The Death of Russia - TL

My new headcanon to make this make sense would be he got an English copy and was fluent in English, or had someone translate the whole thing for him.
Well, I doubt that he would speak English because Soviet schools usually taught German. So, I believe that someone has translated it to him. Anyway, maybe there is a way to ask him whether he can speak English and when he learned it.

P.S. I just learned that this guy has like... Six kids.
 
Well, I doubt that he would speak English because Soviet schools usually taught German. So, I believe that someone has translated it to him. Anyway, maybe there is a way to ask him whether he can speak English and when he learned it.

P.S. I just learned that this guy has like... Six kids.
Wondered how his kids ended up in this timeline.
 
Wondered how his kids ended up in this timeline.

When did his children were born? Considering that Barkashov was born in 1953 his children were pretty young and probably youngest one was still child so I assume that they were killed on same plane as their father or on some firestorms. And if his oldest children were old enough they might have served on nashi army and probably killed on some battle.

And if someone survives he/she might play some similar role as children of notable nazi leaders.
 
Honestly the Turner Dairies and its inclusion are kinda stupid and heavy handed. Putting American Neo-Nazis to the regiment just because its a fascist Nazi state does not make much sense. It would have made more sense if they got the idea of the US Manifest Destiny and the US wars and genocides of the native Indians since that is where Hitler got some of his ideas from and its widely known inside and outside of the US, rather than a specific American book not that well known outside of its own niche circle and those against said neo-Nazi groups.
 
Honestly the Turner Dairies and its inclusion are kinda stupid and heavy handed. Putting American Neo-Nazis to the regiment just because its a fascist Nazi state does not make much sense. It would have made more sense if they got the idea of the US Manifest Destiny and the US wars and genocides of the native Indians since that is where Hitler got some of his ideas from and its widely known inside and outside of the US, rather than a specific American book not that well known outside of its own niche circle and those against said neo-Nazi groups.
I completely agree and have voiced this complaint more than once. I have a hard time believing not only that this would somehow happen, but that the rest of the DOR world would somehow buy it to the extent of using it as an excuse to crush the Western far right HARD, as discussed several pages ago. I think it's more likely that this was simply dismissed as particularly stupid and evil anti-American propaganda.
 
And if someone survives he/she might play some similar role as children of notable nazi leaders.
All things considered they most likely got killed and assassinated considering how Russia feel apart suddenly which would have made it hard to have a similar situation to our own post-WW2 attack on Nazis/Nazism.
I completely agree and have voiced this complaint more than once. I have a hard time believing not only that this would somehow happen, but that the rest of the DOR world would somehow buy it to the extent of using it as an excuse to crush the Western far right HARD, as discussed several pages ago. I think it's more likely that this was simply dismissed as particularly stupid and evil anti-American propaganda.
Yeah I find the entire idea of the Western Far Right getting hit and not becoming a thing incredibly naive and more wish fulfillment. If anything the death of a white nation would have greatly seen a greater support for the white replacement theory in this TL considering a white state just ended up committing what amounts to mass death on itself. That and most of the talking points and major popularity occurred later on during the late 2010s which would have enough time to pass that the new generation does not have as much a connection to before.
 
Yeah I find the entire idea of the Western Far Right getting hit and not becoming a thing incredibly naive and more wish fulfillment. If anything the death of a white nation would have greatly seen a greater support for the white replacement theory in this TL considering a white state just ended up committing what amounts to mass death on itself. That and most of the talking points and major popularity occurred later on during the late 2010s which would have enough time to pass that the new generation does not have as much a connection to before.
I disagree hugely. If anything, I saw the Western Far right getting hit hard as making total sense. ITTL, millions of people died in nuclear fire thanks to Russian Fascism, and that's not counting the rape camps and all the other associated baggage.

Honestly, it made complete sense to me. TTL is an era when the Extreme Left and the Extreme Right literally came this close to ending all life on Earth. It follows that the era for the foreseeable future would be one where the far left and far right are eschewed, and where moderates and centrists are the ones who get and hold power.
 
I disagree hugely. If anything, I saw the Western Far right getting hit hard as making total sense. ITTL, millions of people died in nuclear fire thanks to Russian Fascism, and that's not counting the rape camps and all the other associated baggage.

Honestly, it made complete sense to me. TTL is an era when the Extreme Left and the Extreme Right literally came this close to ending all life on Earth. It follows that the era for the foreseeable future would be one where the far left and far right are eschewed, and where moderates and centrists are the ones who get and hold power.
Maybe for a short while but when shit hits the fan again centrists/moderates are going to have a difficult time holding it together.
 
Maybe for a short while but when shit hits the fan again centrists/moderates are going to have a difficult time holding it together.
I'd say it'd be at least 40 years or so before the extremists could see any kind of resurgence. And by then, who knows what might have happened.

