen Bocskai and his hajdu warriors

The High Wire: A New Diplomatic History of Saxony, 1554-1612

"The Eastern Desk"

by Louise Charbonniere

During the tenure of the Elector Alexander, official correspondence was divided among three secretaries, for the most part by language. The German secretary handled all communication with the emperor, his officers, the imperial courts, the other princes of the empire, and the estates and towns of Saxony. By the end of Alexander's life, this secretary commanded three assistants due to the sheer amount of paper that crossed his desk. There was also an English secretary, the majority of whose work involved keeping the Brandon family alive, but his duties also included communications with the Nordic countries. The most famous of these was Ralph Sadler. Finally there was a French Secretary. Just as the English secretary dealt with matters involving Denmark and Sweden, the French secretary also handled correspondence involving Spain, Burgundy, and the Italian states. And that was it.

If the Elector Alexander for much of his reign earnestly wanted to forget the existence of anything at all east of Saxony, he could be forgiven. The catastrophe of 1575 was easily the worst humiliation of his 52 years as elector, and of all the critics over the years who heaped scorn on Alexander for his poor judgment in the matter of the Emperor Maximilian II's quest for the Polish throne, the first was himself. Also, for a long period afterwards, the necessity of dispatching the Johannines, stabilizing the country's finances and forging a new constitution for the state preoccupied Alexander's attention and made it necessary for him to avoid callow adventurism. And even when that was done, other, more immediate projects called out, for instance, securing the English throne for the Brandon cousins, and through them, restoring Saxony's stipend.

For these reasons, the elector had no real strategy with respect to the lands east of Saxony. In this, he was an historical exception among Saxon rulers. Certainly the Albertine dukes of the sixteenth century worked hard to cultivate dynastic relationships with the Jagiellonian kings of Poland, and Friedrich IV had funded Lutheran proselytization in Bohemia even when his treaty obligations with Ferdinand explicitly prohibited it, and at crucial points made use of diversionary attacks in Hungary against the Habsburgs.

But less because of Alexander's intentions towards the Protestants of eastern Europe than theirs towards him, they were constantly beating a path to his door. Reluctant to offer military aid, especially while Saxony was still at a disadvantage from the loss of its English subsidy, Alexander nonetheless understood early on that offering Wittenberg for use as a refuge and a school was a less risky way to support the new religion outside the Empire. Lutheran students had the Leucorea, Calvinists the Neue Franzoesische Schule for these purposes. And before the Dutch Revolt, there were few places outside Geneva itself where Calvinists could freely gather and organize educational institutions in the first place, making Calvinist Wittenberg particularly cosmopolitan.

With respect specifically to princes, there had actually been a long tradition in Saxony whereby future rulers from other realms were educated at the court. When Philip the Magnanimous had inherited Hesse as a minor and been subject to a bitter feud between his mother and the Hessian estates, Friedrich the Wise had stepped in, mediated, assumed responsibility for his education, and brought him to the Wettin court. Likewise, the duke Moritz of the Albertine Wettins actually had been raised with the Ernestine cousins with whom he would have such a complicated relationship.

In Alexander's time, the first of such princes to come to Wittenberg were Friedrich and Wilhelm, the sons of Gotthard Kettler, duke of Courland-Semigallia. Courland covered a vast area in the northern corner of the Commonwealth Poland-Lithuania along the Baltic Sea and the Daugava River. Gotthard Kettler, formerly the Grand Master of the Livonian Order, had converted to Lutheranism and taken Courland for himself as a hereditary duchy. He had also instituted serfdom and supported the introduction of shipbuilding and metal-working industries. So when Gotthard asked about having his sons raised at the court of Wittenberg, Alexander's thoughts had been about the useful consequences to Saxony's trade and strategic interests to have a powerful new northern ally.

Likewise, in 1587 Alexander's court took in the thirteen year old Duke of Teschen, Adam Wenceslaus, and Adam was raised alongside the sons and daughters of Alexander and Maria Eleonora. Teschen was a region in Silesia, part of the crown lands of Bohemia. His father, Wenceslaus III Adam, had converted to Lutheranism while maintaining strict political loyalty to the Habsburgs as kings of Bohemia. Alexander's and Wenceslaus III Adam's interests had thus aligned closely, and Alexander thought nothing of binding Saxony to an alliance with Teschen by marrying Amalia, the youngest daughter of Duke Johann Georg of Saxony and Elisabeth of the Palatinate, to Adam Wenceslaus.

Eventually, the sons of Gotthard Kettler inherited a divided duchy from their father, with Friedrich ruling the east (Semigallia) from Mitau and Wilhelm ruling the west (Courland) from Goldingen. Alexander was happy to provide both dukes with consorts, Anna and Christina, the last two unmarried daughters of the Saxon duke Johann Georg and Elisabeth of the Palatinate.* To a certain extent, aligning himself with the Kettlers was a dicier proposition than an alliance with Teschen in that, while Wenceslaus had always been careful in his relations with the Habsburgs, the Polish monarchy and the Kettlers had interests very much adverse to each other. However, given that Poland itself had not too long ago rejected a Habsburg king in its own succession war, it seemed unlikely that Alexander would get into trouble with Rudolf by meddling in Polish affairs himself.

Gradually, the accumulation of such relationships with points east, the increase of Saxon trade and commercial relationships due to the State Bank and other financial ventures, the emergence of new powers like Muscovy, the necessity of developing a more coherent foreign policy separate from the Habsburgs with respect to the Ottoman Empire, and finally the overwhelming burden on the German state secretary seemed to necessitate a fourth "eastern desk" at Alexander's court. (It was a measure of the distorted perceptions and priorities of the time that "east" here would be all-inclusive: all reports, communications, and transactions from Poland and Hungary all the way to China, Japan and India would be handled by the same person.

