the Eagle and the Crescent: A Different Collapse of Rome

I've been working on a map series for the last month or so. I was very inspired by @KillEmAll1989 's excellent Gothic Empire timeline, which I personally think is the best timeline ive read in a bit. Overall the main POD was originally a semi-surviving Carthaginian Empire, but I realized a better timeline could be made with less butterflies dying. The new POD is that in 235 during the Year of the 6 Empires the empire is partially split between a Northern Roman Empire, formed by Maximus Thrax with Rome as its capital, and a Southern Roman Empire formed by Gordian with Carthage as its capital.

Rome at in 235.
The Next 100 years would be that of massive social and cultural change. The weakening of the Empire at the hands of barbarian incursions lead to military defeat. Mystery cults and new religions that did not acknowledge the emperors authority arose in popularity. Christianity, originally viewed with intense suspicion by the Roman populace grew rapidly in popularity particularly among the urban poor and urban wealthy. The main centers of Christianity formed a new hierarchy, Jerusalem, Alexandria, Antioch, Ephesus, Rome, and Carthage would form the Hexarchy of Christianity. Armenia, Georgia, Ethiopia and Osrhoene all adopted the faith. In 285 Northern Emperor Diocles decided to split his Empire into 3 portions, Oriens, Illyrium, and the Occidens, forming the Triarchy of the Northern Roman Empire. This reform proved to be no better than the system in place. Diocles survived his reign, but his successors failed to keep the fragile system of power in check. The conflict came at ahead when Licinius, Emperor of Illyrium gathered the legions on the Danube to press his claim on the Occidens. Licinius defeated Maxentius in the Occidens and married Galerius's daughter Valeria. Licinius created his victories to the Christian God and delivered the Edict of Vienne, granting freedom of Religion in the Empire in 313. Licinius would later formalize Christian doctrine in the Council of Gangra. This council would affirm Christian belief in the Gangrene Creed, expelling Arian elements from the Orthodox churches. Licinius built his great capital to celebrate the triumph of his faith and his empire in Syrmium, renamed Nova Roma. This city would be the site of the Empire's ultimate embarrassment.

Rome, 360 AD
The political situation in the Empire slowly returned to its dire situation. Licinius the Great died in 340 AD of old age, and his son Licinius II took over the empire. Licinius reestablished authority over the South at extreme cost, his political capital spent fighting a costly war. The rise of the Neo-Persian Sassanid Dynasty in the east threatened the borders and barbarian incursions increased. His death in a "accident" lead to the empire being split in four again. In 376, the Great Disaster began. Emperor of Oriens, Valens invited Gothic tribes to settle in exchange for helping press his claim on the empire. This decision completely backfired. The Arian Goths invaded, sacking Nova Roma and calling the Council of Syrmium. In the Council of Syrmium, the Arians created their creed, forming the Homoean Church, more colloquially called the Gothic Church. After conquering the Division of Illyrium, they then moved to conquer Thrace and Asia. In Ephesus, Airmanareiks was crowned "reikreikē" King of Kings in 384. This disasterous defeat opened the floodgates for migrating peoples escaping the Hunnic onslaught. Foederati status was granted to the Franks, Saxons, and Suevis. The Saxons spreaded from their lands along the Saxon Shore and formed the Kingdom of Saxony. the Suevi spread to rule the lands we call "Burgundy". in 410, the Alans sacked Rome and conquered the Province of Aquitaine. The Southern Roman Empire did not fare any better. the Berber peoples underwent their first "rising", disregarding their emperor's authority, creating the Romano-Moorish kingdoms. The Southern Empire did not escape the Germanic invasions either. the Vandals formed a territory in Spain, and the Sciri created a domain in Gallaecia.

This left "Rome" in 3 different parts. Rome of Italia, ruled by the true line of Emperors, drawing authority from the Church. The "Palmyrene Empire or the Udhainid Empire", an Arabo-Roman Empire ruled from Palymra. The Roman Empire would slowly bleed territory, especially during as a result of the Lombard and Haudobard Invasions in the 560s. The Palmyrene Empire proved to be extremely successful, leaving a lasting cultural legacy on the Arab people both sedentary and nomadic. It would remain strong and conquer Egypt until its collapse due to the rise of Iman in the mid 640s. The final place where Rome proved to stay strong was in Britain. While Rome abandoned Britain to its own vices in 405 AD, the legions remained. While mostly unattested, these legions formed a warlord period lowkey in the historical record, with them completely successfully repelling an invasion from both the organized Saxons of Gaul and the Angles on multiple occasions, but not enough for many Brythonic peoples to escape to Brittany and Britonia in Spain.

