The Death of Russia - TL
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Hopefully it's just the alarms, and not the actual nukes
With the nuclear escalation of the civil war, what new tropes do we add to the TvTropes page of the TL:
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We're talking about a country that would literally rather believe that Russia rigged its elections to force a President they dislike on them than consider that citizens might have voted for that person voluntarily (even if many of them later admitted they were wrong to do it).
Rejecting the idea that an American right-winger's book inspired the author of the Russian nuclear holocaust is tame by comparison. Especially since it's a concept that already sounds absurd enough on its own, without the need for anyone to say anything.
What I think will happen is something like this:
- The information comes out that Barkasov relied on Turner's Diaries. Perhaps some journalist present in The Hague will publish it because he seems curious to him. Maybe one of the witnesses mentions it at the trial. It doesn't matter, the fact is that it comes out.
- "What the hell are the Turner Diaries?" as the most likely generalized reaction. The few who do know will speak up, the majority will probably dismiss the concept as ridiculous.
- It is possible that The Turner Diaries gain more sales from people who want to see if the book really talks about that. WLP is happy because it begins to make money with one of the worst written and evil books in the history of humanity.
- The very unpopularity of the book ensures that the idea that it somehow found its way to Russia and into the hands of the Nashist leader is regarded as utterly absurd. Anyone who insists that this is true is quietly brushed off as an agent provocateur or ridiculed as a fool who buys into Nashist propaganda.
-Dugin's own eccentricities and stupid ideas will be pointed out by everyone, especially right-wingers, as evidence that the Nashis are crazy (and therefore nothing they say is reliable), as well as that they didn't need to inspired by Turner Diaries to decide to do crazy things like that. To claim that someone in America, or in the West in general, may have inspired this horror, will be dismissed as mere psychological projection. And as additional proof of how crazy and disconnected from reality are those who create it. Needless to say, everyone will distance themselves from the Nashis and anyone who expresses an opinion other than the strongest condemnation will be crushed.
-Of course, there will NOT be a massive, immediate and extremely violent and virulent reaction against the western extreme right with the aim of destroying it at all levels. Let's remember that TTL Occidente has gone into denial mode "we have nothing to do with this, this is something that the Russians have done for themselves". The reaction will not be "Oh my god we have the monster in our midst and it has caused this disaster in Russia" but "Oh my god the Russian Nashists are inspiring our madmen."
- On the other hand, surely there will be a much more discreet intervention by the police forces. Not because they think "Barkasov was inspired by the Turner Diaries" of course. But because, looking at what has happened in Russia, the risk of Western neo-Nazis doing the same thing in the United States or any other Western country is simply unacceptable. The fact that TTL have shown that they can makes the idea of them actually trying to do it a real and terrifying possibility, rather than a delusional fantasy.
- The well will have been so poisoned by all this that any further evidence will be quietly ignored by people who have other concerns, or ridiculed as "a desperate attempt to prop up a propaganda campaign that is leaking everywhere."
- In fact, it is very likely that the issue will simply disappear from public consciousness, except when someone insists on trying to bring it back to light and is quickly squashed into silence. Hell, it might even be believed earlier that believers are agent provocateurs looking to destabilize the West or some such nonsense.
There could be an effort to get the Turner Diaries banned when that stuff gets into light. The US will not have a ban though there’ll be a huge public effort to make sure people don’t get a copy of it (unless it’s someone studying white nationalism with the intent of destroying it once and for all).
If this whole conflict was a fictional person, it would be Aerys II Targaryen.
Especially as even the (mostly) sane and reasonable Alexander Lebed has plans to nuke European Russia "without compunction" if either the Nashists or Stalinists attack him.
So does the OJ trial happen? If it does I think it’ll get swamped by the news in Russia.
Why not happen? In any case that's not notoriously than OTL but that's all
If the trial happens, news of a devastating war is going to distract everyone.
Of course. I just don't see any reason why the Russian civil war would cause the US courts to decide not to prosecute OJ.