In 1594, Alexander found his candidate in Gerhart von Koellendorf, a student at the Leucorea of Transylvanian Saxon origin who exceled in languages but had shown little interest in theology or pastoral work. Importantly for the purpose, having grown up under Ottoman rule, von Koellendorf understood the political structure of the Ottoman Empire and the practical relationships that dominated it. Von Koellendorf was also spirited in his political support for Lutheranism, but willing to make common cause with Calvinists where that would create opportunity, which, Alexander thought, made him ideal.

One of the first initiatives von Koellendorf undertook was friendship with Stephen Bocskai. Bocskai was a Transylvanian Protestant who at the time was still in the service of the Habsburgs in their permanent entanglement in Hungary with the Ottomans. As von Koellendorf had explained the matter, Bocskai was both a Protestant and a loyal servant to the Catholic Bathories and Habsburgs, as was necessary for the defense of Christianity in the Ottoman-dominated lands of Hungary and Transylvania. So Alexander had little problem cultivating Bocskai by giving him gifts and indicating that insofar as it came to funding warlords to serve as a backstop to the Ottomans, he was much more glad to do so when they were his co-religionists.

He was then surprised when Bocskai assumed on that basis Saxony would be happy to provide assistance to his revolt against the Habsburgs, even if it meant propping up an Ottoman vassal state. The wink and the nod Bocskai had assumed were there when he had taken Alexander's money were not. Not only did Alexander not intend to use Bocskai's Transylvanian uprising as a proxy war against the Habsburgs, the whole matter terrified him. He well remembered the outrage from when he was a small boy, and France had made common cause with the Sublime Porte against the Emperor. Saxony siding with the Sultan against Rudolf and his generals in Hungary, no matter the reason, seemed to Alexander a certain route to the loss of Saxony's allies, the division of its public, and ultimately, the imperial ban itself.

In the short term, actually, Alexander's refusal to aid Bocskai against the Habsburgs actually kept him from damaging his relationships with the other Protestant rulers whose friendships he had been cultivating in the east. Bocskai had in fact fought against Adam Wenceslaus in his revolt, and almost overran Teschen. Though Bocskai had secured a short-term military victory in his revolt and signed a treaty with Rudolf, he was assassinated in 1606.

In the end, von Koellendorf had been able to play Bocskai's whole expectation of help off as an opportunistic misunderstanding by Bocskai, and he managed to avoid taking any responsbility for the gaffe. However, it soon became plain to most at court that von Koellendorf was pursuing a policy that if implemented would align Saxony with Bethlen and other Protestant leaders against the Habsburgs in Hungary. If that meant a strategic alignment between Saxony and the Ottomans similar to the one France had benefited from since the time of Francis I, so be it. And if that meant a backlash against Saxony among the community of princes in the Empire, so be it, too.

In his old age, Alexander was becoming more, rather than less, cautious, and the great game, first with respect to the English succession in 1603, and then with respect to the Juelich-Cleve-Berg-Mark-Ravensburg inheritance, seemed to take up his whole appetite for risk. Eventually though, von Koellendorf found someone with whom he could share his ideas: the Duchess Elisabeth of Denmark, mother to Alexander's heir, Christian. He avidly pursued, and then received, the appointment of being Christian's languages tutor. But once he was making regular trips to the heir's apartments, their conversations began to range far beyond Christian's poor translations of Caesar's Commentaries.

Von Koellendorf had in fact won the position by indicating to Alexander he would work to subtly restrain Christian's ambitious and imprudent impulses while reporting to Alexander on his grandson's plans for when he received the electoral dignity. Christian had in his adolescence terrified his grandfather by saying such things as that he wanted to free Rome from the idolaters while he was still a young enough man that he would then have time enough in his life to drive the Turks from Constantinople. The deliverance of Jerusalem itself, Christian had explained, he would generously leave for his son.

Of course von Koellendorf knew even then he would encourage the very attitudes Alexander most wanted to tamp down. By the death of Wilhelm the Rich in 1609, Christian, under von Koellendorf's influence, had resolved that no sooner than he had received the electoral dignity, he would begin funding the Transylvanian Protestants to create a quagmire for the Habsburgs in the east. This, Christian felt, would provide him a free hand to do as he liked in the Empire. And in the end, it was only the first regency of Eleonora that intervened to keep Christian and von Koellendorf from sponsoring a new war in Transylvania under the leadership of Gabriel Bethlen in 1610.

But the final crisis in the east of Alexander's reign came not where it was expected, in the Carpathians, but in Prussia. Earlier in the sixteenth century the Hohenzollern commander of the Teutonic Knights had, like Kettler did Courland, converted the order's territory into a hereditary duchy and instituted the Reformation. In the last great flourish of the Johannine dukes, Anna of Denmark had negotiated the marriage of her daughter to the Lutheran duke of Prussia, Albrecht Friedrich. Not long afterwards, Albrecht Friedrich had begun exhibiting signs of mental illness. The marriage turned out to be ferociously unhappy, but nonetheless duke and duchess made produced five children, of which two daughters survived to adulthood.

The first regency established in Prussia was to Albrecht Friedrich's cousin, Georg Friedrich, Margrave of Brandenburg-Ansbach. On his death, King Sigismund III Vasa of Poland named Joachim Friedrich, Elector of Brandenburg, regent. On his death in 1608, the regency would have passed to his son, Johann Sigismund. In fact, Johann Sigismund had meant to keep his conversion from Lutheranism to Calvinism secret until after he had been invested with the regency by the Polish king. But of course his wife, Eleonora, Alexander's daughter, had spoiled all this. So, casting about for a new regent, and knowing a Catholic would not be received well at all by the devoutly Lutheran Prussia, Sigismund III Vasa settled on Albrecht Friedrich's brother-in-law Hector, the youngest son of Duke Johann Wilhelm of the Johannines and Anna of Denmark.