440 AD
I have doubts - the fact is that during this period the Italian economy was dependent on Carthage.
Besides Carthage I was considering Tarraco or Caesarea, but during this time the two empires wouldve been codependent and in a somewhat symbiotic state like our OTL East West Spilt.
Of course this timeline has its own version of Islam, but here there are some extremely major differences. ITL it is called Iman. Followers are called Mu'min. The religion began in 610 when Mustafa began receiving revelations in the city of Becca (Petra). He began preaching in public and gradually grew a following, preaching monotheism and opposing idolatry. The Mu'min were expelled from Becca, taking refuge in Medina in the Hegira. Mustafa's following grew among the Arabs. Mustafa became a political and religious leader in Medina, leading to new revelations. Becca sent a military expedition to crush the Mu'min, and the citizens of Medina fought back. Mustafa sent expeditions to conquer, convert, and form alliances with other Arabs. In 630, Mustafa reconquered Becca. In 632, he closed his prophethood at Ad-Deir on his farewell pilgrimage, giving his adopted son Ali leadership of the Mu'min. Mustafa fell ill and died in 633 in Medina. Mustafa was faithfully devoted to his wife, but never sired any children. Before his prophethood he adopted Ali, the son of his cousin.

It is split into 4 major denominations:
the Sunni also known as the Imamiyya or the Traditionalists - The Sunni follow a lineage of primogeniture directly from 's adopted son, 'Ali, with descendants claiming the ttle of Caliph and Imam. The Sunni backed Hassan, Ali's biological son in the Fitna. Initially following a seniority succession style, after the Anarchy period rule became exclusive primogeniture. Sunni theology was codified in the 8th and 9th century by Persian scholars under tutelage of the Caliph-Imams. Sunnism is diverse in views and has gone through multiple different orthodoxies throughout history. Sunnism is the majority religion of Mu'min today. OTL comparison is a mix of Zaydism and Sunnism.

the Shurat - The Shurat were formed from opponents of both Hussan and Zayd, who supported the exclusive rights of the Shura to decide the leader of the Mu'min. During the Fitna, tribal leaders voted Ibn Zubayr as Caliph. Shurite forces were decisively defeated by Ali. The surviving Shurites escaped to the mountains of Oman, forming their own Imamate. Shuris believe rulers must be infallible, and if they fail to be infallible or be removed by force. Shuris also believe in equality under god, the requirement of women to Jihad the same as men, and the abolition of slavery. Shuris are mostly found in the region of Oman, East Africa, and Tripolitania. OTL comparison is Ibadism.

the Ikhwan - The Ikhwan was formed from the supporters of Zayd, Ali's adopted son. Ikhwanis believe that all Caliphs must be adopted. Ikhwanism is very theologically unorthodox to the other 3 major sects. Ikhwanis believe in reincarnation, universal and transcendental god, the ability to transmit knowledge between two persons without physical contact, the importance of the esoteric meaning of the Qur'an, strict adherence to the pillars, and that the Quran is the physical embodiement of Allah. the Ikhwan have a strong tradition of monasticism and asceticism. The Ikhwanis are mostly found in Yemen, Asir, Mount Lebanon, Jabal al-Ikhwan, the Zagros mountains, Makran, Al Bahrain, and other mountainous regions of the Armenian Plateau. The Ikhwan reached a peak of political power during the Zaydid Caliphate from 900-1200, when they were Custodians of the Holy Cities and was more powerful than the Imam-Caliphate. OTL comparison is the Druze, with an added spice of extreme Sufi beliefs.

the Shi'i -the Shi'i arose from the destruction of the seat of the Caliph-Imams Al-Mansuriyah by the Mongol hordes in 1256 and the succession dispute that followed upon the return of the missing successor Muhammad al Nafs al Zakiyya. al Nafs al Zakiyya called for an divinely righteous army to remove the invaders that had usurped the throne he desired. The army successfully expelled the Mongols from Egypt, al-Sham, the Mashriq, and Arabia and set up a seat of power in the new city of Mahdia (otl Salamiya). al-Nafs al-Zakiyya ruled a Imam-Caliph for 5 years. in 1281, he met a massive combined Sunni Perso-Arab-Majar-Mongol army in the fields of Al-Fu'ah. In the fields he would meet his end, a long with scores of soldiers on his side and on the others. With no heirs, his followers decided the seat of Caliph-Imam was from that point empty. Khalinis believe in a complicated eschatology based on the battle of Al-Fu'ah, with the Mehdi returning with martyrs of Fu'ah to defeat evil. Other important values are the importance of martyrdom, mourning, and justice. Shi'is are predominantly found in Al-Sham, Medina, Siqiliya, Iqritiya, and other Mu'min parts of Europe. OTL comparison is Twelver Shi'ism.

