The effects on and of "Canadian" culture in an Ameriwank Universe

The recent discussions of Canada have caused some questions to occur to me relating to the place of Canada in a world where it is a part of the United States from a fairly early period in it's history. What would the culture of the "Canadian" states be like? How would that culture affect "American" history and culture? And most importantly what will the "Amero-Canadian" UHC scheme look like? ;) To jump start the discussion I'll put up some of what seem the more plausible PoDs if anyone has more interesting ones please feel free to suggest them.

  1. The Revolution. The Proto-Canadian populace (Anglo, French and perhaps even indigenous) sides with the rebels, tells the Brits to shove off and after a long interesting war about which highly inaccurate actions movies can be made they are independent.
  2. The War of 1812. Due to a combination of military competence, popular support (Both American and Canadian) and nearly ASB luck after the Wo1812 the US snags Britain's Canadian territories for a steal as part of the peace settlement.
  3. Rebellions of 1837. The US gets pulled into the rebellions either through American support for those rebelling or their refusal to hunt down the ones using US territory to prepare attacks when the British complain. After either an extended US-supported insurgency or war the UK says “good riddance to the ungrateful wretches”
So, Ideas? Thoughts? Criticism of its sheer implausibility?
 

Sachyriel

Banned
God-damn if I had a microphone I'd just create an sound clip that said 'Canadian Culture's about bein' cold eh...' and leave it at that, but since I'm using text I'll add some other things.

Beavers! Yeah, those little rodents were a big part for our state-provinces-kingdoms founding, they were what made French explorers crazy, what with their mercury-lined [Shhh, I'm talking] fur and constant dam-building. Without them, we'd still be a polar-bear infested wasteland, with only Winnipeg and Regina to glow ominously at space stations and satellites.

Buffalo: If Canada had to focus on the states and expanding more...southerly then IOTL then maybe some herds of buffalo survive to escape and live more to the north, where people finally accept that 'Holy Shit you recall stories of grandpa telling us he hit buffalo with trains?' means that they mst be protected.

Hockey...definately.

Lacrosse...hopefully.

Curling...no.
 
Or would Canadian culture end up being limited to isolated regionalism of a greater continental culture. Like that of the South, Northeast and Midwest.
 
I always imagined British Columbia would be part of the Cascadian culture that Washington and Oregon have; Alberta ala another conservative plains-state, and Atlantic Canada merely extended New England. Ontario and Manitoba are like and join Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee, etc as a Great-Lakes subculture of the north.

Basically, just ignore the political scenario of OTL and focus more on culture. What parts of OTL USA are they most similar to, and roll with that.

*can't wait to see everyone begin to pick at him for these suggestions* ;)
 
There a major difference between Canada and the US NOW? there's a more significant difference between the E & W coast than across the border. Unless they're those stubborn Quebecois I doubt you be able to tell the difference between a Canadian and American unless they tell you.
 
I always imagined British Columbia would be part of the Cascadian culture that Washington and Oregon have; Alberta ala another conservative plains-state, and Atlantic Canada merely extended New England. Ontario and Manitoba are like and join Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee, etc as a Great-Lakes subculture of the north.

Basically, just ignore the political scenario of OTL and focus more on culture. What parts of OTL USA are they most similar to, and roll with that.

*can't wait to see everyone begin to pick at him for these suggestions* ;)

The Maritime provinces will be similar to New England, Quebec will be similar to Louisiana but with even more French influence maybe enough to be a French Puerto Rico, the Prarie Provinces will be similar to the Great Plains, and British Columbia to the Pacific Northwest.
 

General Zod

Banned
The Maritime provinces will be similar to New England, Quebec will be similar to Louisiana but with even more French influence maybe enough to be a French Puerto Rico, the Prarie Provinces will be similar to the Great Plains, and British Columbia to the Pacific Northwest.

This is broadly correct, except the culture of Lousiana has been shaped by its geographical location, too, which makes the economy wholly different from the one of Quebec. That would be rather more akin to New England. I would expect Ameriquebec to be a crossbreed between Louisiana and New England. Kinda like Catholic New York.
 