Some of the last of the once-vast Johannine fortune, and some bribes from the Danish royal family had helped make this possible. When asked, Alexander had signaled his polite approval to the arrangement and sent his own gifts to the king of Poland to further matters along for Hector. Since the departure of the Johannine dukes following the assassination of William of Orange, there had been a noticeable softening of the elector's attitude to his cousins, and Hector especially was far too young to have taken part in the desperate feud of the 1570's. Moreover, as regent, with Albrecht Friedrich only having daughters and the succession laws of that duchy not allowing for inheritance through the female line, Hector was now also the heir-presumptive. After von Koellendorf's misstep with Bocskai, the coup of securing Prussia for Duke Hector went far towards restoring his reputation.

Thus finally, whenever Albrecht Friedrich eventually died, it seemed the Johannines would finally come to properly rule their own land, the Polish Duchy of Prussia, only ninety or so years after Johann the Steadfast and Elizabeth of England had first negotiated the first Duke Johann's marriage to Sybille of Cleves on the notion that he might come to rule Juelich-Cleves-Berg-Mark-Ravensberg on the event of the death of her brother.

*Because Elisabeth of the Palatinate, who had been a committed Calvinist following the footsteps of her father, and had been at one point considered by Alexander as a potential bride for himself, had provided him crucial intelligence at a pivotal point during the long feud with the Johannines, and died under mysterious circumstances not long after, he regarded finding honorable marriages for her daughters to be a moral obligation.
 
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Eventually though, von Koellendorf found someone with whom he could share his ideas: the Duchess Elisabeth of Denmark, mother to Alexander's heir, Christian. He avidly pursued, and then received, the appointment of being Christian's languages tutor. But once he was making regular trips to the heir's apartments, their conversations began to range far beyond Christian's poor translations of Caesar's Commentaries.

Von Koellendorf had in fact won the position by indicating to Alexander he would work to subtly restrain Christian's ambitious and imprudent impulses while reporting to Alexander on his grandson's plans for when he received the electoral dignity. Christian had in his adolescence terrified his grandfather by saying such things as that he wanted to free Rome from the idolaters while he was still a young enough man that he would then have time enough in his life to drive the Turks from Constantinople.
And so the inevitability of the first general war. Ouch.
 
Just a bit of sillyness. (Couldn't figure where Queensland, Marysland, and New Maehen are in north America - how fragmented is the east coast, anyway? But I suppose one or more of those might be on the west coast: there's got to be something fairly substantial in the California area to keep the RCR on the east side of the Colorado.)

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Okay, this loveliness warrants a fuller, more substantive response. We're just going to go in order of the key.

Former French colonies:
I don't know if I want to commit to a surviving Acadia yet. Which is weird, I know, because why wouldn't there be if there are French-speakers up and down the Mississippi? I will say there is a Philippiana that fits between Ill-in-wa and Louisiana that extends into some of the territory allocated Neupreussen here. There may have been some references to the historical St. Dominque. I don't know whether the present-day version has assumed the name Haiti or how it has fared. I do know that they're in a tight alliance with the RCR.

Scotland and its former colonies:
Scotland will stay Scotland, but the form of government may not stay kingdom.

We can fairly confidently take the name Nova Scotia a bit more literally. I don't know how much they're going to bite off from French North America, but at least Cape Breton Island seems like a safe bet.

England and its former colonies:
So far we've only mentioned Virginia, Fredericksland, Susquehanna and a few others, but we will also get Maryland (a Catholic refuge which is very different in several ways from OTL's Maryland). And several other colonies carved out of what starts off as Virginia.

Germany and its former colonies:
Reich translates as both empire and realm! :) Hence the name Frankreich. A detail impossible to realize on a world map of that size is that Poland actually does keep Danzig/Gdansk, and with it, a Baltic port. No such thing as West Prussia. Someone on the previous thread imagined that the borders of the present-day alt-Germany is basically the German boundaries of 1919-1938, plus Alsace/Elsass. And right now to my mind that's still more or less accurate.

Also, I love the detail that went into Australia's inland seas!

RCR:
We've talked about how much the RCR takes from the former Portuguese colonies, and what that border looks like. I don't really want to go too heavily into to it, not least because I don't quite know how that endgame will play out. Some of the military stuff involving the RCR seems a bit fanciful to me now.

The Russian Empire:
This one is interesting because I don't know quite how the General War of the Autocracy ends and what comes out of that. I do imagine that at the Russian Empire's apogee during the GWA, (the analogue of that terrifying map of Europe and North Africa in November 1942) you have Persia and Anatolia occupied, and a line in Europe that, while not exact, would seem oddly familiar to us middle-aged people who came of age during the Cold War. I am willing to say the alt-present has an independent kingdom of Poland, but beyond that, I'm not sure.

Junreisha:
I think I may have dropped my first reference to Junreisha in this thread a short while ago. I don't know quite how that's going to happen, especially since I think we've already gone past the date of its original founding as per the old timeline, but I'm willing to commit to Junreisha as occupying our California, more or less.
 
Is there a link to the original thread?
Intentionally not. I know I keep referring back to it, for the purposes of anyone still following along from those days, but the cringe factor with respect to much of that work is overwhelming at this point. If it's frustrating, I'll curb my references to the old thread.
 
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but we will also get Maryland (a Catholic refuge which is very different in several ways from OTL's Maryland). And several other colonies carved out of what starts off as Virginia.
OK, that gives us five named so far, plus "several others" carved off Virginia - so English America east of the Mississippi is divided up into seven or eight sovereign states? (Is Queensland a ninth?) Separate English colonies, sure, but why have none of them federated into larger states?

Perhaps it's just my irritation at TLs which keep handwaving a total disintegration of the US bleeding over into an inapplicable situation, but I am wondering at this point what is so different about the development of English colonial America from OTLs British America that makes it so prone to permanent fragmentation. Some of it is explainable as fated by geography (see, the New Netherlands), but if Fredricksland and Kennebec are both English colonies, their being different nation-states seems odd, and I'm iffy on Virginia breaking up into no less than four independent states with their own flags, national anthems, etc. The far greater success of the French in North America in this TL should if anything drive the English colonies closer together. (And of course there is also the RCR, but I'll give it a pass because perhaps it doesn't emerge as a great power until well after separate local identities have had time to become baked in). Are you planning something horrendously traumatizing? :evilsmile:


Reich translates as both empire and realm! :) Hence the name Frankreich.

