The Death of Russia - TL
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Right forgot the name changed after Stalin died when other cities like Leningrad didn't get the rename till 91 and Kaliningrad is still Kaliningrad
“It is around this time that he began to read a Russian translation of the Turner Diaries.”
That can’t end well.
That can’t end well.
One of the bibles of the far-right written by some antisemitic shitbag.
The Turner Diaries - Wikipedia
And now I regret asking. I thought I purged the idea of this book ever since I followed the rabbit hole that was TNO Burgundy.One of the bibles of the far-right written by some antisemitic shitbag.
The Turner Diaries - Wikipedia
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"Artillery!"
Artillery!
Extract from the BBC Documentary ‘Facing Past and Future: 20 Years after the Fire’, by John Sweeney
Extract from the BBC Documentary ‘Facing Past and Future: 20 Years after the Fire’, by John Sweeney
Sweeney: “Taxi!”
Taxi approaches crew
Sweeney (as narrator): “In Latvia, the bitterness of the occupation still runs deep, to the extent people who know Russian refuse to speak it. Noticing my driver is only slightly younger than a spry youth such as myself, I try to initiate a conversation in a now thoroughly foreign language.”
Driver: “Are you …?”
Sweeney: “I’m English.”
Driver: “Ah, I was confused about why you were speaking Russian. Heh, it’s rare to hear it in Latvia these days.”
Sweeney: “Do the young people not learn it?”
Sweeney: “No, none of the young people know Russian. There are probably more people who speak Chinese than Russian in Latvia these days!”
Sweeney: “So only the older people know it?”
Driver: “Well, a lot of them don’t like to speak in it because of all the sad things that happened during the 90s and before that of course. Many swore in December 1993 that they would never say it again - of course, since I was actually living in Daugavpils at the time, I didn’t have a choice.”
Sweeney: “So you were in Latgale during the occupation?”
Driver: “Yes, at first we were grateful, even though we were ethnic Latvians, to be on the Russian side. The reason was that we saw all the chaos happening in Riga and we thought to ourselves, well at least there’s no violence here in Daugavpils! The Russian army wouldn’t allow it! Then we had the waves of Russians leave Riga in the next few weeks and move in. A lot of people were killed in the riots in Riga so everyone was running here. That turned Latgale into a majority-Russian place. At the same time, this was still our home, we grew up alongside Russians, didn’t see any difference, what was the problem? At the same time, we heard that they were eating beans around flaming, public camp fires in Tallinn because the coal and energy had all been cut off since the annexation, so we thought we were the lucky ones. After a few weeks, however, the Russian police came in. They started arresting people left and right. If you so much as spoke Latvian in the town centre, arrested! If you wore red and white? Arrested! Of course, by then we knew it was too late but what could we do? They’d left the border open for a little bit at the start to reduce the number of people to deal with, but by then they’d mined the shit out of it!”
Sweeney: “So you were in ‘Russia’, when the violence exploded?”
Driver: “I was in prison when it all started.”
Sweeney: “Prison?”
Driver: “I made the mistake, in early 1994, of being in the wrong place and time according to some drunk Russian’s quotas. The New Forest Brothers had just shot an OMON officer - this was after Limonov had reformed them to basically be the second coming of the NKVD. So they had a quota about making sure they got someone to blame. Being Russians they just flung themselves around and grabbed anyone they could, and I was one.”
Sweeney: “What was it like in prison back then?”
Driver: “Hell. You could barely even sit in that closet of a cell, and you had to share it with half a dozen other unlucky bastards. They used cattle prods if you said a word, especially if you were speaking in Latvian. I saw one poor bastard insist ‘Latgalian isn’t Latvian! It’s a separate language,’ before they beat that son of a bitch so bad I thought I was going to witness a fucking murder! Every once in a while you heard gunshots, so I probably at least heard some murders.”
Sweeney: “How did you get out?”