Other sects exist in Iman, usually called the Ghulat sects, but these 4 groups are the base groups that 99% of Mu'min fall into.

The World in 634 AD.

Sorry it been a while since I've posted on this, I've been fairly busy.
Eagle and the Crescent 861 AD Write Up Pt. 1

the Frankish kingdom slowly and surely united the nations of Germany. In 814 AD, King Carloman the Great, King of the Franks, Bavarians, Burgundians, Alemannians, Frisians, Phalians and Angrians was recognised as Caesar of the Germans, as a condition for stopping his occupation of the Lombard kingdom. In historiography this is traditionally considered the beginning of the First German Reich, which is traditionally considered to have ended with the replacement of To go with this title, the first new Catholic Orthodox patriarchate outside of the traditional Hexarchy was created for this new empire, the Patriarchate of Germania, headed from Aachen.

In Britain, the Viking era was in full swing after the first attack by Viking warriors on the monastery of Medhgade. With higher sea levels, and a population surplus in the Scandinavian peninsula, thousands of young adventurers descended on the coasts of Europe and the Mediterranean. In 858, a major invasion led by Halfdan ravaged Britain. The petty British kings were quick to negotiate, forming a territory known historiographically as the Danelaw. The Danelaw over the course of the next 100 years grew to encompass all of Britain south of Hadrian's Law sans Cambria, until its defeat by the peasant army of Saint Artuir the Great, the first unified British king in history. From these conquests, a mixed Brito-Norse population developed, with Britainese language and Norse heritage.

Spain underwent a period of cataclysmic change. In 711, an Berber army led by legendary king Idir, invited by disgruntled nobles in the Vandal kingdom, invaded and rapidly conquered all of Hispania south of the Picos de Europa. From their new home in Iberia, the army ventured in Septimania and invaded and briefly conquered Aquitaine. In the north of Spain, Britthonic arrivers settled in Gallaecia, forming the kingdom of Britonia, and the mixture of Vandalic nobility and Celtic tribesmen formed the kingdoms of Cantabria and Asturias. in 800 AD, Emperor of this Hispano-Berber Empire, Daniyel the Pious converted to Judaism, influenced by Radhanite merchants. The remaining Christians of Hispania stayed hopeful despite major theological differences between them and the Papacy of Rome, in 794 the relics of Saint James were discovered in Sandiago. From this claim, an independent Cardinal was formed under declaration of apostolic succession from Saint James, following a Christological doctrine of Anthromorphism and Semi-Arianism.

North Africa and the Near East
The period from 700-1200 AD was a period of constant upheaval in the western portions of North Africa. From the ashes of the Mauro-Roman kingdoms arose the Theocrats of Tahert, Aures, Byzacena, and Zeugiana. Using the Donatist African form of Christianity, the metropolitans and bishops of the region became equated with the role of king due to the demand for infallibility. in 698, the armies of the Mu'min invaded North Africa, conquering Cyrenaica and Tripolitania. the Berber queen Dihya/al-Kahina stopped the Mu'min advance, temporarily. In the west, the tribes of Mauretania joined Idir's confederation, later Judaizing.

The Imamate continued it spread after the first fitna between the two sons of 'Ali and Zubayr. Besides the aforementioned invasions of North Africa, invasions continued into the Caucasus, Central Asia, and India, bringing more land under the Imamate. Hasan's (661-670) successor, Husain at-Tābi li Mardhātillāh (690), realised the importance of a navy to continue raids in the Mediterranean. These raiders would later conquer the isles of the Aegean, Sicily, and conquer territories on the Italian boot. The first 100 years of Iman were characterized by the formation of 3 original branches of Imam, and the beginnings of the schools of thoughts. The Umayyads, hereditary governors of al-Sham and Egypt patronized the Ahl-al-Kalaam, the school of rationalism and theology. The Abbasids, hereditary governors of Khorasan patronized the Ahl al-Hadith, he school of oral traditions. The Imams at the time did not follow these two schools, before 747 the religion was mostly based on the temporal positions of the Mustafid rulers. The beginning of the 8th Century saw the jizya controversy, where non-Arab Muslims were levied the tax, and the gradual split in the Mustafid family between the Hasanid lineage and the Husaynid lineage.

too be continued in Pt 2...