Yeah, I was trying to make a funny. :(

A detail impossible to realize on a world map of that size is that Poland actually does keep Danzig/Gdansk, and with it, a Baltic port.


I was uncertain about that one: given Poland's Catholicism and OTL haplessness, I thought there was a decent chance Germany would have both opportunity and lack of remorse over establishing a land bridge between Pomerania and East Prussia. After all, there are still centuries to pass between the current date in the story and whatever time it is when Germans come to think that stealing bits of land from other people because it was convenient is something only people like the Russians and the RCR do. (SBOLFOPBIWC was after all US operating mode throughout the 19th century).

This one is interesting because I don't know quite how the General War of the Autocracy ends and what comes out of that.

It does appear that Russia is still an empire and a major power in "modern times" (nuclear rockets to Mars and such), so presumably it wasn't utterly crushed and occupied, but I'd imagine Germany and its allies would push it as far to the east as they could after getting such a scare. I decide to err on what might be the "Russia gets a serious beating" side and put the border fairly close to Great Russian ethnic borders, aside from the Ukraine.

Edit: but of course, the "future viginettes" are, in any case, retconable, for no quality AH writer is going to allow themselves to get tied down like that.
 
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OK, that gives us five named so far, plus "several others" carved off Virginia - so English America east of the Mississippi is divided up into seven or eight sovereign states? (Is Queensland a ninth?) Separate English colonies, sure, but why have none of them federated into larger states?

Perhaps it's just my irritation at TLs which keep handwaving a total disintegration of the US bleeding over into an inapplicable situation, but I am wondering at this point what is so different about the development of English colonial America from OTLs British America that makes it so prone to permanent fragmentation. Some of it is explainable as fated by geography (see, the New Netherlands), but if Fredricksland and Kennebec are both English colonies, their being different nation-states seems odd, and I'm iffy on Virginia breaking up into no less than four independent states with their own flags, national anthems, etc. The far greater success of the French in North America in this TL should if anything drive the English colonies closer together. (And of course there is also the RCR, but I'll give it a pass because perhaps it doesn't emerge as a great power until well after separate local identities have had time to become baked in). Are you planning something horrendously traumatizing? :evilsmile:




Yeah, I was trying to make a funny. :(




I was uncertain about that one: given Poland's Catholicism and OTL haplessness, I thought there was a decent chance Germany would have both opportunity and lack of remorse over establishing a land bridge between Pomerania and East Prussia. After all, there are still centuries to pass between the current date in the story and whatever time it is when Germans come to think that stealing bits of land from other people because it was convenient is something only people like the Russians and the RCR do. (SBOLFOPBIWC was after all US operating mode throughout the 19th century).



It does appear that Russia is still an empire and a major power in "modern times" (nuclear rockets to Mars and such), so presumably it wasn't utterly crushed and occupied, but I'd imagine Germany and its allies would push it as far to the east as they could after getting such a scare. I decide to err on what might be the "Russia gets a serious beating" side and put the border fairly close to Great Russian ethnic borders, aside from the Ukraine.

Edit: but of course, the "future viginettes" are, in any case, retconable, for no quality AH writer is going to allow themselves to get tied down like that.

Yes, Queensland is definitely one of the republics we're going to be seeing.

North America:

But the dissatisfying answer to much of this is that I haven't really thought through how the Litter interact among themselves, apart from a generalized principle of competition and the fact (alluded to in one of the podcast updates) that they're trying out a common currency.

We could end up with some mix of unions, failed unions, and illogical hatreds arising out of the narcissism of minor differences. I'm really not sure. Yes, Kennebec and Fredericksland are very similar. There may not be that much of a rationale for why each one is a separate entity. But the relationship in that region I've worked through the most is actually Fredericksland and Maryland, and they actually had, up to a certain point, a poisonous disdain for each other born out of religious differences. At first blush they may not look like they have all that much different about them, but the same applies to people living on opposite ends of certain streets in Belfast.

Some of this is very far in the timeline's future, but I think also some of it is asking whether our ideas of what constitute probable and improbable national communities necessarily rational, or whether it's more accidental, emotional and contingent than we want to admit. One thing I will say is that when we get the very serious large-scale free-for-all war in 19th century North America, a a certain point commonalities like language and the formative colonial relationships are out the window. Louisiana and Illinois would literally make common cause with anything else rather than each other. And there's going to be similar situations among the English colonies. Suddenly the economics and society of these new republics will trump all these other factors that have more to do with the past than the present.

Gdansk/Danzig:

Poland is going to be interesting, because even though Poland is one of those places where we'll be doing less, and doing it later, something that is going to be constant is that Germany's attitude towards Poland is "Hey buddy! Are we doing okay? Feeling strong? Feeling strong enough to hold off a few million tsarist soldiers if we needed you to while we take care of business elsewhere? Well, okay then." So it's not really altruism propelling that relationship so much as enlightened self-interest. They will want a robust Poland as a buffer state. It's not just that Germany is stronger earlier. Germany fears Russia earlier. And, in general, death from the east, earlier.

And that'll mean not really caring as much that a few million Germans are inside Poland. One thing that is interesting about the Partition of Poland in OTL's eighteenth century is that it occurs before German unification. It's in fact a vital stepping stone to it, because it's how Prussia adds territory, population and strategic depth enough to accomplish everything that it eventually will on the way to the Second Reich. But here the sequence occurs differently. The Germans are going to be mostly united under one roof so they're not going to go looking to have a conflict with Poland over those Germans who settled outside the borders of Pomerania and Silesia.

They will have bigger problems to contend with. OTL's Second Reich is formed after the Germans dispatch Napoleon II. TTL's New Realm is formed right before the Germans meet Louis XIV. God help them.