Driver: “ ‘Exchanged’ after it kicked off - I hope whatever food the bastards got in return gave them a stomach ache. I settled in Riga, and haven’t left the city since. Haven’t had much of a chance to practice my Russian either, but I’m not sure if that’s a bad thing. I can barely even look eastwards anymore - too much sadness.”
Sweeney: “Do you miss Daugavpils?”
Driver: Shrug “I miss my youth, being able to dance all night, having all the girls chase after me, or what it was in reality, having me chase all of them and getting nothing by the end of the night. Believing back in the 80s that things were finally going to get better for everyone, I miss all that. Latvia’s changed a lot since I was a kid, and though I don’t think I’ve kept up with it, that doesn’t mean it wasn’t for the best. I hope kids in Latvia today can leave all the bitterness with my generation.”
Car stops
Driver: “Here we are. Sorry for my Russian being slightly rusty.”
Sweeney: “Not at all! Here you go! Spasiba!”
Driver: “Spasiba!”
Sweeney exits the car and closes the door, car drives off
Extract from ‘Averting Armageddon: The West in the Second Russian Civil War’ by Frank Wolfowitz
The loss of face from the partial annexation resulted in the West exerting more pressure to try and create a united front across the Post-Soviet region. One of the first things to do was to end some of the conflicts that had been raging at the time. For one, Armenia’s conflict with Azerbaijan. Both (but Azerbaijan especially in being Muslim) feared a resurgent Ultra-nationalist Russia, especially given its evident disdain of Caucasians. This gave the Clinton Administration an opening for peace in late January 1994, with Armenia taking the lion’s share of victory in effectively making the ethnically Armenian Nagorno-Karabakh, plus the surrounding area that had been expelled of Azerbaijani residents, a separate state called ‘Artsakh’. This was not officially recognised, since Turkey most certainly would not allow it. But the victory and pressure the Armenian-Diaspora could evidently bring to reality created a Caucasus that was at least nominally united against ‘Russia’, a term now casually used among even political leaders as well as journalists and citizens, despite the continued recognition of Gaidar’s Administration as ‘the legitimate Russian government’.
The second conflict that was resolved was the Bosnian-Croat War, a segment of the Bosnian War. While the Serbs had been fighting both, and in a more existential fashion, certainly in Bosnia’s case, both had come to blows over the rights of Croats in Bosnia. Ultimately, the West’s main enemy in the struggle had always been the Serbians owing to their committing the lion’s share of atrocities, and naturally in having the most avowedly anti-West government, both nationalist and socialist. As such, the goal was to bash Croatia and Bosnia’s heads together to cook up a deal and get the two onside to stand up to Milosevic’s Pro-Russian Serbia. To that end, things ended up finally working out after President Tuđman purged the Bosnian Croat paramilitaries of opponents to a peace deal (after exceptionally stern American threats and guarantees to the new Croatian state). On February 2nd 1994, another piece of the puzzle came together, as Croatia and Bosnia finally put their differences aside. For a few days, there was genuine positivity with respect to the Balkans.
Then, on February 5th, a mortar exploded at Markale Market in Sarajevo. Nearly seventy people were killed in the deadliest attack on Sarajevo since the war began. It was somewhat hard to put a definitive seal of blame on the Bosnian Serb forces who had been besieging Sarajevo for years at that point, but it was certainly not unlike their modus operandi. The Bosnian Serb forces had engaged in what has since been regarded as a campaign of genocide in Bosnia against Bozniaks, the first in Europe since World War 2 and unfortunately not the last. Though there was no specific piece of information that could definitively confirm the perpetrators, with debate still raging to this day despite a general historical consensus based around Republika Srpska’s guilt, the need to do something was overwhelming. The West collectively needed to send a message to that its annexation in the Baltics would have consequences. While NATO had let the Bosnian Serbs away with a lot of atrocities, Republika Srpska had made the mistake of doing them after NATO had been embarrassed and was looking for revenge.
