15 October 2015, Volodono, Imperial Russia
They set up for the second last interview of the series, the crew well practiced and the home large and comfortable.
Valentina Mozvoi: On 19th January 1943 the Germans occupied the rump of Hungary, arresting and replacing the Regent Horthy. This included Budapest. What was the effect of that?
Simon: We were right near the German border and had heard stories, about Jews, about what happened to Jews. We were protected until then. Of course, when the Germans came we were not sure whether we would survive or not. We knew we had to fight for real or flee. All I could do with a wife two small children was flee to the South-East. We believed we may be rescued by the British, the Russians, even the Romanians. Soon where we were staying at a village near the front line was surrounded, locals had tipped off the Germans. We did everything to destroy things that would work to our disadvantage, such as ID cards and birth certificates. All possible documents, because we knew it will work either to the advantage of the Germans, or else won’t do us any good.
Valentina Mozvoi: The German treatment of Jewish people was shocking. More than two million did not survive the war. And your experience at the hands of the Germans demonstrates just why so many died.
Simon: The first camp for us was situated next to Szolnok. There were fields in this area, and there was wheat. It was a vast open space that was then surrounded by the German soldiers. And under the open sky, with no barbed wire, only controlled with soldiers, the camp was then organised. There were about six thousand people in there, mostly Jewish. They were not fed and they were not given water during the first week, we could only get water from the river and there was no food at all. If anyone had some food with them, it remained the only supply they had. We had only sugar and some dried bread left, many had nothing. We were staying there, under the open sky, with no food and no water. In the second week, they threw boxes with food into the crowd. There were a few boxes with salted herring and there were a few with some dried foodstuff. So these boxes were thrown into the crowd, to be ripped in to pieces. They never considered us to be humans. They could kill us or beat us up for no reason. I saw it a few times, when the whole barrack, all the people who lived there, were beaten up practically to death. They were beaten up with sticks. They just never considered us humans. Not at all.
Valentina Mozvoi: Then Simon was transferred to another POW camp for Jewish prisoners near Dresden. And here his life took a seemingly impossible turn – and deteriorated still further.
Simon: It was even worse there, more people, about one hundred thousand people, mostly but not all Jews. And we all sat under an open sky, there was nowhere to hide. What we tried to do is during the night time was we dug holes in the ground and tried to sleep there, because they were shooting at us all the time, to stand too long was to risk being shot. We had lice in this camp, and therefore many caught typhus, those that did not freeze or starve. Lice were a problem. Somebody’s head could simply move because of them. And if you’d lie on the ground, then the ground would move afterwards, when you get up. We spent about a month there, the rest of winter. There were many rats around and there were times when you would catch a rat by the tail, the rat it starts biting your hand. You would hit that rat, but it won’t let go, you strike it until it dies. Then you would get a piece of meat which you could cook and eat. This proves how hungry we were. And this is where the some cases of cannibalism started to take place. This was all because of hunger and feeling completely hopeless. People had to get food somehow, and some went as far as cannibalism. I couldn’t possibly imagine that even the conditions we had in this camp would ever make me do that, would ever make me allow myself to do that.
Valentina Mozvoi: The plight of the Jewish had another tragic dimension – beyond the story of their appalling mistreatment in captivity.
Simon: In April, they split the camp, “non productive” people moved out by train. My son had already died, I never saw my wife and daughter again. They moved us again to a work camp further inside Germany, then West again in September. We had to walk the last transfer from Bremen to near Essen. Most died, those that dropped out were simply shot. I’m not sure how I survived. Eventually the guards simply left one day. I stayed at the camp, where else was there to go? Two days later a British officer arrived, he told me the war was over, that Hitler had been assassinated almost a month before yet we had known nothing of it.
Valentina Mozvoi: What happened post war?
Simon: Well of course the major occupiers of Germany and Hungary were the United Kingdom, the United States, Italy and Russia. I was in the British Zone, but after medical treatment eventually made my way when back to Budapest in the Russian Zone to try and search for my wife and daughter. This required an immense amount of paperwork and time. There were displaced people everywhere. There was nothing to find for me. Eventually I followed a friend- he wanted to go to Palestine but could not afford it. He had heard land was being made available to Jews in was then Kalingrad Special Oblast and that, even though there was numerous delays and permits required, transport was free. I settled near Volodino, obtained a job as an accountant. It’s not like there was anything in Hungary, only bad memories. I eventually remarried, as you know, some 10 years later. I had a son later in life. Eventually two beautiful granddaughters, although one lives in St Petersburg, sad to say. I don’t see her as often as I would like.
Valentina Mozvoi: Thank you Grandfather.
Jurgen followed her outside. “Fuck, I’m sorry”. “What do you have to apologize for, you have done nothing wrong. It’s all a long time ago, but for me, the connection remains. My father was born in 1956, over ten years after the war. Since it overtook the U.K in the 1980's Germany is Russia’s greatest trading partner, it’s all history now."
Come on, I want you to meet my grandfather.”