The End Of an Age
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317
Maxentius seeks peace with the Visigoths, regaining Epirus and Achaea, but losing Thessaly and Macedonia to the Goths.
The Kushanshah city of Taxila is sacked by Gupta forces, bringing an end to the Kushanshah state. This marks the beginning of the Gupta Empire
Arius begins preaching his views on the Trinity.
King Mirian II of Caucasian Iberia declares Christianity the state religion.
318
Choresm moves into Kushanshah territory not occupied by the Guptas, including most of Bactria and Ariana
Domitius Alexander dies. His son Alexander Herrinius becomes Caesar of Africa.
Maxentius makes peace with the Vandals, who gain all of the land between Sirmium and the Danube. The Scirii move into Transdanubia Vandal territory.
The Ostrogoths begin raiding Asia.
Witth the Sarmatians moving into Dacia, the Alans begin moving into Sarmatia.
319
Armenia begins to vassalize the Caucasian kingdoms.
Alexander Herrinius converts to Palmyrene Christianity.
Valerius builds an army and invades Ostrogothia, retaking coastal Thrace. He burns the city of Byzantium in the process.
By this point, the majority of Visigoths are Marcionites, and missionaries begin to spread amongst the Ostrogoths.
Chandragupta I becomes king of the Gupta.
Christianity is introduced to Colchis.
320
Choresm invades Persia, weakened by Arab raids and two succesive regencies.
The Lakhmids are mostly Palmyrene Christian by this point.
Caesar Valerius rebuilds Byzantium as Valeriopolis. He begins to show leanings to Manicheanism.
The Franks reinvade Gaul, and are defeated by Victorianus III.
Around this time, the first reports of an Asiatic people called the Huns appear.
321
Arius is condemned by the Church for his teachings and exiled to Persia.
Choresm destroys the main Persian army near Pasagardae.
December 21st is put forth as the date for Christmas.
Maxentius seeks peace with the Visigoths, regaining Epirus and Achaea, but losing Thessaly and Macedonia to the Goths.
The Kushanshah city of Taxila is sacked by Gupta forces, bringing an end to the Kushanshah state. This marks the beginning of the Gupta Empire
Arius begins preaching his views on the Trinity.
King Mirian II of Caucasian Iberia declares Christianity the state religion.
318
Choresm moves into Kushanshah territory not occupied by the Guptas, including most of Bactria and Ariana
Domitius Alexander dies. His son Alexander Herrinius becomes Caesar of Africa.
Maxentius makes peace with the Vandals, who gain all of the land between Sirmium and the Danube. The Scirii move into Transdanubia Vandal territory.
The Ostrogoths begin raiding Asia.
Witth the Sarmatians moving into Dacia, the Alans begin moving into Sarmatia.
319
Armenia begins to vassalize the Caucasian kingdoms.
Alexander Herrinius converts to Palmyrene Christianity.
Valerius builds an army and invades Ostrogothia, retaking coastal Thrace. He burns the city of Byzantium in the process.
By this point, the majority of Visigoths are Marcionites, and missionaries begin to spread amongst the Ostrogoths.
Chandragupta I becomes king of the Gupta.
Christianity is introduced to Colchis.
320
Choresm invades Persia, weakened by Arab raids and two succesive regencies.
The Lakhmids are mostly Palmyrene Christian by this point.
Caesar Valerius rebuilds Byzantium as Valeriopolis. He begins to show leanings to Manicheanism.
The Franks reinvade Gaul, and are defeated by Victorianus III.
Around this time, the first reports of an Asiatic people called the Huns appear.
321
Arius is condemned by the Church for his teachings and exiled to Persia.
Choresm destroys the main Persian army near Pasagardae.
December 21st is put forth as the date for Christmas.
322
Afrigid forces under King Bagra take Persepolis. End of the Sassanid dynasty and beginning of the Afrigid dynasty.
Arius begins spreading his teachings amongst the Persians.
Mithraism ceases to be viewed as a seperate religion, having been subsumed into the Sol Invictine church.
