The earliest the HRE can dissolve?

Whats the earliest the HRE can be dissolved.

With dissolved i mean:
Not one nation on the map.
No Holy Roman Emperor
Full independence for the German principalities. (not forever)
 
Probably not what you were looking for, but whatever:

POD: Otto the Great dies in 930. His successor is unable to unify the Germanic stem duchies, and they eventually become independent (each with their own king). The title of Holy Roman Emperor goes into permanent disuse after the death of Berengar of Friuli, so the Holy Roman Empire which began with Charlemagne ends in 924.
 
The Mongols continuing their advance would pretty much rip up the HRE, especially if they turned South afterwards and pillaged Italy before withdrawing to a (presumably more Western) line

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Grey Wolf
 

Susano

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Hm, theres been many a great debatte about this here, on wether the Mongols couldve coped long-term with a non-open (often heavily forrested) landscape full of castles forcing them into siege warfare. The Mongols excelled in open battles, and best at open battles on open terrain - but I guess if the TL gives the Mongols enough luck, they can do so...
 
The mongols sieged more impressive castles and even cities than those present in medieval Europe. They had a certain experience in doing so, after some 20 or 30 years (IIRC) of conquering Asia.

Seeing this, I believe that they would not be bothered much by these fortifications.
 

Susano

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Of course the Mongols knew siegecraft. But they didnt have to use it often - but Europe, one castle after the next, might well exhaust them.
 
The mongols sieged more impressive castles and even cities than those present in medieval Europe. They had a certain experience in doing so, after some 20 or 30 years (IIRC) of conquering Asia.

Seeing this, I believe that they would not be bothered much by these fortifications.

The difference was that in Asia they were dealing with heavly centralized states that fallen apart when the government was destroyed/subdued. In Europe, every second lordling had his own castle and most of them were only nominally dependant on their liege lord.
 
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