The effect of a free Quebec before 1812

I have been curious as to what the effect of a free Quebec would have on larger Canada if Quebec were somehow independent by the year 1812. British shipping would be cut greatly when it came to the great lakes region.

Made this map to help visualize what I pictured a free Quebec as looking like. In an actual rebellion, I would suspect Quebec would take part of the coastal region as well, though I am not sure about some of the Island off the coast of Eastern Canada.

Will British holdings within the interior be able to survive in any capacity?

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Err... Independent of what? and how?

If you mean independent of the UK, you're going to have to establish a POD and history. THe war of 1812, at least the OTL one would be butterflied away.

If you mean Independent of 'Canada', it was.

So :confused:
 
Yes the term Free Quebec need to be define more, I'd say highly unlikely since our sucessful rebellion took place in 1836 and we got crushed pretty damn easily
 
In 1806, Quebec, or rather Lower Canada, had a population of 250,000. That is not sufficient enough to form such a geographically large state or enough to repel the inevitable British reconquest.
 
Depends on what you mean by independence and when.

The map you've drawn is a bit confusing. You've included the Ungava Peninsula, Newfoundland, Labrador and most of New Brunswick. Ungava at that time would've been as much a part of a state as Baffin Island: it was completely inaccessible, freezing almost all year round with few resources. I'm sure that they could put a claim over it, but it wouldn't be for a long time when the possibility of accessing those resources becomes a reality.

Newfoundland, Labrador and New Brunswick are also a bit less clear. At this time, New Brunswick was quite sparsely unpopulated. It's very possible that an "independent" Canada could claim these territories, but as to how they'd hold them militarily is another story. Newfoundland is also a bit unclear: Canadiens never had much naval support when they were a French colony, and I don't know where they'd get it here to be able to successfully raid Newfoundland and hold it without simulatenously having the capacity to conquer Nova Scota :D.

Just going off conjecture, an 1837-type Lower Canada rebellion in 1812 that removes Canada from British rule successfully is probably more likely to take up the St. Lawrence watershed and just that. But really, the outcome is totally dependent on how the rebellion is conducted, whether it's lateral with the United States' movements, who's leading it, etc. If we ended up with borders with your map, it is likely that the British would need a part along the Hudson or would need a pacific port to hold their territories in the interior. Depending on the king, there must just be a do-or-die re-invasion of Canada to hold on to Quebec, or that land would end up getting traded for more influence elsewhere, perhaps with loyalists all being moved to Nova Scotia or some such.
 

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And here was me thinking we'd finally moved past that ridiculous confusion of the terms 'independent' and 'free'. Is North Korea free because it's not part of South Korea? Is California unfree because it's part of the USA?
 
When I say independent I mean no longer under the rule of the UK. Basically it's own nation.

Note that this isn't a independent Canada, but a independent Quebec. The inland areas around the great lakes are still British.

Sorry about the map details. Does this look better?

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