The Confederacy
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Absolutely none of these people seem to be of any significance to me. Seriously, i am like "Who the hell are these guys?"
I am finding it incredibly hard to believe that any Confederate election post-civil war would not have a General on the ticket such as Longstreet, Richard Taylor, John C Breckenridge, or hell, even Fitzhugh Lee. These guys should be front and center. Generals, political generals and politicians from the Civil War, people who made themselves well known.
In the 80's or 90's and beyond i can believe that less well-known people would come into being. But not in the 70s so soon after the Civil War.
"with an exception of a small outburst during the Revolution"
Oh, I will be eagerly awaiting this event.
I imagined the Revolution is what the Confederacy call the Civil War?
Toombs's history mirror Grant's: both became more and more drunk because of political difficulties.
Likewise, a Democratic Congress stopping Reconstruction in the South looks like OTL.
More seriously, how the Confederate Supreme Court (SCOTCS) will rule on the remeaining Reconstruction decisions, on Indian rights, or in the equivalent of the Insular Cases?
(There is here a study on the differences between the CS constitution and the US constitution)
And, given the tensions, and the fact Forrest's Night Raiders were able to lynch 72 persons without any opposition from authority, even though some of them were white and other were slaves with powerful owners, I can see several violent insurrections across the Confederation, involving poor Whites, revolted slaves and Night Riders.
Likewise, a Democratic Congress stopping Reconstruction in the South looks like OTL.
More seriously, how the Confederate Supreme Court (SCOTCS) will rule on the remeaining Reconstruction decisions, on Indian rights, or in the equivalent of the Insular Cases?
(There is here a study on the differences between the CS constitution and the US constitution)
And, given the tensions, and the fact Forrest's Night Raiders were able to lynch 72 persons without any opposition from authority, even though some of them were white and other were slaves with powerful owners, I can see several violent insurrections across the Confederation, involving poor Whites, revolted slaves and Night Riders.
Slavery
Sounds like the sleeping giant is about to become the roaring lion. How are the other North American states handling industrial slavery or industrialization? Anything like the Gilded Age OTL? How does Europe view the continuance of slavery in the Confederacy?
Sounds like the sleeping giant is about to become the roaring lion. How are the other North American states handling industrial slavery or industrialization? Anything like the Gilded Age OTL? How does Europe view the continuance of slavery in the Confederacy?
Yet another fantastic update: the posts really look like real articles of a historical review.
First, I would like to ask how some Virginia free blacks are able to vote if Dred Scott is still good law in the Confederacy; second, some states made it illegal to abuse slaves OTL (but these laws weren't really enforced).
And the Forrest's Night Riders could be the seeds of a Southern *fascism - I use the term loosely to describe any authoritarian and racist-supremacist ideology -, while the Confederate Anti-Slavery Society and the Free Republicans might be the craddle of a future socialist current in the Confederate politics; these two strains of thought might be involved in the future Revolution.
First, I would like to ask how some Virginia free blacks are able to vote if Dred Scott is still good law in the Confederacy; second, some states made it illegal to abuse slaves OTL (but these laws weren't really enforced).
And the Forrest's Night Riders could be the seeds of a Southern *fascism - I use the term loosely to describe any authoritarian and racist-supremacist ideology -, while the Confederate Anti-Slavery Society and the Free Republicans might be the craddle of a future socialist current in the Confederate politics; these two strains of thought might be involved in the future Revolution.
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So Virgina is basically a Confederate Readjuster state right now? Obviously relative of course.
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The favorable treatment of blacks didn't come from altruism haha it came from the fact that Virginia supplied slaves to the deep south and we're their main "crop" so to speak. By this time their souls were relatively exhausted and they could not compete with the deep southern states BUT their benefit to having less work was their slaves living and producing much longer than say the sugar cane workers in Louisiana.
Virginia also had the mixed race elite aligned to their related upper class families who to some extent protected them whe even acknowledged but that isn't unique to Virgina at all.
Return
Has anyone in the new American states suggested deporting or shipping the blacks to Liberia? Have the Freeman or Abolitionists started anything like a 'Return' movement?
Has anyone in the new American states suggested deporting or shipping the blacks to Liberia? Have the Freeman or Abolitionists started anything like a 'Return' movement?
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You would have to have it forced and if it went to that point you'd have all out war.
Good update.
I would have thought that Savannah, Georgia should have had large numbers of immigrants too.
http://irishamerica.com/2006/10/americas-other-irish/
I would have thought that Savannah, Georgia should have had large numbers of immigrants too.
http://irishamerica.com/2006/10/americas-other-irish/
Good - but how did you manage to write two updayes in less than one week.
Why did the Secretary of State sent such an disparaging answer to Maximilien's response, thereby ensuring the cooling of the links between one of the few local economical and political allies, and endangering the Confederate investments in Mexico, especially during the 1881 bank runs?
Given the drop in cotton prices will let them be less an asset to European powers, preserving allies in the region will have been a good idea, and especially since they appear to be the last to actually want to keep slavery forever, as evidenced by Pryor v. Virginia - I would like to know how Pryor argued for his legal standing to sue Virginia.
Apparently, the Confederacy is trying to send West inhabitents from the liberal towns, but is making the Natives angry because of the hold-up on their land.
In fine, the Confederacy had locked itself in a conundrum, whose only resolution is a revolution.
Why did the Secretary of State sent such an disparaging answer to Maximilien's response, thereby ensuring the cooling of the links between one of the few local economical and political allies, and endangering the Confederate investments in Mexico, especially during the 1881 bank runs?
Given the drop in cotton prices will let them be less an asset to European powers, preserving allies in the region will have been a good idea, and especially since they appear to be the last to actually want to keep slavery forever, as evidenced by Pryor v. Virginia - I would like to know how Pryor argued for his legal standing to sue Virginia.
Apparently, the Confederacy is trying to send West inhabitents from the liberal towns, but is making the Natives angry because of the hold-up on their land.
In fine, the Confederacy had locked itself in a conundrum, whose only resolution is a revolution.
Thoughts
1. Sounds like owning slaves may soon become a province of the well to do like have live in servants in the UK, France and other European countries. Lower class whites and immigrants will have little sympathy for defending an institution that they will never take a part in and are possible competitors for jobs.
2. What happens to the slaves in agriculture when mechanization begins to be applied in the CSA and the other American states or Europe?
3. With the fear of an 'uprising' or 'foreign agents' the domestic police and military agencies could justify more funding in the future.
4. What is good for GMRC is good for the Confederacy. Expect them to use their influence in elections in the future.
This Confederacy is beginning to sound like OTL Pakistan.
1. Sounds like owning slaves may soon become a province of the well to do like have live in servants in the UK, France and other European countries. Lower class whites and immigrants will have little sympathy for defending an institution that they will never take a part in and are possible competitors for jobs.
2. What happens to the slaves in agriculture when mechanization begins to be applied in the CSA and the other American states or Europe?
3. With the fear of an 'uprising' or 'foreign agents' the domestic police and military agencies could justify more funding in the future.
4. What is good for GMRC is good for the Confederacy. Expect them to use their influence in elections in the future.
This Confederacy is beginning to sound like OTL Pakistan.
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