The Death of Russia - TL

[Whiteshore]

Speaking of which, how would Siberia and the FEK be viewed historiography-wise in terms of the development of their national identities? I imagine there would very much be strong comparisons given ITTL amongst historians between how Siberia/the FEK became distinct nations from the rump Russia and how the residents of European settler colonies in the Americas and Australia became distinct peoples from the colonial metropoles with British, Spanish, and Portuguese colonists becoming Americans, Australians, Canadians, Mexicans, Argentinians, or Brazilians.

 

[Lalli]

Though I am curious if 'Nicholas III' even has children/grandchildren to carry on his title directly or will the Romanovs fall into in-fighting over the Russian throne upon his death since it was mentioned that he was quite old.

Nicholas III had daughters and oldest of them succeeded him. IIRC he was elected because he was oldest of these claimants altough even he was born several years after February Revolution. I don't remember was he born before or after establishment of Soviet Union anyway.

 

[Whiteshore]

Nicholas III had daughters and oldest of them succeeded him. IIRC he was elected because he was oldest of these claimants altough even he was born several years after February Revolution. I don't remember was he born before or after establishment of Soviet Union anyway.

He was born in 1920, when the White Army was still holding out in Crimea and parts of Siberia.

 

[MagicalPhantom345]

It just occurred to me that if the North Korean forces were able to take Vladivostok before the Far Eastern fleet arrived, it would have led a nuclear exchange between the Petrograd regime and mainland China, after the former Nuked North Korea over "The rape of Vladivostok".
How much devastation would have occurred in such a scenario?
Outside of Mongolia getting sparred, much to the worlds shock

 

[Mitridates the Great]

How would the historical perception of 1930s-1940s Nazi racial ideology that saw East Slavs as subhumans be ITTL? would people mock the Russian Neo-Nazis/Fascists even more than in IOTL, as history's biggest suicidal idiots, who tried to mimic an ideology that saw them as sub-human asiatics, and tried to genocide them and colonize their lands, though ironically, the Russian Nazis they succeeded in what the original German Nazis failed - destroy, divide, and genocide Russia.

Or would Nazi Germany's hatred of Slavs be intentionally downplayed, in an attempt to portray a direct link between Nazi Germany and NSF Russia?, with historians and pop culture focusing more on the Russian Nazi collaborators such as the post-1944 Russian Liberation Army, and pretending that Nazis didn't really hate Slavs, in a politicized attempt to show that Nazi Germany, its Russian collaborators, and pre-Barbarossa USSR were all equal powers allied in evil?, how would these images below make sense in that timeline?

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Probably a mix of both.

It will be said that the nashis demonstrate the extent to which fascism/Nazism is a stupid and suicidal ideology that has twice led to national suicide in the name of imposing a false and unattainable ideal of racial purity that never existed outside the minds of fanatics.

At the same time, it will be argued that Nazism and communism are not so different and that ultimately they are two faces of the same evil ideology based on hatred and the extermination of those who are different.

I doubt that Nazis will become popular on the rebound because of the hatred of communists that was discussed elsewhere in this thread, but it is also doubtful that there will be a mass reaction against anything that smacks of the far right in the West.

Rather it will be emphasized how these ideas are "evil Russian ideas, totally disconnected from the West", and that true patriots would reject like the shit they are.

 

[TickTock The Witch's Dead]

EDIT: The extended version of this timeline is now available on Amazon.

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Curious about the book with the extended version. What content will be on there that isn't on this TL?

 

[Sorairo]

Curious about the book with the extended version. What content will be on there that isn't on this TL?

Further elaboration on some of the wars that happened in the early 2000s.

 

[TickTock The Witch's Dead]

Further elaboration on some of the wars that happened in the early 2000s.

Speaking of which, I was curious if you had plans to make a sequel out of this.

 

[L'amateur d'aéroplanes]

@Sorairo Is there an automatic translation system for E-books on Kindle?

