The Congo under any other power

I'm still trying to figure out a good way to have a British Mozambique. I'm thinking the consitutional crisis in Portugal in the 1820s (I think it was then?) results in a smallscale revolution with some incredibly radical effects, such as the new leader, a dictator calling himself 'Emperor', blaming Britain for the sub-par status of Portugal and ending the ancient alliance.

As punishment, the British annex Mozambique and East Timor, as well as all of Portuguese India except Goa.
 
I'm still trying to figure out a good way to have a British Mozambique. I'm thinking the consitutional crisis in Portugal in the 1820s (I think it was then?) results in a smallscale revolution with some incredibly radical effects, such as the new leader, a dictator calling himself 'Emperor', blaming Britain for the sub-par status of Portugal and ending the ancient alliance.

As punishment, the British annex Mozambique and East Timor, as well as all of Portuguese India except Goa.

Good idea, but it would require a full-scale war. Portugal wouldn't like to be "punished". Moreover, that would probably mean a more bloody brazilian independance, and with a much more outspoken British support.


You can have those places given to Britain for the help offered against Napoleon. The Portoguese didn't care much of any of those areas in 1808, or in 1815.

Why do you need a British Timor Leste? Britain is very likely to give it to the Dutch if she acquires it prior of 1824, maybe exchanging it with Dutch Gold Coast or Dutch India (or Suriname, why not).
 
Don't necessarily need it, but they occuppied the Dutch East Indies during the Napoleonic Wars, right? Dutch India doesn't exist. After Napoleon, the British still annex the same territories regardless. I need my POD in 1815, which is my starting point.

Anyway, Portugal, even after the small coup d'etat, is in no way capable of going to war with Britain.
 
Dutch India doesn't exist. After Napoleon, the British still annex the same territories regardless. I need my POD in 1815, which is my starting point.

Actually Dutch India did exist. It even got returned after the Napoleonic wars. Only in 1825 the Dutch and British made a deal were Dutch India was sold/exchanged to Britain.
 

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If Leopold didn't get Congo it would probably have been split up, and the Portuguese would have got those parts that were the old Kingdom of Congo, while other powers would split the rest between them.
 
Don't necessarily need it, but they occuppied the Dutch East Indies during the Napoleonic Wars, right? Dutch India doesn't exist. After Napoleon, the British still annex the same territories regardless. I need my POD in 1815, which is my starting point.

Anyway, Portugal, even after the small coup d'etat, is in no way capable of going to war with Britain.

The Brits occupied all Dutch Indies in 1810, and gave them back in 1816. Some controversial matters were settled by the Anglo-Dutch treaties, one in 1824 and another later, both based on the principle that the Dutch were giving up places elsewhere and strengthen their paramount position in Indonesia. So I see likely that Britain would give them Timor for something else.
Btw: the Portuguese had nominal possessions in Indonesian islands other than Timor, like Flores and nearby islands (Portuguese is still in use there today), that they sold to the Dutch around 1840 IIRC. But they actually did not control those places very much, so they were happy to sell little more than a claim.
In this scenario however thing might differ.
Of course Portugal is not able to go at war with brtain, but still it would if the Brits outright invade and grab parts of its empire. Especially if it happens during the brazilian crisis of thereabouts, and even more so if there's an anti-British dictator at the top (it sounds like such a dictator will not rule for long).
 
Of course Portugal is not able to go at war with brtain, but still it would if the Brits outright invade and grab parts of its empire. Especially if it happens during the brazilian crisis of thereabouts, and even more so if there's an anti-British dictator at the top (it sounds like such a dictator will not rule for long).

Well, no, the dictator wouldn't be in power for long. As soon as his fumbling around causes the empire to break apart then the people aren't going to be happy with him.
 
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