Whatever is better than that hellhole of Nashi/stalinist Russia. It is just horrible starvation, diseases, war, death and destruction. It is like Hell on the Earth. Survivors will have severe PTSD and serious alcohol problem even worse than many OTL Russians. And most horrible thing is that this is going to affect even these generations who will born several years after the war. Civil war is always horrible thing. It is just often national tragedy which leaves deep scarves.
The Death of Russia - TL
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Whatever is better than that hellhole of Nashi/stalinist Russia. It is just horrible starvation, diseases, war, death and destruction. It is like Hell on the Earth. Survivors will have severe PTSD and serious alcohol problem even worse than many OTL Russians. And most horrible thing is that this is going to affect even these generations who will born several years after the war. Civil war is always horrible thing. It is just often national tragedy which leaves deep scarves.
The ones living in the FEK and in Ukraine/Belarus are the most lucky.
Beside leaders of ethnic republics Lebed, Nemtsov and Aksyuchits seems only one warlords who care at least in some dgree about their people.
Barkasov and Anpilov are just piece of shit who care about their own power and creation of their own personal cults. No matter if their people are starving and killed on insane war.
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At the rate things are happening, Chernobyl and Pripyat may be re-built and cleaned up before Moscow ever would.
The greatest irony was that Russian/Soviet Ambitions for dominance in geopolitics made them amass one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world. And that very arsenal, the biggest reason it was still relevant in geopolitics, prevented the World from stopping Russia's self destruction in this Timeline.
The greatest irony was that Russian/Soviet Ambitions for dominance in geopolitics made them amass one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world. And that very arsenal, the biggest reason it was still relevant in geopolitics, prevented the World from stopping Russia's self destruction in this Timeline.
Tbf I'd think we'd see novels and books about the western hired Mercs running through Russia at this point.
I think we're going to see a few nukes fly. What targets will they hit tho? Imagine both the fascists and communists both nuking their respective capitals out and at the end NATO has to go in to stop the war and see the devastation that is Russia.
At this point European Russia would be broken already. They're using chemical weapons at this point, and I think we'd see them use tear gas too just to make things for their adversaries more hard (I mean it's easy to buy).
I think we're going to see a few nukes fly. What targets will they hit tho? Imagine both the fascists and communists both nuking their respective capitals out and at the end NATO has to go in to stop the war and see the devastation that is Russia.
Ming777
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Honestly, those two ships may be worth selling to say India or someone else. Get rid of them from the drydocks so the Ukrainians can build more useful ships, civilian and military, as well as get more funding to move towards NATO standards of equipment.
I have a feeling that while Ukraine, Latvia, and Estonia may not get full membership at this time due to Russia's schemes prior to the collapse, b they may be aspiring members.
I also see a potential for Ukraine to work with India regarding military equipment depending how things pan out.
PS: One potential change for Star Trek by the mid 90s maybe something like the Cardassians suddenly undergoing civil war between the Detapa Council and Hardliners even as the threat of the Dominion loomed for Deep Space 9. The Detapa council becomes a rump state, while the Hardliners take over and even pushes toward Maquis space, only for Hardliners to undergo its own division which leads to a massive humanitarian crisis in the former Cardassian Union. For Voyager which started in 1995, I could see the potential of stories analogous to the chaos as the Russians collapsed.
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What a character! I am surprised I have not heard or read of mr Denard before.
"Order was slowly but surely returning to Siberia, despite the indescribable famine that had fallen upon the region that had already left millions dead." - some good news, if at a horrific cost.
"At the same time, the Mongolians finally decided the time to make a move in Buryat was now." - I suspect it's actually too late.
"Vladimir shot the old man in the head. He had survived Hitler, Stalin, the Cold War, even Barkashov, but the one who would finally kill him would be some middling KGB goon who would forget the old man’s existence by the end of the day." - and that highlights just how fecked up the Moscow front is.
"We had unleashed the demon of chemical weaponry. We had ours, the Fascists had theirs." - yup it only gets worse.
Question for @Sorairo - how is Europe coping with the disruption to the supply lines from Russia? I know there was a lot less in the 90's but as I recall there was some?
"At the same time, the Mongolians finally decided the time to make a move in Buryat was now." - I suspect it's actually too late.
"Vladimir shot the old man in the head. He had survived Hitler, Stalin, the Cold War, even Barkashov, but the one who would finally kill him would be some middling KGB goon who would forget the old man’s existence by the end of the day." - and that highlights just how fecked up the Moscow front is.
"We had unleashed the demon of chemical weaponry. We had ours, the Fascists had theirs." - yup it only gets worse.
Question for @Sorairo - how is Europe coping with the disruption to the supply lines from Russia? I know there was a lot less in the 90's but as I recall there was some?
My guess is that Germany’s going to be dropping any plans of shutting down nuclear power plants…
Really? Denard is a legend in the mercenary world, a total nutcase but an effective soldier of fortune.
I am sure this will be a quick victory for Lebed, especially with Shoigu's OTL record as Putin's Defense Minister and his horrendous corruption.
I am thinking about the fate of the Vladimir Lenin’s corpse in the Mausoleum where he might be cremated or buried as their building could be pulverized into debris as two-way war will be destructive?
What will happen to the corpse and regarding the fate of museum artifacts which would be smuggled out or either destroyed by heavy shelling?
I’m thinking that China is more likely to take numerous Russian refugees, especially in the fields of engineering, rocketry, and in the military to upgrade the equipment and use whatever leftovers of Russian technology when Russia collapses into bloody war with anarchy in the east of the Urals and intense destructive fighting in the west of the Urals.
What will happen to the corpse and regarding the fate of museum artifacts which would be smuggled out or either destroyed by heavy shelling?
I’m thinking that China is more likely to take numerous Russian refugees, especially in the fields of engineering, rocketry, and in the military to upgrade the equipment and use whatever leftovers of Russian technology when Russia collapses into bloody war with anarchy in the east of the Urals and intense destructive fighting in the west of the Urals.
Regardless of ethnicity, they wont consider themselves Russians after everything is over any more, than then the Austrians consider themselves German.
Or, in the case of Siberians, Americans consider themselves to be Britons.
The Sarin's already come out to play in Moscow so nukes aren't too far off. Lebed likely gets caught in the crossfire of a limited exchange within Russia that leaves European Russia a wasteland with warlord states the size of the average Oblast while Siberia gets off a bit light.
And as a final "f**k you", they also try to target Kaliningrad, Chelyabinsk, and Vladivostok as well.
Part 2: The Rebirth of Russia
If "The Death of Russia" is a grimdark tale of a collapse of a country, "The Rebirth of Russia" would be an optimistic tale of a well-meaning man wanting to reunite a country that everyone else has given up on.
The world has entered a Second Great Depression owing to the mass uncertainty following the world's largest nuclear power imploding. The supply lines being shut are the other major contributing factor.