The Varengians

While in Western Europe the mixture of Norse adventurers and Low Franconian settlers created the Nortmand people, in the cold taiga of Northeastern Europe a seperate people would be formed by the mixture of Rucian adventurers and Sclaves called the Væringi to the Norse, Varjag to the Sclaves, and the Varengae to the Romans. In these northernmost lands of the Sclaven' kingdom along the trade routes from Scandinavia to the Goths and the Near East, trade posts were constructed. The most notable founded in this formative period from 800-950 was the city of Novgorod. Varengian traders, mercenaries, and adventurers descended from these lands southward into the Mediterranean seeking glory and fortune. In 988, Varengians entered the Optimates, the Roman guard. In the chaos of the early 11th century in the Mediterranean, skilled Varengian warriors stepped up to fill the void. In 1012, the first state ruled by Varengians was created. Varengians protecting pilgrims from Bari to Salerno successfully defeated a Arab raiding party. Seeing their warrior fervor, Dux of Salerno Gisulfo offered the leader of the guard, Agmondo Riurico, the city of Bari if he helped him attack the city. Agmondo was granted the county of Bari, beginning the era of Varengian dominance in Southern Italy and the rise of the Riurico family.

Agmondo expanded his domain till his death in 1041, at the time of his death he had successfully conquered all of southern Italy, declaring himself of Duke of Apulia and Lucania. After almost 200 years of unchallenged Arab rule in Sicily, Agmondo's son Gaufrido began an invasion of Sicily, in 1061 declaring himself Duke of Sicily. Sicily had collapsed into warring Taifas, and in the gap of power, the Varengians filled it, at invitation of the Christians of the island. Gaufrido took 20 years to completely establish authority over the Island. Gaufrido died in 1110, and would be succeeded by the greatest Varengian monarch, Gandolfo I the Caesar of the Crusaders. Gandolfo in his reign declared himself King of Sicily, moving his capital from Bari to Palermo. In his Kingdom, a uniquely cosmopolitan cultural mix best described as Varengo-Sicilian formed, mixing the Gothic Italiots, Arab Muslims, Catholic Sicilians, Varengians, and Habards together.

In eastern Hispania, another Varengian adventurer involved himself in a major power gap. Named Hervé FillVarenc by Vandalician chroniclers and Herveo Varengez by Cantabrians, he was employed as the leader of the Vandalician Navy during its fight against the Malachate. Seizing Tarragona, he was granted the title of Duke. The Varengian period in Eastern Iberia was short lived, but had a significant effect in the long term. The conquest of the duchy by Emperor of All Hispania Rodrigo Campeador prevented further expansion by the Vandalicians southwards into Spain. Similar to the Sicilian Varengians, the conquered subjects were granted significant autonomy, allowing for the survival of Berber and Arab populations in the region.

The collapse of the Gothic Empire at the hands of the Pizenacs created another major destabilizing event to the Mediterranean region. The Uzes had converted to Gothic Christianity in year 1000 in opposition to the rising Pizenac threat, and the Varengian's own liege at home, the Kyivans also converted to the Gothic creed in a pseudo-Triple Alliance against the threat. In the political-religious order of the era, the Pizenacs looked to Rome for alliance against their sworn enemies at all sides. In 1049, Pecheneg chief Kuchug was baptised by the Pope of Rome as Paulus I, King of Illyricum, an was given censure to invade and reestablish the Diocese of Illyricum. In 1050, an alliance of Goths and Tocurgur forces were annihilated at Beroia, killing the heirless Reik Gaislaik and throwing the Empire into a chaotic Interregnum made worse by the Magyar invasion coming from the west. In an attempt to restore the Gothic throne, claimant Fridaric personally requested help from the Magyars to take his throne. Magyar forces conquered Anatolia and placed Fridaric as a puppet.

In 1065, with relations between the sects at an all time low, the Pope of Rome under the Roman emperor ordered an armed pilgrimage to restore the patriarchates to Papal authority and to help the Pizenacs. Dubbed the Great Crusade, the sees of Ephesus, Antioch and most importantly, Jerusalem were retaken by the Latin Christians. In the aftermath of the Crusade, the Kingdom of the Orient was created. Varengian crusaders found themselves ruling extensive territories that would be extended to borderlands of Syria during the Second Crusade.