Transcript of Phone call between Bill Clinton and President Milosevic, February 6th 1994
Milosevic: “Yes, Mr President, what happened in Sarajevo was certainly a tragedy, but I am unconvinced by the evidence you have presented that the Republika Srpska army was responsible and request further investigation.”
Clinton: “Well, I’m afraid we’ll have to agree to disagree. But I do have something else for you.”
Milosevic: “What’s that?”
Clinton: “NATO has collectively agreed on a new set of peace terms for President Karadžić and General Mladić.”
Milosevic: “Mr. President, you know how I’ve tried to pull those fools back to reality and make them see reason. If it’s anything like Vance-Owens, I’ll be beating my head against a wall.”
Clinton: “I was figuring you’d say that, the good thing is it’s pretty simple. It goes like this: Unconditional Surrender.”
Milosevic: “...I’m sorry, I’m not sure if there’s been a translation error -”
Clinton: “I’m pretty sure there wasn’t, Mr. President. You can forget about Vance-Owens, or anything else. The only terms we offer are the ones we gave to Adolf Hitler: Unconditional Surrender.”
Milosevic: “...Unconditional Surr-?!”
Clinton: “Frankly a couple of the other NATO countries were telling me to take you out as well but I decided you’d get the message easy enough. Tell those two sons of bitches, and those sons of bitches in Krajina in Croatia too, that if they don’t surrender by 12:00AM on February 8th then Srpska and Krajina are going to war with the entire Western world. There’s nothing else to say. Goodbye President Milosevic, it wasn’t pleasant.”
Hangs up
Extract from Youtube Documentary, ‘NATO - An Unbiased History: Part 6’
NATO military personnel had built up considerably in the beginning of 1994 in preparation for the greatest act of humiliation in human history since three years ago in Iraq. Operation Mountain Freedom, the plan to bomb Republika Srpska and Krajina to destruction from the air and use the Bozniak/Croat forces to completely expel Serbian forces to within Serbia proper. This had a lot of doubts from cowardly unbelievers in the Western media, who feared that in the mountains of Yugoslavia it would be for the Serbs what the jungles had been for the Viet Cong. Plans were made to send NATO troops in Italy and Hungary into what had been Yugoslavia to finish the job if the Croats and Bozniaks were unable to. The Sixth Fleet patrolled the Adriatic and the biggest military force since Desert Storm arrived in Europe in preparation for the international equivalent of gangbang pornography. The fear of the political cost of ground casualties would limit the salvo to the air but those who believed in the one true military alliance knew it was enough.
Predictably, Milosevic’s pathetic attempts to negotiate with the West were laughed at. Even more predictably, Republika Srpska’s leadership was unmoved by the threats in a bravado that resulted from NATO’s prior inability to act. That the deadline was unanswered by the Bosnian Serbs was hardly a surprise, but even the most hardened Serbian veteran struggled to maintain their composure just after midnight on February 8th. The first NATO sorties destroyed all border checkpoints between Srpska and Serbia, blasted every command post they could find, and lit the hills by Sarajevo that had mercilessly shelled and sniped the Bozniaks down to their children indiscriminately for years in a blaze of cleansing fire. NATO struck the armies of evil with the force of a Greek God. But in the first hour, NATO already made their most devastating and hilarious blow, as one of their F-117 Nighthawks dropped a bomb directly on the command post that an overly confident General Mladić had been staying in. While Mladić had boasted that ‘Serbians are stronger than anyone short of God himself’, it appears they may have had a weakness for explosive munitions. Minutes later, President Karadžić would meet his maker for a brief moment before being sent to the deepest circle of Hell after his car was blasted off the road by a British fighter while he tried to flee into Serbia to escape the divine reckoning that was about to befall those who challenged NATO. Americans wept that they only took out one of the two people in Srpska that the average Westerner knew.