 

[Sorairo]

Speaking of which, I was curious if you had plans to make a sequel out of this.

I prefer not to make sequels, especially given the scale of my previous two timelines in wordcount that one would be required to get through in order to get to the sequel.

If I make another timeline, it'll either be centred around a Polish intervention during the Holodomor up to the end of WW2, or an alternate early 2000s with America at war simultaneously with all the Axis of Evil up to maybe the 2004 Presidential election + epilogue.

@Sorairo Is there an automatic translation system for E-books on Kindle?

My apologies but I'm not sure.

 

[Whiteshore]

If I make another timeline, it'll either be centred around a Polish intervention during the Holodomor up to the end of WW2, or an alternate early 2000s with America at war simultaneously with all the Axis of Evil up to maybe the 2004 Presidential election + epilogue.

On that note, maybe you could have it be put to a poll so us readers can have a say on what of your potential TL ideas you could do (and what us find most interesting), then?

 

[Sorairo]

On that note, maybe you could have it be put to a poll so us readers can have a say on what of your potential TL ideas you could do (and what us find most interesting), then?

https://alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/next-timeline-suggestions.546479/

Good idea, so I made this thread.

 

[paulpskordilis]

@Sorairo , in the aftermath of the disastrous collapse of Soviet Russia, how are Imperial Russia under the Romanovs and later the White movement during the Russian Civil War seen ITTL?

 

[Deus_Vult]

@Sorairo , in the aftermath of the disastrous collapse of Soviet Russia, how are Imperial Russia under the Romanovs and later the White movement during the Russian Civil War seen ITTL?

IIRC, at least in Eastern Europe, a direct line is being traced from Imperial Russia to 4/10.

Otherwise they were seen as a missed opportunity, a chance for Russia to correct its course, which, due to the Russian Revolution and victory of the Reds, was unrealized.

 

[TickTock The Witch's Dead]

Just curious Sorairo if you have any plans to sell the ebook besides Amazon. No offense but I find Amazon untasteful (won't go into it because Chat rules). Is there a more morally sound place to sell it on?

 

[Sorairo]

Just curious Sorairo if you have any plans to sell the ebook besides Amazon. No offense but I find Amazon untasteful (won't go into it because Chat rules). Is there a more morally sound place to sell it on?

I'm not aware of other self-publishing options - not sure I'm even allowed to if I've already published it on Amazon.

 

[Trevayne]

I'm not aware of other self-publishing options - not sure I'm even allowed to if I've already published it on Amazon.

Pretty sure you can publish it elsewhere unless your specific arrangement was for an Amazon exclusive. If it is available as a free to borrow book under Kindle unlimited, than it is probably Amazon exclusive, but I know of lots of authors doing Amazon, Nook, Kobo, Smashwords, etc.

 

[TickTock The Witch's Dead]

I'm not aware of other self-publishing options - not sure I'm even allowed to if I've already published it on Amazon.

Wow fuck Amazon. They really must wanna control you. Though the poster above me does have other options.

 

[paulpskordilis]

IIRC, at least in Eastern Europe, a direct line is being traced from Imperial Russia to 4/10.

Would Russian history from 1881-1996 be seen as the Russian people paying the ultimate price for the sins of the Tsars?

Otherwise they were seen as a missed opportunity, a chance for Russia to correct its course, which, due to the Russian Revolution and victory of the Reds, was unrealized.

Would Kolchak, Denikin, Wrangel, Yudenich and other leaders of the White Army be seen as heroes in this ATL?

 

[Pax_Nihil]

Would Russian history from 1881-1996 be seen as the Russian people paying the ultimate price for the sins of the Tsars?

Would Kolchak, Denikin, Wrangel, Yudenich and other leaders of the White Army be seen as heroes in this ATL?

As a Russian, we'd drink to forget about as much as we could and move forward because what else is there to do but march with the advancement of time?