Gandolfo I invaded Africa, taking advantage of the collapse of the Kutama, restoring the see of Carthage and declaring himself King of Africa in 1145. In 1157, Gandolfo was elected King of the Orient. Seeking to be recognized as a Caesar, he successfully invaded Egypt in 1160. He was recognized as Caesar of the Orient by both the Roman Emperor and the German Kaiser. One of the greatest rulers of the Medieval period, he went from a Duke to a Caesar in a lifetime. Gandolfo also encouraged the orientalization of his court, gradually shifting from the use of Latin to Arabic over the course of his life. Known as Jandulfu to the Arabs, he also took a daughter of an Imam as his second wife, and led one of the first major translation schemes of ancient materials from Arabic to Latin. Gandolfo represented the absolute peak of Varengian influence in the Mediterranean.

After Gandolfo's death in 1171 he was succeeded by Osmondo the Good, the last significant Varengian ruler. After his death in 1190, it would take only 4 more years for the title of Caesar to go extinct. After a disputed succession in 1208 in the Kingdom of Sicily, their rejuvenated Roman rivals invaded and made the title part of their own, ending the Varengian period in Italy. The Riurico family escaped to their African territories, which were effectively just a coalition of coastal cities and Malta. Their line went completely extinct in 1569, ending the last vestige of Varengian rule in the Mediterranean, closing the book on the Varengian period.
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Respublica Christiana: the Roman Empire from 1087-~1500

Respublica Christiana is a historiographic term for the period from 1087 to roughly year 1500 where the Roman Empire's senate elected emperors from among themselves, usually the heads of patrician families from Pisa, Ancona, Venice, Ragusa, and Ravenna. This era succeeded the Empress era from 904-960, where women held unprecedented power and during the reigns of empresses Mariuccia (928-937) and Augusta (945-960) reigned as Roman empresses, the Mancini dynasty from 960-1014, and the Castrensi dynasty from 1015-1086. The last Castrensi Emperor, Silvestre II (1050-1086) ordered the Great Crusade of 1066 on behalf of the Pope to help the Pizenacs and the secure the Levant and more importantly to Roman history, granted the Senate, previously a assembly of nobles whose sole power was to give petitions to the Emperor from themselves, the right to elect the Roman emperor from their own, ending the hegemony of landowning families from Latium. With the flood of wealth and culture to the coastal cities due to the opening of trade with the Near East and the Silk Road, the patrician class rose in power. The first post-Castriensi Emperor, Leone V (1086-1100, Ancona), was from Ancona and of a wealthy family.

With the newfound wealth of the Roman Empire, a new phase of expansionism began. Emperor Raniero (1100-1119, Pisa), declared himself King of Italy in response to Italy's extended interregnum. This began a 170 year struggle between the Kings of Italy and the Kings of Sicily and the Roman emperors usually called the Usurpation Conflicts. the Kingdom of Italy split between two different factions, the pro-Roman Aquile and the Pro-Milanese Corone with fiefs splitting allegiance, but the main cities of Aquile alliegiance were Genoa, Verona, Modena, Siena, and Lucca. The Kingdom of Sicily was brought into the struggle when Gandolfo I marched an army into Rome, forcing the Emperor to acknowledge him as King of Sicily. His elevation to Caesar of the Orient increased the rivalry between the Sicilians and the Romans. His successor Osmondo the Good's open support of the Corone caused a split in the nobility of the Kingdom of Sicily. the mainland nobility grew pro-Roman, while the multiconfessional island nobility supported the pro-Italian position. In 1208, in the midst of a succession dispute, Roman emperor Bertrando (1197-1220, Venice) declared himself King of Sicily with the help of the nobility of the mainland.

The Mongol Invasions of Europe devastated large parts of Europe, most notably annihilating the medieval kingdoms of Uzia (1242), Poland (1241), the Sclaves (1230), and the much of the Balkans (1250s). The Mongols formed the Blue Horde from the ashes of their Central European domain. The Po Valley was devastated during an invasion, and both the Kingdom of Italy and the Roman Empire became a tributary to the Great Khan. This put a temporary halt to the conflicts between the Italians and the Romans. In 1253, Emperor Vittorio II (1243-1261, Ravenna) declared himself king of Arberia and began an extensive operation to conquer the warring tribes. Years of grievances with the emperors in Sicily boiled over in 1274, when on All Saint's Day after the Isha prayer, citizens of Palermo armed themselves and killed their gubernator. the rebellion, dubbed the Sicillan Iscia or the All Saint's Day revolt, rapidly spread to other cities in the isle. Riccardo of Patti, a peasant, was declared King and Caid Riccardo I of Sicily by the populace. In 1285 a peace deal was made by the Romans, splitting the old kingdom of Sicily in two: the island the Kingdom of Trinacria and the mainland the Kingdom of Samnium. the struggle between the Italians and the Romans came to a close in 1289 with the Battle of Pavia, where the King of Italy Rodolfo IV gave up his crown to the Emperor.
If you have questions feel free to ask, I may have made the font a lil too small so ill be later retyping the stuff I wrote in the notes here.