You more or less answered your own question already. Even looking at it from a cynical POV, the total collapse of Russia is a far more "juicy" story than OJ killing his wife and going up and down LA in his Bronco. His trial is drowned out by around the clock coverage of the 2RCW and the chaos of a world seeming like its halfway down the shitter.
I imagine that the justice system is starting to be a mess due to a lot of people who would nominally get involved such as the jury and court officials refusing to show up due to not wanting to waste their supposed last days in legal disputes and as such "Right to a speedy trial" becomes "Right to wait in a DMV line" and you probably got lots of accused on a long ass wait list to get trial, either that or prosecutors are going extremely hard on plea deals to wrap things up. There might also be prison riots and demands for mass pardoning so that non-violent criminals or those whose sentences are nearing an end don't have to spend their last days in a cell. America was able to move on with life as normal because the Cuban Missile Crisis only took two weeks and for most of it, the situation wasn't screaming for immediate nuclear warfare which can't be stopped with diplomacy and deterrence. Here, America and the West have been hanging with the shadow of nuclear war over their heads for 2-3 years and there has been no reprieve with things getting worse as time passes on, that's going to mess up society big time and Millenials are going to carry that trauma for the rest of their lives.
I know One Piece and references to anime have already been mentioned, but going forward I imagine there's going to be a stark divide in terms of fiction. On the one hand you got the grimdark who cope with their trauma by pouring their experiences into art or literature as therapy by relating to their audience how they perceived the world and reminds future people that this happened and it can happen again. On the other hand you'll have escapist Noblebright literature where everything is wholesome and cheerful with likable characters and engaging plots that while difficult, are stories of triumph and victory with very optimistic themes so people can return to hope and be comforted after the shittiest decade in human history.
I know One Piece and references to anime have already been mentioned, but going forward I imagine there's going to be a stark divide in terms of fiction. On the one hand you got the grimdark who cope with their trauma by pouring their experiences into art or literature as therapy by relating to their audience how they perceived the world and reminds future people that this happened and it can happen again. On the other hand you'll have escapist Noblebright literature where everything is wholesome and cheerful with likable characters and engaging plots that while difficult, are stories of triumph and victory with very optimistic themes so people can return to hope and be comforted after the shittiest decade in human history.
The latter is probably going to be more popular. We can see right now from the popularity of ‘cosy games’, the more old-school Star Trek: Strange New Worlds etc., that when the world is in a bad way, people prefer optimism over pessimism.
Star Trek itself is probably going to be influenced by these events - AFAIK, Deep Space Nine and Voyager are already on air, so there won't be massive differences, but Enterprise will be an entirely different beast; maybe, the focus of the series, if it happens at all, will be on Earth in the years immediately after World War III and Cochrane's first FTL flight, depicting the reconstruction of the planet and Earth's developing relationship with Vulcan, with the series concluding with the construction and first flight of the Enterprise.
He pretty clearly said they were just alarms and reiterated multiple times before the final paragraph that no one was stupid enough (minus OBL) to try nuking the West, I don't know why everybody is wearing blinders so tenaciously >___>
(EDIT: not trying to sound pissy so nobody be offended please tyvm)
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I disagree with those comparing it to the denial that the US treatment of indigenous people (and western racism at large in other countries as well, let's not forget that) influenced the nazis (which is of course true).
In that case, it would require acknowledging your country did some awful shit, which is hard for many. In this case, however, it would be one lunatic people already hate that everyone could point at.
The idea that Americans will stand up for William Luther Pierce is borderline comical, and I say that as a leftist who is (to put it mildly) not a fan of US imperialism.
In that case, it would require acknowledging your country did some awful shit, which is hard for many. In this case, however, it would be one lunatic people already hate that everyone could point at.
The idea that Americans will stand up for William Luther Pierce is borderline comical, and I say that as a leftist who is (to put it mildly) not a fan of US imperialism.