Russia:

The way I am imagining it now is that one of the difference between the General War of the Autocracy and OTL's WWII is that, though it ends with the use of nuclear weapons, more than one side has nuclear weapons and more than one side uses them. So everyone has serious questions to ask themselves about what they are and are not ready to do, and to suffer, from that point forward, and in the resulting final peace agreement, no one comes away happy. And as to how Russia gets that formidable? Well, there's several different reasons, but one is that with an earlier onset of the automobile age, it gets the sugar-rush of being a petro-state earlier on. And then it gets an additional bump because when its European rivals all lose their colonies, more or less at once.

And heh heh heh, I will say one of my favorite things about the site now is that I can edit and revise pretty much everything long after it's posted. YAY. Although I will also stay honest and announce it to y'all when I do.
 
Intentionally not. I know I keep referring back to it, for the purposes of anyone still following along from those days, but the cringe factor with respect to much of that work is overwhelming at this point. If it's frustrating, I'll curb my references to the old thread.
You underestimate my ah.com searching skills ;)
In any case after having found it I remembered having read it before. Also, no need to curb any references, I really do not think it's as cringe as you say or in any way frustrating for the reader.
 
For his part, Maximilian was concerned about the influx of soldiers from the German Protestant states into the Netherlands. He called on the diet to give him resources to stem what he called the abuses of these soldiers in foreign service as they traveled through Germany, and to require foreign princes recruiting soldiers in Germany to have his permission. This, of course, would starve the Protestant cause in the Netherlands of its supply of German soldiers.
But the Estates of the Netherlands were not "foreign". The Netherlands were part of the HRE until 1648.
 
Some of this is very far in the timeline's future, but I think also some of it is asking whether our ideas of what constitute probable and improbable national communities necessarily rational, or whether it's more accidental, emotional and contingent than we want to admit. One thing I will say is that when we get the very serious large-scale free-for-all war in 19th century North America, a a certain point commonalities like language and the formative colonial relationships are out the window.

So the English settler colonies (or some of them, at least) break away long before the General War of the Colonies?

There's also the whole rise of ethno-nationalism: does an earlier unfied Germany strengthen the notion of "all people of X language and culture should be together in one state", or weaken it? I got the impression you were thinking that Italy remains disunited. (La Serenissima is still around in 1829, at least).


Germany fears Russia earlier. And, in general, death from the east, earlier.

Hm. Revival of the French-Ottoman alliance?


The way I am imagining it now is that one of the difference between the General War of the Autocracy and OTL's WWII is that, though it ends with the use of nuclear weapons, more than one side has nuclear weapons and more than one side uses them

well, that seriously complicates things: are you imagining one or more powers having atomic bombs at the start of the war, or multiple states developing them over the course of the conflict?

Well, there's several different reasons, but one is that with an earlier onset of the automobile age, it gets the sugar-rush of being a petro-state earlier on.
An early industrializing Russia is going to effin' love its highways. Car culture (4 wheel drive) for sure.
 
Thereafter the very popularity of the recorded deliberations on imagebox led to the genre's gradual decline. As the more interesting earlier recorded deliberations were exhausted and deliberations began to be broadcast from the era in which people had become familiar with the programs, jurors became more conscious of their words and images' memorialization, to the point where self-aggrandizement and theatricality were becoming only too common.
Given that any such recording would not be shown for at least forty years, and probably never shown at all (out of thousands of cases each year, how many would be of sufficient interest?), this seems unlikely. Indeed, ISTM that only a handful of such recordings would ever be shown. The case would have to be so important that the public would be interested forty years later, and it would have to have proceeded in a dramatic fashion. Even with heavy editing, very few trials would make good viewing.
This then drove away viewers who had prized the candor and the absence of artifice revealed in the programs.
But that could not happen until at least forty years after the first such showings.
 
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Frontispiece to the First Edition of the King James Bible

"King Freddie's Bible" from The War of Authorities: God versus King in Seventeenth Century England

Marguerite Clemenceau

Frederick Brandon took the throne with a clear programme: ease the burden on religious non-conformists enough so that one half the country or the other was not trying to overthrow the state at any given time; win from the papacy some statement of his regime's legitimacy; and negotiate as soon as possible an advantageous peace treaty with Spain. With those items accomplished, the plan was, as far as Frederick Brandon was concerned, to hunt, feast, and beget offspring, at least some of which would be borne by his actual wife, until dead.

But matters that he had little taste for, and was ready to admit, little competency in, kept intruding. First and foremost of these was that of religion, not merely the matter of what observances the state should tolerate, under what circumstances, and imposing what penalties where necessary, but that of the actual rituals and beliefs of the church of which he was the more-than-nominal head. As far as Frederick knew, James VI of Scotland avidly enjoyed theological debate. And so at least when it came to the matter of charting the course of the Church of England, Frederick would have apparently been happy to just leave James to it.

In truth, Frederick had always imagined when things got to this point he would have Philip Sidney as a kind of co-ruler. In fact, in the long and secretive process of planning their rebellion Frederick had toyed at the idea of restoring and giving to Sidney the title Henry VIII had bestowed on Thomas Cromwell, that of vicegerent of spirituals. And though obviously Frederick could not employ the dowager countess of Pembroke in any official capacity when it came to the Church of England, nonetheless, as Frederick's first teacher and spiritual guide, Mary Sidney exerted great influence on the king in the way of religious policy, and everyone knew it.

In fact, this was one reason for the sudden preoccupation with all the sexual rumors about the countess and the king flying around the court in the early months of the reign. It was believed that if Mary Sidney could be shamed into withdrawing from court, or the king's hand forced to exile her back to Wilton House, the Sidneys' strongly puritanical agenda could be effectively frustrated. Ultimately, of course, the same end was accomplished when King Frederick and his new Duke of Northumberland fell out over peace with Spain, and the Sidneys' power to reshape the spiritual life of the country to fit their fancy abruptly ended.

