The Empire Parnell Built
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Of course Vargas would still end up as leader via a coup even in this ATL. Brazil is still a monarchy TTL right?
Hmmm... sooort of... I think what I've been trying to do is create the conditions (in the British Empire, Latin America and the US) for the conditions of late-Gilded Age/Edwardian politics to stagger on. So when you talk about "leftist" parties TTL you're kind of talking about OTL late-Victorian radical/progressive parties rather than the kind of class-based socialist parties that emerged at this time OTL. That might sound like a distinction in search of a difference but, to give an example, remember that GB and Ireland don't have universal suffrage by this time. So the big international divide now is between the "democratic" societies like the US, Argentina and the British Empire (by a given definition, of course - Britain is still a colonial empire, the US still has Jim Crow and Argentina isn't a great place to be if you're a Native American) and the autocratic monarchical ones like Germany, France, Brazil and Japan.
On the Russian point specifically, I wouldn't necessarily describe their government as leftist-dominated. Remember that the SR government is overthrown after a few months and Tukhachevsky's government is leftist in the same way that OTL Italian and Spanish fascism had left wing elements to them: there might be a proto-welfare state but not if you're of the wrong ethnicity, religion, sexuality, political persuasion etc..
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I don't know if this is somehow speaking out of turn for this board but recently I wrote a short story for Purple Wall Stories. Each month they take eight stories and match them up against each other with the winner being published in an anthology at the end of the year. It's a slightly melancholy science fiction story that I thought people on this board might enjoy it. So if you do I'd be really grateful if you could give me a vote - voting closes in a couple of days.
Thanks and here's the link
Realized something: Tukhachevsky's Russia is a pastiche of Chiang's KMT, complete with a puppet civilian President as the Lin Sen equivalent. And speaking of Tukh's Russia, does Nikolai Ustryalov play any role in his regime?
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tukhachevsky wasn't a neopagan at all, there's very little actual proof that the story was even told by de gaulle. it's full of logical inconsistencies and de gaulle may have very well not said it
moreover he had little interest in actually ruling russia, he flat-out refused to coup the government, though the pod might be far away enough
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i mean....ustryalov was a fairly minor liberal-conservative with nationalistic tendencies pre-revolution, though he could very well like tukh, i doubt he'd be completely involved in the government
Yes, the idea was to swap OTL China and Russia and give them their own characteristics. I think it's still reasonably interesting though.
As for Ustryalov, I agree with @Hindustani Person comment on this: he's probably in and around the government somewhere but he'll be too minor a thing for a bird's eye TL like this one to really focus on him.
On the veracity of his no-paganism, I understand the general skepticism of De Gaulle's and Roure's account, I think it's a really fascinating idea which I wanted to explore a bit so, for the purposes of this TL, it's true.
As for his willingness to rule, I understand your point. But, as you say, the POD is far enough away that I feel I can use a bit of artistic licence. And bear in mind that this is a Russia where the Bolsheviks were crushed and dispersed in the July Days. in that context, I can see Tukhachevsky, with his emphasis on restoring Russian greatness, as a plausible leader of a military unification effort.