The Exact Ramifications of a 1480 Ottoman Italy POD

Obviously not crowning him as a Sultan (that would be ridiculus :D), but affirming his authority on the millet of the catholics by mean of the caesar title.
After all, the Costantinople ortodox patriarch DID bless the sultan fleet when it left the city

You're right about the title, the problem was that no one in the west took it seriously, since the last Byzantine they saw was a Basileus, nobody understood a word of he was sying (since he was talking greek), and it was a lot of time ago.
On the other hand, in the last 600 years more-or-less all europe recognized that the one blessed by the Rome bishop was to have the Caesar title

Oh I see.... :)

Recognition of Ottoman Sultans as Caesar by the Pope will most certainly happen, it seems(I mean, the Pope will be the subordinate of Sultan and all....)
Of course, HRE won't gonna like that. ;) IIRC, IOTL it was agreed between HRE and Ottoman Empire to recognize each as Western and Eastern Roman Empires respectively (little known fact, and it's not like the Europeans liked it...). But ITTL I don't think such compromise will be possible with Ottomans having both Romes in their laps.....
 
(it's Islam, conquering Roman Empire !! Goddamn it!!!).
It depends.
Strictly speaking, with the fall of costatinople it had conquered it already.
On the other hand, if you accept the translatio imperii concept, it would have to conquer the old Frank-ish Reich to do so (Charlemagne's Reich): basically France and western germany
 
A bit of work could be made on the common roots of the two religions (IIRC there were several etherodox islamic sects influenced by orthodox christianity in OTL), but it would be a big problem.
Expecially since these provinces would be quite rich (bank system emerging in italians cities in the period), and in OTL were unruly subjects even for the catholic emperor

Think of a Protestant english king with Ireland the size of Australia.

And Pope didn't crown Protestant English Kings.
 
Oh I see.... :)

Recognition of Ottoman Sultans as Caesar by the Pope will most certainly happen, it seems(I mean, the Pope will be the subordinate of Sultan and all....)
Of course, HRE won't gonna like that. ;) IIRC, IOTL it was agreed between HRE and Ottoman Empire to recognize each as Western and Eastern Roman Empires respectively (little known fact, and it's not like the Europeans liked it...). But ITTL I don't think such compromise will be possible with Ottomans having both Romes in their laps.....

They would have to consider themselves the successor state of both Roman Empires yet with an Islamic twist. :cool:
 

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Well, one big difference is that when Granada goes under (which I think is unavoidable), Ottoman Italy is going to have a sudden massive influx of Muslims and Jews being expelled from newly united Spain, and possibly a similar one from Portugal. You're also likely to be getting refugees from Morocco and possibly Algiers at some point; the Spanish resources that were expended on the Italian Wars IOTL are probably going to be used in North Africa first, with the idea of securing their southern flank before launching the Italian Reconquista.

The Ottomans are going to end up bringing Tunis into their sphere even earlier than IOTL, as that would let them finish the job of securing the Eastern Med against Spanish, French or Genoan incursions. Eastern Algiers, like Sardinia and possibly Corsica, is going to be a major battlefield any time the Spaniards and Ottomans clash.

Also, many of the leading figures of the Italian Renaissance are going to be lending their talents to the Ottomans, because the Ottomans are going to have the money to pay for artistic extravagance. Of course, this also depends on how many of them are so unwilling to work for a non-Christian that they refuse Ottoman offers of patronage; I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "surprisingly few". Da Vinci in particular is going to be sought after by the Ottomans, as his skills would be of practical use as well. The biggest difference is that, while Rome is going to see at least some effort put into its rebuilding (the Ottoman perception of themselves as the rightful heirs to the Empire would demand no less), much of the talent that IOTL was used on the Vatican would ITTL be directed towards Konstantiniyye instead.

And the idea of a de Medici vizier at some point fills me with almost unholy glee. Machiavelli is going to have plenty to write about as well, as Tuscany is likely to be right on the border between Ottoman Italy and French Italy.
 
It depends.
Strictly speaking, with the fall of costatinople it had conquered it already.
On the other hand, if you accept the translatio imperii concept, it would have to conquer the old Frank-ish Reich to do so (Charlemagne's Reich): basically France and western germany

It's not that stretched up to assume Mehmed II was aware of the territories of the Roman Empire in the Classical Age, but Ottomans will eventually find out that they have to be satisfied with just most of Justinian's Empire.....
 
You're right, but they still have the defensor fidei label written on the crown.
And that was awarded by Pope Leo X to Edward VIII :)eek: no less! :eek:) before the latter begun wife-swapping :D

Not sure where are going to with this...

As for increasing the understanding between both religions, I think it can proceed on the intellectual field.
 
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