So Frederick, less with an air of triumph than frustration, would be left to feel his own way in these matters. It is worth asking at this juncture, just what this king believed. Unlike many rulers of the time, Frederick had remained silent for the most part in his public statements about any controversial aspects of religion and religious doctrine, leading some critics like Henry Howard to go as far as to call Frederick an atheist. Frederick's private letters, both to Mary Sidney and others, disproves any such notion Instead, as ever, Frederick had profited in his long ascent to the throne from strategic ambiguity, positioning himself one way when among his core evangelical followers, like the Sidneys and Herberts, and another way entirely when addressing his Catholic Derby kin. And he could not do so half so effectively if one set of his positions or the other were set forth in print.

But in so far as we can be said to know what Frederick believed in 1603, it was in a church with less pomp and ritual, closer to the lives of ordinary people, and more focused on individuals' relationships with Christ. In particular, he made enough flippant remarks to his close familiars about "supposed body and blood", there is no doubt he was of the Calvinist opinion when it came to the physical presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

But with respect to say, church government, Frederick in private made just as plain that he believed in his bones that church government was best left out of the hands of ordinary believers. The reason he thought so was not because of any passage of scripture, and it was not to effectuate some biblically-informed ideal of Christianity. It was because he believed all religious belief, whether true or false, scripturally founded or impure, ran the risk of radicalism and rebellion and required a strong centralized authority, in the bishops and ultimately, in himself, to keep enthusiasm and zeal from tipping over into chaos.

While Calvinist in certain doctrines he may have been, he did not share Puritans' certainty that a humble, simple and democratic church would guard against error and corruption. Instead, he saw only too readily the threat of excess in this direction. Perhaps more importantly for Frederick however, he saw how the bishops were a vital tool in his running of the country, one he did not want to just hand away at the first opportunity.

Of course, it was not merely a matter of what Frederick wanted. The new king had come to power on a cresting wave of evangelical frustration with Elizabeth's Anglo-Catholicism. Many felt Henry VIII and Edward VI's reforms of the English Church were still only half-measures. And so, quite apart from what he had either intended or expected, the Frederician armies of 1603 had been filled out with Puritans who had needed only to be told they were fighting to keep Mary Queen of Scots' son from the throne of England. Leading a force composed of such men, no matter how careful one was about the actual promises he made, created inevitable expectations.

Many of these soldiers during the early stages of the War of the English Succession believed Frederick would grant only them and not the Catholics leniency as to their relationship to the Church of England, would abolish episcopal church government outright, and would institute a wholesale revision of doctrine in the English Church. The Elstree Letter had been only the first crushing disappointment they had suffered. It was followed, rather quickly, by a de facto bargain with the papacy itself, the elevation of the papist who had negotiated it to the dukedom of York, the extension of qualified religious toleration to the papists, and what was seen in Puritan circles as a dishonorable peace with Spain.

All this could still be so, but if King Frederick would effectuate the long-sought revolution in the English Church, the Puritans could still be satisfied.

But Frederick was above all else a pragmatist. The new king would not destabilize his reign virtually from the moment it began in order to write his own preferences into the fabric of doctrine and ritual of the Church of England. Probably even from before the Sidneys' departure, Frederick's plan had been to introduce fresh reforms into the Church of England only gradually, and only as the gradual attrition of the Anglo-Catholic leadership appointed by Elizabeth allowed Frederick to name his own men.

The most notorious of these had involved the Millenary Petition. Originally drafted by Puritan ministers to be delivered to James on his way from Scotland, it was revised and offered to Frederick in the heady days after he had taken London, with Elizabeth's dresses still hanging in their cabinets. Reading it, Frederick knew that a great number of the men who had fought and died for his cause had been enthusiasts for the reforms the petition advocated.

This sprawling document proposed everything from the end of the ceremony of confirmation, to a ban on baptisms by lay persons, to no more holding of multiple benefices by clergy. In the Church of England the Millenary Petition envisioned, there would be no more priests, and Sunday church services would be transformed. Had the petition been presented to James it would have had the air of a fanciful wish list, but in the hands of Frederick it was the earnest demands of loyal followers for the repayment of their commitment.

Much in the petition made Frederick uneasy, but he could not afford to repudiate it outright. The fact he didn't outraged the leadership of the Church of England, and contributed to Archbishop of Canterbury Whitgift's refusal to participate in the coronation, in which he was joined by Bishop of London Richard Bancroft, necessitating a delay in the ceremony until Archbishop of York Matthew Hutton could crown and anoint Frederick.

From the coronation fiasco on, Frederick knew he would have to wait to appoint new leadership in the Church to move forward with any of the substantial changes the supporters of reform wanted. Whitgift's mental acuity was already fading, with Bancroft and his chaplain filling an alarming number of his official responsibilities. But Frederick's surprise accession to the throne had made the fiery, stubborn Anglo-Catholic Whitgift less, not more, willing to leave. At the same time, Whitgift's adversarial relationship with the new king made any thought of replacing him on account of mere age or disability seem an act of tyrannical repression.

Mercifully, the stalemate ended in February 1604 with Whitgift's death. In choosing his successor, Frederick was less attracted to the brilliance of the candidates' erudition or their theological preferences. Instead, what mattered to him in his prospective archbishop was their personal relationship and the trust that went along with it. Thus he translated to the see of Canterbury Gervase Babington, bishop of Worcester, who had been chaplain to the Earl of Pembroke twenty years earlier, while the young earl of Lincoln had been skulking about Wilton House.

Once Babington was secure in Lambeth Palace, Frederick was able to seize the initiative. As a minimal gesture to the Calvinists, Frederick wanted to implement two of what he felt were the least noxious, and most reasonable, requests of the Millenary Petition: for priests of the Church of England to be the residents of their benefices, and for multiple benefices to no longer to be permitted. The days of the priesthood as a sinecure for younger sons of the aristocracy who could live where they liked and collect an income while showing scant regard for the spiritual wellbeing of their parishioners would be at an end.