British Isles in 1171:
The rise of the Kingdom of Wales after the conquest of the old Cumbrian state by the Nortmen was rapid. After pacifying the local lords, King Frederig I the Vanquisher settled his court in the city of Dingarei (Banburgh). In 1090, a coalition of Nortmen nobles invaded the Kingdom of Gwynedd in response to constant raiding. The Nortmen who invaded swore fealty to the Welsh kingdom and formed the semi-independent Margraviates. Welsh expansion continued when Galdyr, an exiled Caledonian raised on the mainland in Gent was elected King of the Caledonians. King Galdyr I's rule caused major social changed in Caledonia. Concubinage ended, Cumbro-Norse knights were granted fiefdoms, and the Celtic Catholic use was replaced by that of the mainland. Gualdyr's rule replaced the clan system with that of mainland feudalism. Feudalism would later be introduced to Ireland by the Welsh, this time by force. claiming authority over Ireland due to their refusal to conform to the standards of the church, in 1165 King Tudur I invaded. Tudur conquered Armagh and large portions of central Ireland.
The Georgian Golden Age:
The invasion of the Near East-Caucasus left a power vacuum after the degradation of the Arpadid state. Magyar warriors formed weak bands led by nobles with the title "Harka", setting up a dynasty in Adharbaigan. The state the received the greatest boon from the weakening of the Arpadids however were the Georgians. Gothic exiles from Anatolia spread technological and cultural, the Georgian Church was granted its own Exarchate at the same level as the Hexarch of Efes and the other Exarchs. Georgian culture flourished. The Bagratid dynasty remains strong on the throne.
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A northern and southern empire doesn't make sense. The north has the loooong border, some of it with the empire's longtime (and only real) rival while the south doesn't border anyone important. The north will need the vast majority of troops (at least they have the Balkans, the best recruiting grounds) but not Egypt with which to feed or pay (something like a quarter to even a third of tax revenue came from Egypt) them. This system should collapse way sooner, or rather the north should conquer the south.
I'm not anything near an expert in this period of history, but I love how you've depicted this alternate timeline! (Just a minor nitpick with the most recent update; wouldn't it be either "Northmen" or "Nordmen" with how the sound shifts?) Oh, and the religious diversity is really fascinating even on its own without the drastic geopolitical differences.
I'm not anything near an expert in this period of history, but I love how you've depicted this alternate timeline! (Just a minor nitpick with the most recent update; wouldn't it be either "Northmen" or "Nordmen" with how the sound shifts?) Oh, and the religious diversity is really fascinating even on its own without the drastic geopolitical differences.
In ITL, the ITL Norman language is the OTL Dutch language, so im going with Nortmen/Noors(ch)? as their names. The diversity is soon to go up with the forthcoming Western Schisms, the rise of the Shia, the many Protestant movemants, etc
In ITL, the ITL Norman language is the OTL Dutch language, so im going with Nortmen/Noors(ch)? as their names. The diversity is soon to go up with the forthcoming Western Schisms, the rise of the Shia, the many Protestant movemants, etc
Speaking of that, could you make a linguistic map? At least show the major language families.
Speaking of that, could you make a linguistic map? At least show the major language families.
Honestly I want to, the main problem with doing it (next map im planning is peak Mongol) is that most of the languages havent truely separated yet, and that culture ≠ language mostly, as there can be ethnic groups that share a language but not a culture and some of ITL cultures are currently like this.
Honestly I want to, the main problem with doing it (next map im planning is peak Mongol) is that most of the languages havent truely separated yet, and that culture ≠ language mostly, as there can be ethnic groups that share a language but not a culture and some of ITL cultures are currently like this.
I'd be fine if it's just showing families, not individual languages. So it could show Romance, Germanic and Slavic as their own categories for example.