323
The Vandals begin raiding Italy. Andronicus moves his capital to Mediolanum to better deal with this threat.
Rugians begin invading Gaul, but Victorianus III dives them back over the Rhine.
The Sarmatians cross the Danube and take most of Old Iazygia from the Illyrians.
324
Maxentius dies in battle against the Sarmatians. His friend Licianius becomes Caesar of Illyria.
Odenaethus II begins construction of the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem.
325
The Vandals and Goths since oppurtunity and invade Illyria. Combined, the Sarmatians, Goths, and Vandals overwhelm and destroy the Illyrian empire, then return to their regions. Greece pledges itself to Asia for protection, while Illyria proper becomes de facto part of Italy.
326
Odenaethus II passes laws humanizing prisons and forbidiing the prostitution of maid servants.
Christianity is introduced to Kartli.
Victorianus III Germanicus dies and is succeded by his son Lucianus I.
Legend states that the True Cross was rediscovered on this date.
327
Lucianus I passes laws tying rural slaves to their home provinces, to deal with labor shortages.
Christianity is adopted as the state religion of Kartli.
Afrigid forces under King Bagra take Persepolis. End of the Sassanid dynasty and beginning of the Afrigid dynasty.
Arius begins spreading his teachings amongst the Persians.
Mithraism ceases to be viewed as a seperate religion, having been subsumed into the Sol Invictine church.
323
The Vandals begin raiding Italy. Andronicus moves his capital to Mediolanum to better deal with this threat.
Rugians begin invading Gaul, but Victorianus III dives them back over the Rhine.
The Sarmatians cross the Danube and take most of Old Iazygia from the Illyrians.
324
Maxentius dies in battle against the Sarmatians. His friend Licianius becomes Caesar of Illyria.
Odenaethus II begins construction of the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem.
325
The Vandals and Goths since oppurtunity and invade Illyria. Combined, the Sarmatians, Goths, and Vandals overwhelm and destroy the Illyrian empire, then return to their regions. Greece pledges itself to Asia for protection, while Illyria proper becomes de facto part of Italy.
326
Odenaethus II passes laws humanizing prisons and forbidiing the prostitution of maid servants.
Christianity is introduced to Kartli.
Victorianus III Germanicus dies and is succeded by his son Lucianus I.
Legend states that the True Cross was rediscovered on this date.
327
Lucianus I passes laws tying rural slaves to their home provinces, to deal with labor shortages.
Christianity is adopted as the state religion of Kartli.
This has been my first look at this timeline, so I will restrict my comments to this latest section.
Its quite interesting that you have had the Sassanians collapse in the early 4th century. What was your rationale for this? Will you have the Palmyrene Empire seize some of its western satrapies while Ctesiphon is busy in the East?
Secondly, its also interesting that you have had the cult of Sol Invictus become officially established as the religion of the Western Empire. Has the traditional pantheon been suppressed, or does the cult co-exist with it, as seems more probable?
Its quite interesting that you have had the Sassanians collapse in the early 4th century. What was your rationale for this? Will you have the Palmyrene Empire seize some of its western satrapies while Ctesiphon is busy in the East?
Secondly, its also interesting that you have had the cult of Sol Invictus become officially established as the religion of the Western Empire. Has the traditional pantheon been suppressed, or does the cult co-exist with it, as seems more probable?
Firstly, the Sassanids' collapse was due to a number factors, any one of which by themselves probably wouldn't have harmed the Empire, but which together proved too much - Narseh's attempted coup, the Lakhmid conquest of Mesopotamia, Bahram III's attempt to bring the Arab tribes to heel, the destruction of the Kushanshahs. That said, the Sassanids aren't completely gone. Bagra sees the advantage of having Bahram IV as an easily ruled puppet, so he installed the boy-shah as ruler of a territory roughly corresponding to Media Atropatene (which is what I'll call it if no one suggests a more realistic name). Bagra keeps Bahram flooded with concubines, wild animals, minstrels, and any other form of leisure he wants. It's possible the Sassanids could use Atropatene to rebuild their empire if the Afrigids prove unlucky, but it's unlikely to happen within Bahram's lifetime.