For this very reason, the backlash was immediate and intense, not merely from the Church of England as expected, but from the highborn families which those younger sons came. Frederick's proposed Order Concerning Benefices could not have been more controversial with such people if it proposed the banning of Christianity outright. But it was this controversy that gave Frederick the opening he wanted to hold a National Council of the English Church, at Cambridge, in autumn 1604. Frederick had hoped at the time that by when the council met Philip Sidney, Duke of Northumberland, would be back from the Netherlands and ready to provide his assistance. Of course, instead Frederick would have to get by without the help of either Sidney.

Instead, Frederick obsessed over the structure of the council, which would involve all English bishops, the deans of the great houses of worship, and the presidents of Oxford and Cambridge. He would not be, as it were, a participant. Instead, the assembled archbishops, bishops, and deans would on the first day vote on various ideas for reforms of the church, half of them arising from the Millenary Petition, the other half proposed by the attendees. Each of the twenty would then be debated. The king would not take part in the debate. Though he could ask questions, none could be put to him, nor could he be addressed directly without prior leave. He would then decide which of the twenty proposals would be enacted.

On October 7, the participants convened. The king welcomed them warmly, and opened the proceedings with a soothing speech reminding everyone there they had a common faith and common purpose. Immediately though, events took a fractious turn when Richard Bancroft, bishop of London, broke the rules and appealed to the king directly to enact no changes to the structure of the Church of England. Frederick answered, furiously, "Was this Church of England founded by the hands of men, or not? Then can men change it, or not?" From that point on, the theological conservatives were on the back foot, as Frederick took Bancroft's disruption as a challenge to his personal authority.

Again and again, the Puritan forces, led by John Rainolds, president of Corpus Christi College, Oxford, won concessions from a king now ready to show his displeasure had consequences. Excommunication could no longer be for minor matters, but only "grave felonies and severe abuses of worship". Bishops would still have the power to impose the sentence, but it would be appealed to a committee appointed by the Archbishop of Canterbury. The king's proposals in the Order Concerning Benefices to dispense with nonresident clergy and multiple benefices was enacted, with only a figleaf of compromise, by which those currently enjoying these livings could continue to do so, on good behavior, until their death.

The Anglo-Catholics who had governed the Church under Elizabeth fielded their own competing proposals among the twenty that the king heard. Even the one they thought would do the best with a king who had repeatedly stated his interest in doctrinal uniformity in Church of England teachings, which required each priest in the Church of England to swear an oath to support the Thirty-nine Articles adopted in 1579, failed. Instead the mere oath to the supremacy of the king in religious matters, almost a cruel jest in current circumstances, was maintained.

It was not that Frederick opposed the notion of an oath to a shared body of doctrine outright, he just believed he would rather wait for that body to become more settled. In short, he did not want the notions propounded twenty-five years earlier by Elizabeth's Anglo-Catholic bishops to be used to exclude his allies. Rather, it would be much better to wait a bit until the doctrine reflected their beliefs, and then put the Anglo-Catholics on the hot seat.

But after a while, even the Puritans who had begun the Council so strongly began to outrun their momentum. Frederick would not assent to sterner rules governing the sabbath, or new ones forbidding lay baptism, which was frequently performed by women, usually midwives. (The king later admitted he could not bear to think any family might think a decision by him to be the reason their stillborn baby had been denied salvation.) He also would not end the forms of ritual respect the English Church required of its parishioners for the cross and the name of Christ.

Of course, the most momentous moment at the Cantabrigian Council was a blunder. Frederick, feeling confident, ventured into a back-and-forth with Rainold about the use of the Bible in English Churches, and how they should all be from the same translation. Rainold, having lured the king out from his nest of rules designed to avoid personal embarrassment, asked if the king had a translation he would prefer to be universal in English churches. "The standard," Frederick huffed, not knowing what he was talking about. And thus, because there was no standard or authorized version of the Bible in all English Churches, and all existing translations had their critics, a new one would have to be created.

By year's end the king had named 56 scholars to the project to freshly translate the Bible into English, the Old Testament being translated from the Hebrew and the New Testament from the Greek. Richard Bancroft, whom the old-guard Anglo-Catholics had hoped would lead the project, was overlooked entirely and had no role. In his place, Richard Vaughan, Bishop of Chester, and from 1606 Archbishop of York, led the effort. Some of the theologians appointed to translate the Bible were so radical that, even after the Religion Act of 1604, many had been living in the Netherlands and participating in English religious matters by means of letters and print for fear of the recusancy laws.

After initially refusing Frederick's offer, which was something of an olive branch to an old friend, the Duke of Northumberlad in early 1606 agreed to serve as a kind of rhetorician-in-chief for the project, suggesting final edits for aesthetic reasons, which the primary translating committees of professional theologians could accept or reject. Sidney's contributions to the project was less substantial than what it might otherwise have been, however, as he was already entering into his final illness, and died in 1611.

The Common Bible of the English Nation ( or CBEN, or the Common Book, as it later came to be called) would finally be committed to the royal printer, Robert Barker, in 1613.

But as to the Council of Cambridge, it finished its proceedings with two final measures, not included among the original proposals. First, Frederick authorized a program of church visitations, to be adminstered by his Archbishop of Canterbury, to determine the quality of religious instruction and the regularity of religious observance in the country and to point out individual churches and even dioceses which were not fulfilling their duties. (Without a doubt, this was intended by Frederick as a means of embarrassing church leadership critical of him, both punishing those who had previously made themselves unhelpful, like Bancroft, and threatening any who might become a problem for Frederick in the future.)

Second, taking a cue from the decennial councils that had begun meeting in Wittenberg since the sixteenth century to govern the Lutheran Church, Frederick announced that in 1614 all the holders of the offices of those who had convened in Cambridge in 1604 would meet in Oxford, to evaluate the effects of the reforms just enacted, consider fresh measures, and assess the state of English Christianity more generally.