The Maritime provinces will be similar to New England, Quebec will be similar to Louisiana but with even more French influence maybe enough to be a French Puerto Rico, the Prarie Provinces will be similar to the Great Plains, and British Columbia to the Pacific Northwest.

This is broadly correct, except the culture of Lousiana has been shaped by its geographical location, too, which makes the economy wholly different from the one of Quebec. That would be rather more akin to New England. I would expect Ameriquebec to be a crossbreed between Louisiana and New England. Kinda like Catholic New York.

I'll just say Americans apparently have no idea how Quebecois culture works* and leave it at that.

*The short explanation being "bring it, Anglo dog."
 

General Zod

Banned
I'll just say Americans apparently have no idea how Quebecois culture works* and leave it at that.

*The short explanation being "bring it, Anglo dog."

Besides the fact that I'm no American, I work under the very strong impression that two centuries of democratic self-government in the US federal framework would massively butterfly the nasty siege mentality away that spawned the PQ linguistic Nazi. And if it would not, well any attempt to pull that kind of discrimination stuff on Anglos or stage a secession in order to do the same would immediately bring a Grant & Sherman on their sorry heads. In the US, the Quebecois culture would soon learn to play nice to Anglos, or else.
 
Besides the fact that I'm no American, I work under the very strong impression that two centuries of democratic self-government in the US federal framework would massively butterfly the nasty siege mentality away that spawned the PQ linguistic Nazi. And if it would not, well any attempt to pull that kind of discrimination stuff on Anglos or stage a secession in order to do the same would immediately bring a Grant & Sherman on their sorry heads. In the US, the Quebecois culture would soon learn to play nice to Anglos, or else.

I reinterate the statement of my colleague, the Z-man. :rolleyes:
 
Besides the fact that I'm no American, I work under the very strong impression that two centuries of democratic self-government in the US federal framework would massively butterfly the nasty siege mentality away that spawned the PQ linguistic Nazi.

Right, because none of Quebec's problems come from the fact that they're outnumbered 50:1, it's because the Canadian government tried to play hardball with them. Right. :rolleyes:

And if it would not, well any attempt to pull that kind of discrimination stuff on Anglos or stage a secession in order to do the same would immediately bring a Grant & Sherman on their sorry heads. In the US, the Quebecois culture would soon learn to play nice to Anglos, or else.
...Or possibly because we weren't evil and oppressive enough, hard to say. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

And where are you from, then? Because you certainly give off the impression you're from Eagleland.
 
Besides the fact that I'm no American, I work under the very strong impression that two centuries of democratic self-government in the US federal framework would massively butterfly the nasty siege mentality away that spawned the PQ linguistic Nazi. And if it would not, well any attempt to pull that kind of discrimination stuff on Anglos or stage a secession in order to do the same would immediately bring a Grant & Sherman on their sorry heads. In the US, the Quebecois culture would soon learn to play nice to Anglos, or else.

Yes, well, about that...

You do know that Ontario and Quebec (or upper and lower Canada if you want to get historically specific, or to be even more specific for that period, west and east Canada) had self government since the 1840's.

Im really seeing the dislogic in having a population LOSE their seige mentality when instead of being on equal terms with the anglos for at least a while, they are immediately outnumbered in spades.
 
There a major difference between Canada and the US NOW? there's a more significant difference between the E & W coast than across the border. Unless they're those stubborn Quebecois I doubt you be able to tell the difference between a Canadian and American unless they tell you.

To a foreigner yes, but there is a difference in accents even in border states/provinces. I mean I used to live in British Columbia, and my familly would always go down to washington for vacations. They could always tell we were Canadian by our accents, and the same for up in BC. You could always tell who the guy from Washington or Oregon was by their accent. It wasn't obnoxious, but there are noticeable differences that admitedly might not be picked up by a Brit, Aussie, Kiwi, or somesuch.

Admitedly, I've never been able to tell the difference between and Aussie or a New Zealand accent, or all those little different accents in Britain, except the really obvious ones.
 
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