I mean. It took a long time after WWII before hard rightism got popular again. And ITTL? We're in unprecedented territory. The world nearly literally ended.
 
Why 40? It's not like the massive lose of life happened in the west which is why I do not see the far left/right getting hit that hard. If anything it will only take about two decades considering our WW2 hit a far larger number of people and you still had those groups appearing shortly after.
 
Why 40? It's not like the massive lose of life happened in the west which is why I do not see the far left/right getting hit that hard. If anything it will only take about two decades considering our WW2 hit a far larger number of people
Twenty-two million people died in a single day. Multiple cities in the West were lost - Bordeaux, Calais. Multiple other cities such as Naples were only saved by sheer dumb luck and poor Russian missile maintenance. Even neutral countries like Ireland got hit.

It doesn't matter that the West got off comparatively lightly. The West still got hit. And it's a matter of record that it was a mix of utter courage by some and sheer dumb luck in other cases that it wasn't worse - heck, it literally says one nuke was stopped above New York seven seconds before it was too late. Again, this is an event that is utterly unprecedented. To say that the world would just shrug it off - especially when it was literal Fascists and literal Communists who were responsible, while also committing a gigantic act of genocide - is unrealistic in the extreme.
and you still had those groups appearing shortly after.
As fringes. It wasn't until recent years you had their ideas even approaching the mainstream, but we won't go into that since it'd be touching on current politics.
 
Why 40? It's not like the massive lose of life happened in the west
Some cities did get nuked though and considering how much Hiroshima & Nagasaki are brought up to this day I dont think that will be judt ignored
Plus the death scale could have been much larger, and likely would have if the narrative didnt shield the West for the most part from the nuclear exchange under the justification that the russian nuclear arsenal sucked arse and the american defense system(with that airburst barrier) is just that good, which would severely impact the way society would have developed moving forward
 
As fringes. It wasn't until recent years you had their ideas even approaching the mainstream, but we won't go into that since it'd be touching on current politics.
I was talking about the period of the 60s and 70s where large parts of the world had major protests riots and so on. At that point the left and right were as extreme if not more than now and that was shortly after one of the worlds largest war and a mass genocide. If anything the Russian civil war and the fallout would lead to major political changes as people deal with what they see as problems that caused the civil war in the first place.
 
The whole world was affected by 4/10. There's nothing unambiguous about it. And everyone knows who did it: the commies and nashists. The far-right and far-left.

With a true, undeniable example of just where those ideas lead to, something no nation on Earth was shielded from, how could those ideologies even remotely survive at anything but the most extreme fringes? For goodness' sake, the CCP changed its name to the Chinese Socialist Party. That's how great the impact has been.

To expect the whole world to just forget that in a few years is beyond ridiculous. 9/11 was inifinitely smaller in every meaningful way and its effects are still felt today.

The far-right and far-left are out of any position of influence for a long, long time.
 
Some cities did get nuked though and considering how much Hiroshima & Nagasaki are brought up to this day I dont think that will be judt ignored
Plus the death scale could have been much larger, and likely would have if the narrative didnt shield the West for the most part from the nuclear exchange under the justification that the russian nuclear arsenal sucked arse and the american defense system(with that airburst barrier) is just that good, which would severely impact the way society would have developed moving forward
This.

Again. The world came literally a hair's breadth away from Nuclear Armageddon. Russian Fascists literally launched a nuclear strike against the United States and the rest of NATO. The idea that the world would be anything like RL in its treatment of extremism is without any basis.

I was talking about the period of the 60s and 70s where large parts of the world had major protests riots and so on. At that point the left and right were as extreme if not more than now and that was shortly after one of the worlds largest war and a mass genocide.
Yeah, there were major protests, riots etc. Those were predominantly left-wing anti-war/anti-imperialism. Nazism and Fascism remained thoroughly fringe ideas at that time in the West. You're comparing apples with oranges.

The whole world was affected by 4/10. There's nothing unambiguous about it. And everyone knows who did it: the commies and nashists. The far-right and far-left.

With a true, undeniable example of just where those ideas lead to, something no nation on Earth was shielded from, how could those ideologies even remotely survive at anything but the most extreme fringes? For goodness' sake, the CCP changed its name to the Chinese Socialist Party. That's how great the impact has been.

To expect the whole world to just forget that in a few years is beyond ridiculous. 9/11 was inifinitely smaller in every meaningful way and its effects are still felt today.

The far-right and far-left are out of any position of influence for a long, long time.
This. 100%
 
You guys are aware that the story is unikely to be changed now that its published, right?
According to that same logic, all GOT threads should be closed and the people who comment on Martín's work should keep their mouths shut because "it is unlikely that history will change." Actually I would say that you're basically saying that no one should comment on a story as soon as a publisher gives it the OK...
 
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