Ok, since this is a important discussion I want to start, I'm going to summon the allmighty economist of the eastern bloc to help us to develop this, I call you @fasquardon ! Rise!
Now, everyone grab your soviet hat and your copy of Red alert 2, because we have a soviet scenario to idealize.
The first point: Stalin is out by 1925, this does not matters much, but it is important that the desaster of the soviet famine of 1932 and the whole Lysenkoist policy of ludism is removed from the scene (plus of course, he was too anti german for that). Without more delays, the objective of this scenario is for the soviet union to create a russian version of the ROA, that was the collaborationist soviet army. We know that in OTL many proeminent german comunists emigrated to the soviet union after the nazis took power in Germany, and so this is the basis the scenario:
On the late 1930s, maybe after the german-soviet invasion of Poland, yes, we are slaughtering some butterflies, but let's say that Bukharin, Trotsky, Kalinin or anyone who holds the power on this timeline soviet union is pragmatic enought for, on the soviet point of view, to agree to split eastern europe with the nazis to buy time for the final conflict against the evil nazi hordes. And so after the treaty the soviets begin to prepare their own "Free German army", led by german refugees, and start as a minimal force, somethign about 5 thousand people. When WWII starts, this soviet government is more sane than their OTL conterpart (and so while they ends destroying most of eastern europe like OTL, there are no literal prize batallions looting factories and wealth). The soviet union fares way better than the nazis, maybe they cannot even pass the dnieper, again, this is up for the discussion, but as more and more german prisioners of wars are captured, they are conscripted on the german liberation army, receiving soviet supply and equipment, while fighting under the flag of a "provisional" german government based in Moscow. The main questions are: How would this works? Who could lead this army? If the sixth army ends destroyed, could a captured Paulus be a Field Marshall of such a army? And the post war Germany, in OTL they only were allowed to create a army in 1949, with the Nationale Volksarmee. Can in this timeline the occupation of Germany, and the oder niesse line be softened, and result on a east Germany that is more like a soviet ally, than a soviet puppet?
What do you think?
Now, everyone grab your soviet hat and your copy of Red alert 2, because we have a soviet scenario to idealize.
The first point: Stalin is out by 1925, this does not matters much, but it is important that the desaster of the soviet famine of 1932 and the whole Lysenkoist policy of ludism is removed from the scene (plus of course, he was too anti german for that). Without more delays, the objective of this scenario is for the soviet union to create a russian version of the ROA, that was the collaborationist soviet army. We know that in OTL many proeminent german comunists emigrated to the soviet union after the nazis took power in Germany, and so this is the basis the scenario:
On the late 1930s, maybe after the german-soviet invasion of Poland, yes, we are slaughtering some butterflies, but let's say that Bukharin, Trotsky, Kalinin or anyone who holds the power on this timeline soviet union is pragmatic enought for, on the soviet point of view, to agree to split eastern europe with the nazis to buy time for the final conflict against the evil nazi hordes. And so after the treaty the soviets begin to prepare their own "Free German army", led by german refugees, and start as a minimal force, somethign about 5 thousand people. When WWII starts, this soviet government is more sane than their OTL conterpart (and so while they ends destroying most of eastern europe like OTL, there are no literal prize batallions looting factories and wealth). The soviet union fares way better than the nazis, maybe they cannot even pass the dnieper, again, this is up for the discussion, but as more and more german prisioners of wars are captured, they are conscripted on the german liberation army, receiving soviet supply and equipment, while fighting under the flag of a "provisional" german government based in Moscow. The main questions are: How would this works? Who could lead this army? If the sixth army ends destroyed, could a captured Paulus be a Field Marshall of such a army? And the post war Germany, in OTL they only were allowed to create a army in 1949, with the Nationale Volksarmee. Can in this timeline the occupation of Germany, and the oder niesse line be softened, and result on a east Germany that is more like a soviet ally, than a soviet puppet?
What do you think?