Secondly, the Sol Invictines have largely adopted dieties which were popular in the western part of the empire - Mars, Mithras, Isis, some of the Celtic gods, etc. The old Capitoline faith had largely stagnated by the time of the POD. It still exists, but has largely been sidelined by the newer religions in the former empire.
What's the current political, cultural and religious situation of Dacia, Britain and near the Rhine and Danube?
Britain is ruled by Romanized British noblemen, the ancestors of OTL's Romano-Briton kings. Thus far, there have been little changes from OTL. The Romano-Britons stil live semi-independently of the continent, and Christians live easier here than in Europe. The Sol Invictine faith is light in Britain, with the primary religion being a Capitoline-Druidic syncretic faith.
As for the Rhine, it is a highly militarized zone meant to defend Gaul from tribes like the Rugii and Burgundii. Dacia and the Danube have longsince been surrendered to the German tibes (and, TTL, there is no differentiation between "German" and "Germanic". Make of that what you will).
328
Andronicus dies, and is succeded as princeps by his son Piavonius.
Skirmishing breaks out between Afrigid Persia and Bilad Al-Rafidayn.
329
After uneventful skirmishes, Shahanshah Bagra I and the new Lakhmid king, Aus ibn Qallam, ratify a treaty delienating the border between Bilad Al-Rafidayn and Persia.
Christian missionaries begin preaching in Ireland.
Odenaethus II, in order to shore up Palmyrene strength against attack from the East, begins negotiating with the Ghassanids.
330
The Bible is first translated into the Gothic language by Guthliufs [Generally not believed to be his real name, as "Guthliufs" simply means "God's Love" in Gothic].
Ezana, king of Axum, extends his control over the Ogaden.
331
Gregory the Illuminator withdraws from the world.
Alexander Herrinus passes a law against divorce.
Valerius converts to Manicheanism.
332
Piavonius defeats the Visigoths at Pella.
The Visigoths become Italian feodorati - in other words, vassals.
Andronicus dies, and is succeded as princeps by his son Piavonius.
Skirmishing breaks out between Afrigid Persia and Bilad Al-Rafidayn.
329
After uneventful skirmishes, Shahanshah Bagra I and the new Lakhmid king, Aus ibn Qallam, ratify a treaty delienating the border between Bilad Al-Rafidayn and Persia.
Christian missionaries begin preaching in Ireland.
Odenaethus II, in order to shore up Palmyrene strength against attack from the East, begins negotiating with the Ghassanids.
330
The Bible is first translated into the Gothic language by Guthliufs [Generally not believed to be his real name, as "Guthliufs" simply means "God's Love" in Gothic].
Ezana, king of Axum, extends his control over the Ogaden.
331
Gregory the Illuminator withdraws from the world.
Alexander Herrinus passes a law against divorce.
Valerius converts to Manicheanism.
332
Piavonius defeats the Visigoths at Pella.
The Visigoths become Italian feodorati - in other words, vassals.
Valdemar II
Banned
You shouldn't be sure of that Godfred (Gods Peace) was a pagan King of Denmark and stayed so his entire life (quite ironic name really, he used his entire life on making Charlemagne life difficult).
Beside that a new map would be nice.
Guthliufs is an ahistorical figure (indeed, googling the word only brings up one web address - this thread). I went with that name because I don't have any source for Gothic names, and went with a nickname instead.
Map to come up tomorrow.
Here, as promised is the map, 332
Numbers Key:
1. Brythonic vassals of Gaul (Selgovae, Votadini)
2. Jutes
3. Angli
4. Saxones
5. Frisii
6. Langobardi
7. Franci
8. Burgundii
9. Minor Germanic Tribes (Hermanubri, Bavari, etc.)
10. Rugii
11. Thuringii
12. Alemanni
13. Huns
14. Egrisi (Lazica)
15. Caucasian Iberia
16. Caucasian Albania
Numbers Key:
1. Brythonic vassals of Gaul (Selgovae, Votadini)
2. Jutes
3. Angli
4. Saxones
5. Frisii
6. Langobardi
7. Franci
8. Burgundii
9. Minor Germanic Tribes (Hermanubri, Bavari, etc.)
10. Rugii
11. Thuringii
12. Alemanni
13. Huns
14. Egrisi (Lazica)
15. Caucasian Iberia
16. Caucasian Albania
The Selgovae and Votadini's languages might get strong influences from Latin in the future, through Gaul, unless something unexpected happens.