On the streets of Sarajevo itself, most had stayed up until late at night, hoping at last, at long last, there would be a light at the end of the accursed tunnel they’d been imprisoned in since 1992. Besieged from all sides, driven close to madness by Republika Srpska’s attempts at genocide, having to crawl through tunnels and sewers to cross the street, children needing to dodge sniper fire on their way to school, cut off from gas and electricity, almost everyone having seen or known someone who had been killed by the Republika Srpska army hiding in the hills and shelling and shooting and slaughtering everyone who couldn’t fight back, the catharsis was overwhelming. A whole city's worth of car horns like an unchained dragon rang out into the night. It was like how countries in normal times would applaud football victories, but still, they cried in glory and teary-eyed triumph, as their genociders were obliterated. All along the lines, the Bozniaks returned fire with might equal to their righteousness. They had already begun seeing Western weaponry appear in their units in 1993 as a result of Congressional funding, and now they were going to finally be used to full effect. From saying “Artillery!” in wonder at finally receiving supplies, to saying ‘Artillery!’ with fist-pumping triumph, the Bozniaks now knew with certainty that they would win the war. After its single darkest day, the light had come in the form of burning Serbian munitions, the lights of the NATO planes overhead, and a dawn sun that promised that from now on they could depend on this near divine-level of power to smite those who would return genocide to Europe. It was like Superman himself had flown in to save them - no, actually, Superman isn’t as powerful as NATO.
Extract from ‘The Wild East: How the Second Russian Civil War changed Europe’ by Ilya Shevchenko
The UN vote that followed would prove another win for the West, with the Russian Security Council seat-holders (the Kaliningrad government) and the Chinese both deciding to abstain from the vote. While China (and most of the Anti-West nations) recognized the NSF as the legitimate Russian government, that did not extend to helping them as much as its Communist members had hoped. This gave the West further diplomatic support for their efforts while support on the home front was solid, as a way of striking back at the Russians without risking nuclear war. Bosnia Hawks (chiefly Senator Biden who had been the Bozniaks’ loudest supporter in the Senate) were thrilled at NATO finally taking a decisive role and were equally thrilled at the rapidness of the Bozniak-Croat advance that not even the greatest of optimists in the Western camp expected. The bombing saw a strong upswing in Clinton’s approval ratings (and to a lesser extent Major’s, Kohl’s, and other NATO leaders). At the same time, Gaidar’s approval fell in Kaliningrad, as ancient notions of Russia being unable to ‘defend the Slavs’ (despite the Bozniaks being Slavs) did much to propagate the image of being a Western tool.
Decapitated and under day and night assault, Srpska and Krajina’s armies were pulverized. Every military asset outside the Serbian border was obliterated down to the horse-carts. Command structure vanished and it quickly became every man for himself. A refugee crisis of unprecedented proportions began as Bosnian Serb and Croatian Serb civilians in both Srpska and Krajina began to flee in fear of what the ‘Mujahadeen’ and ‘Ustache’ governments would do to them. To the surprise of outside observers, many in Serbia were actually angry at Srpska’s officials as much as the West, believing their own stupidity and rejection of the peace deal Milosevic had supported had led to this calamity. These feelings were not helped by the gigantic refugee crisis that flooded into Serbia that the Milosevic regime was completely unable to deal with. By the end of Summer, nearly one and a half million ethnic Serbs had fled to Serbia, an increase of roughly 10% to the population over only a few months. And of course, the sanctioned and destitute state of Serbia was ill-equipped to deal with the financial necessities and social tensions of the new refugee population, the sanctions unrelenting as Milosevic refused to hand over suspected war criminals from the Srpska and Krajina governments. It was this unenviable circumstance, accused of being a traitor by the militant nationalists and an abandoner of the Serb refugees by the empathetic nationalists, that Milosevic would be forced to kill two stones and come up with what would become known as ‘Operation Lazar’ in a last-ditch attempt to save his regime.