Thus satisfied, Frederick ended the Council on October 13 with a short address. In it, he reviewed all the measures that had been adopted, reviewed those which had not yet been adopted but which might prove necessary in the future, such as a more doctrinally rigorous oath for English priests, and considered those ideas which he had rejected. Surprisingly to those who did not know his personal views, he included in the final category a presbyterian church government. However Frederick chose his phrasing deliberately: he would not replace the English episcopacy with something else "so long as it proved itself no barrier, to true religion or proper government." Going further, he continued, "in England the Church has no princes, but servants." In short, his support for episcopacy was not absolute but conditional, and the obvious condition demanded of the attendees were their compliance with his reforms and support for his reign more generally.

For his part, Frederick left the Cantabrigian Council certain that he had won a victory as crucial and sweeping as Cum magna misericordia or the winning of the pas for England. He had achieved concrete reforms in the English Church that would make it better able to fulfill its purpose, without giving into the zeal of the Puritans that he feared might descend into absolutism. Nor would it maintain an idea of the English Church as a mirror of the Roman, but just with an English Bible and a king at its head rather than a pope. As far as Frederick was concerned, he had steered a middle course between the extremes, and avoided measures which might impose too much change too fast, or alienated a large segment of English society.

For the conservatives who had run the English Church under Elizabeth, of Bancroft or Thomas Bilson's ilk, the Cantabrigian Council was a reckoning that, if unwelcome, at least let them know the rules in dealing with Frederick going forward, and promised that the king was not completely unsympathetic to their cause. In a very real sense, it was their low point in Frederick's reign, where it seemed like they might even occupy the position of dissidents similar to what the Puritans had under Elizabeth.

More surprising was the response of the Puritans. Frederick had won for them at Cambridge huge concessions: the residency requirement, the end of multiple benefices, the restrictions on excommunication, and most importantly, a new translation of the Bible with strong Calvinists performing and overseeing much of the work. But among the Puritans there was profound disappointment: the English Church was still run by bishops; the pomp of the old ceremonies and vestments remained; the sabbath, in their view, was still disrespected; and the 39 Articles imposed by Elizabeth's bishops in 1579 were still untouched.

Their deep disappointment with the outcome of 1603 was even now, furthered along by the king's policy of a qualified tolerance for the Roman Catholics and the abandonment of the Dutch for a peace with Spain, turning into a much stronger and more lasting disapproval of Frederick. What the new king did not yet understand was that their quest to build a church conforming to an idealized primitive Christianity in all its particulars would not admit the sort of delicate political compromise Frederick had brought about at Cambridge. The Common Bible of the English Nation would not win them, either. Nor would any of the other concessions Frederick would throw their way over the rest of his quarter-century reign.

Before long, the gamesmanship would begin in earnest. When in the first year of his reign King Henry of Scotland was asked by the French ambassador if he he might ever harbor hopes of succeeding (in both senses of the word) where his father failed, the young king answered that he hoped if the English succession ever came to a test of arms again, that he might have the support of all Englishmen "of the party of Godly church government" (meaning presbyterianism), in short, the same quarters of English society Frederick had leveraged to usurp Henry's father.

More alarming still, in many corners of Puritan England a religious presbyterianism was now becoming coextensive with a political republicanism, as the thinking of George Buchanan gained greater and greater traction with the public. This would make for a grave crisis in the House of Brandon once its charismatic and impetuous founder had left the stage.
 
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Obviously Anglo-Catholicism becomes so important that Clemenceau M in reviewing church and state in 1600 uses it naturally. The question is when are hundreds of years of form respecting episcopacy viewed as necessarily Anglo Catholic?
 
So the English settler colonies (or some of them, at least) break away long before the General War of the Colonies?

There's also the whole rise of ethno-nationalism: does an earlier unfied Germany strengthen the notion of "all people of X language and culture should be together in one state", or weaken it? I got the impression you were thinking that Italy remains disunited. (La Serenissima is still around in 1829, at least).




Hm. Revival of the French-Ottoman alliance?




well, that seriously complicates things: are you imagining one or more powers having atomic bombs at the start of the war, or multiple states developing them over the course of the conflict?


An early industrializing Russia is going to effin' love its highways. Car culture (4 wheel drive) for sure.

First, sorry for the long delay in my response. I promised myself I would right after I posted my little English church history update, and that took rather much longer than I expected.

Yes. General War of the Colonies is going to involve more Asia and Africa. Think the empires that existed at the apogee of OTL imperialism, circa 1900.

With respect to ethnically centered nation-states in central Europe, yes. Of course that's going to have a lot to do with certain multi-national empires in Central Europe not being a thing. But we're still going to see in various regions large multi-ethnic states. In fact, I realized only rather recently that there will probably be far fewer nation-states in the alt-present than we have OTL.

There are certain rhythms to French and Ottoman war-making at a certain point, yes. But actually the death from the east remark is about something very different. In any case, we'll get there soon enough. Maybe 2026 or so.

Nothing canon yet, since this is so far off, but presently I'm thinking development over the course of the war.

Actually, I was thinking because of the public infrastructure that would be needed, the distances involved, and the class structure, what you would actually have is that among property-owning Tsarist Russians past a certain point, small chauffeured aircraft would be the thing. The unwieldiness of the things when it comes to city centers, public amenities and other transportation hubs would actually be part of the point. The people who would own these would just hop back and forth among each other's estates, with little need to go anywhere else. Ground transportation? They're not servants.
 
Given that any such recording would not be shown for at least forty years, and probably never shown at all (out of thousands of cases each year, how many would be of sufficient interest?), this seems unlikely. Indeed, ISTM that only a handful of such recordings would ever be shown. The case would have to be so important that the public would be interested forty years later, and it would have to have proceeded in a dramatic fashion. Even with heavy editing, very few trials would make good viewing.

But that could not happen until at least forty years after the first such showings.

Heh heh. I think fewer things fit our expectations of what's reasonable than another culture's taste in reality programming. It's very possible the Germans of the alt-present would jail or fine the producers of the The Surreal Life, Big Brother, or The Bachelor.

As to the forty years, yep. That was intentional. They've had those shows for a very long time.
 
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