If Thessalonic and Mount Athos stays Greek-speaking, in the long term, it shall be interesting to observe the linguistic evolution of the Visigoth.
Well, you have to remember that Latin never really took root in Britain, which returned to Brythonic Celtic almost as soon as the Romans left and then became the only province to become linguistically Germanic. And Gothic never really took root in Italy and Spain. The only Germanic word I could find in Castillian Spanish is "Guerra", which has the same root as "War" and "Krieg." Based on this, Britain will probably remain linguistically Celtic until around 600 or something happens to the rural population, whichever comes first, while the Visigoths will probably embrace Greek. On the other hand, the Visigoths, and more likely the Ostrogoths, may wind up keeping Gothic as their language - after all, the South Slavs and Bulgarians don't speak a Hellenic language.
Jaded_Railman
Banned
Of course, the South Slavs and Bulgarians didn't settle in Hellenic speaking areas, but rather in areas where dwelt Latin speakers (as well as a number of minority languages, and a decent amount of Greek speakers).
Well, my point is less settle areas like Britain saw the local languages supplanting Latin, and the barbarians' languages supllanting the local languages. More heavily populated regions like Gaul saw the tribes absorbed into the local culture, adopting the regional language (Vulgar Latin, in Gaul's case).
Jaded_Railman
Banned
And, of course, Greece is the densely settled area west of India at this moment, so...
Anyway, here's the next fove years, 333-337
333
The Vandals begin raiding Northern Italia.
The Ostrogoths begin raiding Asian Thrace.
The Ghassanids agree to become vassals to the Palmyrenes.
334
The Italians and Visigoths defeat the Vandals.
The Huns begin raiding neighboring tribes.
The North Alamanni begin raiding Gaul.
335
Valerius defeats the Ostrogoths at Adrianople, forcing them into feodorati status.
Sumadragupta succeeds his fathe Chandragupta I as king of the Gupta Empire.
Tuoba Hena ousts Tuoba Yihuai to become cheif of the Tuoba.
Lucianus I defeats the North Alammani.
336
Arius dies in Susa. His views on Christianity, while deemed heretical in Palmyra, have begun to take root amongst the Afrigids.
Scirii begin moving into Sarmatian Dacia.
The Alans beign raiding the Caucasus/
337
Armenia beigns a war with Asia over Cappadocia.
The Lakmids begin a war with Palmyra, possibly influenced by Persia.
Paivonius dies suddenly, to be succeeded by his son Dalmaticus.
333
The Vandals begin raiding Northern Italia.
The Ostrogoths begin raiding Asian Thrace.
The Ghassanids agree to become vassals to the Palmyrenes.
334
The Italians and Visigoths defeat the Vandals.
The Huns begin raiding neighboring tribes.
The North Alamanni begin raiding Gaul.
335
Valerius defeats the Ostrogoths at Adrianople, forcing them into feodorati status.
Sumadragupta succeeds his fathe Chandragupta I as king of the Gupta Empire.
Tuoba Hena ousts Tuoba Yihuai to become cheif of the Tuoba.
Lucianus I defeats the North Alammani.
336
Arius dies in Susa. His views on Christianity, while deemed heretical in Palmyra, have begun to take root amongst the Afrigids.
Scirii begin moving into Sarmatian Dacia.
The Alans beign raiding the Caucasus/
337
Armenia beigns a war with Asia over Cappadocia.
The Lakmids begin a war with Palmyra, possibly influenced by Persia.
Paivonius dies suddenly, to be succeeded by his son Dalmaticus.