For the Bosniaks, it was a total triumph, with President Izetbegović announcing on July 3rd that the Siege of Srebrenica had been lifted, thus expelling the last Serb forces from the country. In the coming months, while the world looked on in horror at events in Russia, a unitary Bosnian state was established with limited Croat language rights in traditionally Croat cantons along the Adriatic. The White Flag with the Six Golden Lilly Shield flew over the skies of a free Sarajevo, and would fly at the NATO Headquarters in Brussels before the end of the Millenium. The Republic of Bosnia would be roughly three-quarters Bozniak, with most of the remainder being Croat, and most Serbs having lost since left. Similar events would occur in Serbian Krajina, where Croat forces had celebrated the conquest of what had once been ethnically Serbian territory before fleeing in the face of the Croat advance. Serbia would decry these events as ethnic cleansing but repeated investigations by the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia would ultimately result in acquittals for all generals involved in the conflict (with low-ranking commanders occasionally being prosecuted).
The reaction in Moscow to this loss of face was utter outrage. At the same time, with NATO, Bulgaria, Romania, and Ukraine all collectively refusing to allow the Russian army transit, there was nothing the NSF government could do except watch their ally meet total humiliation. Nevzorov would announce that NATO’s intervention in the Bosnian War would ‘Be met for a global tit-for-tat that a brothel like America would never have the balls to sustain.” This reflected the new mood inside the Moscow Government to find another part of the Post-Soviet world to put its teeth into and get the rally-round-the-flag effect that the annexations in the Baltics provided. And of course, the one dispute that had most enflamed Russian passion was precisely the one that the NSF intended to exploit. Conveniently for them, the locals were arranging a referendum just for the occasion. The time had come, Makashov told his Cabinet, to undo the mistake Khrushchev had made in 1954 and return Crimea to the Russian fold by seizing it from a disheveled Ukraine. But if Makashov had thought his attempt to seize Crimea would correct a great mistake, in due time, his actions would be perhaps the most devastating mistake Russia ever made in its existence.
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One of the bibles of the far-right written by some antisemitic shitbag.
The Turner Diaries - Wikipedia
I've read extracts of the Turner Diaries online - I was struck by how it reads like something a genuine serial killer would write. Something like 90+% of the global Gentile White population is killed in nuclear strikes but it's considered okay because they completely exterminated everyone else. The writer is somehow a bigger racist than pretty much everyone I'm aware of in the Nazi government, who at the microscopically least didn't think all 'non-Aryans' should be killed.
That's impossible, there's no way Russia could fail to fight Ukraine.
Wow, I said that with a straight face.
So it seems that the Second Civil War would be like those post Sino Soviet War Second Chinese Civil Wars.
But how will Ukraine nuke Russia?
Wasn't the launch only under Moscow's purveiw?
They could activate it manually, and bury it underground in the path of the Russian advance.
I mean do we know for sure Ukraine even needs to nuke whatever the Russian Army is calling itself now?
It almost sounds like the Russians are gonna shit the bed invading Ukraine nearly 30 years early and the factions of the NSF start to blame each other for the failure. Hell, the Russian Army couldn't even take Chechnya IOTL the first time around and with more instability and probably some purges, I wouldn't be surprised if they were somehow worse.
It almost sounds like the Russians are gonna shit the bed invading Ukraine nearly 30 years early and the factions of the NSF start to blame each other for the failure. Hell, the Russian Army couldn't even take Chechnya IOTL the first time around and with more instability and probably some purges, I wouldn't be surprised if they were somehow worse.
How would they activate it manually?
But would'nt it blast in Ukraine?
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Russians probably would still do badly altough not that badly as in 2022. But probably badly enough that NSF government will fall apart.
I don't know about manual launching but I doubt that they would detonate nukes on their own soil. But usage of nuclear weapons hardly is needful. And probably Ukraine would follow Soviet doctrine and not launch nukes unless enemy use them firstly or Ukrainian state is going to be destroyed.
I was thinking of nuclear retalian by "Russia" if Ukraine nukes"Russia".
But I'm sure that Crimea will be the cause of the military escalation of the civil war.
(Technically it began the day Yeltsin was overthrown, so yeah... the civil war is already ongoing.)
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