What about a Maple leaf on the American stripes, since the POD is the annexation of Canada?
The Colossus Of The New World - a worldbuilding project
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Alright, fixed that. Sorry about that! I like the Colossus symbol, also!
I should have thought to ask you, seeing as your "Nobody Expects The Spanish Revolution" TL prominently features exactly this kind of logo. The collossus looks pretty good. Might I suggest a simplified one or even a silhouette. I can make that if you want, and we can see how it looks. Either @mikroraptor or I can make their maple leaf idea, and we can see how they all compare to each other.
I have a simplified Colossus here actually:
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Amazing. It sounds much better. I love it. Thank you.
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Thanks. I didn't make it myself though (I wish I was that good at graphic design), I found a free to use clipart and (somewhat painfully) got rid of the background.
@Bennett do you think that the flag of Shasta would be based on the Californian flag or completely original (I've jumped from Germany to a Shasta wikibox because the California post got me thinking about it)? If it were not based on the Californian flag, I assume it would feature stars or a star or a few stars, Not sure what symbols and colors. I think yellow is likely, due to the deserts of OTL Nevada and of course the gold that inspired the annexation in the first place. Maybe red or green as secondary colors.
In case anyone is wondering why I said what I did about India, it is because the American Revolutionary wars being on a larger scale ITTL would mean that the British could not focus on India, meaning the Anglo-Mysore wars go better for Tipu.
How much better, would you say? Mysore was fighting on 4 fronts. Maybe a princely state or protectorate of Mysore that roughly maintains its pre war borders (maybe ceding some things, like the lands it holds across the periyar river to Travancore, the areas around Gajendragad and Kurnool to Hyderabad etc.)? That could change how Southern india looks post independence in an interesting way. Or do you think the French would have the resources to help out (this seems unlikely to me, but I'm no expert)? Something else?
I'm not entirely sure, to be honest. Yellow would definitely be in there (even if not for the gold, for the California poppy that has been associated with California since the late 19th-century). I could also perhaps see it carry elements from Nevada and maybe even Mexico.
If we're going with Nevada, we could very likely incorporate gray into its designs (see the old Flags of Nevada). Further, the design likely has to be distinctive, as its a coastal state and therefore has its own navy, and the Lone Star Flag would have still been flown over the region, as per real life (the flag was one of a Californio-based declaration of independence in the 1830s, which would still have occurred ITTL).
mmmmmmm not necessarily. Mysore wasn’t fighting the Nizam and Travancore in the Second Anglo-Mysore War, which was only a stalemate because the British weren’t fighting the Americans then.
The French greatly helped Mysore, though after they capitulate in TTL’s Napoleonic Wars, they’d have to find a new ally- maybe the Ottomans? Prussia? America?
The Mysoreans had rockets, perhaps they could give them to one of these countries in exchange for help.
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I was thinking about the lone star flag. Since I'm going with "gold and silver state" as an official nickname (maybe golden hill state but probably the former), maybe yellow with a grey vertical stripe with one or a few red stars on it?
So you're saying Mysore might survive as an independent state considerably longer tan OTL, at least into the early or mid 1800s? This could greatly change Britain's colonization of India. Interesting. I doubt there's much of a market for allies in Europe, maybe the Ottos depending on how willing they are to mess with Britain. Maybe they perceive them as weak after the revolution? Though IMO the Ottomans probably still would not want to directly confront the Brits and instead send weapons and other resources to Mysore.
Great, I think your version is better!
Maybe instead of a Statue of Liberty, ITTL there's a Colossus of Liberty on Ellis Island?
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United States of America - State Map
Map of all US States and Territories, with abbreviations
[note: The flag has 53 stars . 1 for each state and 1 for all of the territories collectively.]
[note: The flag has 53 stars . 1 for each state and 1 for all of the territories collectively.]
All the abbreviations can be found below.
States:
- Alabama AB
- Alaska AK
- Arkansas AR
- Assiniboia AS
- Canada CA
- Comancheria CM
- Connecticut CT
- Cheyenne CY
- Chinook CK
- Dakota DA
- Delaware DE
- Florida FL
- Georgia GE
- Illinois IL
- Indiana IN
- Iowa IO
- Kansas KA
- Kentucky KY
- Laurentia LR
- Louisiana LS
- Maine MN
- Manitoba MB
- Maryland MD
- Massachusetts MA
- Michigan MC
- Mississippi MS
- Missouri MR
- Nova Scotia NS
- New Hampshire NH
- New Jersey NJ
- New York NY
- Nimipu NI
- North Carolina NC
- Ohio OH
- Okanogin OK
- Ontario ON
- Oregon OR
- Pennsylvania PA
- Platte PL
- Rhode Island RI
- Sabine SB
- Saint Jean SJ
- Saskatchewan SK
- Shasta ST
- Sherman SM
- Shoshone SH
- South Carolina SC
- Tennessee TE
- Vermont VE
- Virginia VI
- Wisconsin WI
- Yuta YU
- Athabasca AT
- Keewatin KW
- Labrador LB
- Nunatsiak NU
- Ungava UN
District of Philadelphia PD
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Just to give everyone an idea of what to expect from me next: I want to do some work on North America (finish my Shasta wikibox and maybe flesh out internal borders for Mexico and Newfoundland), if nobody does it before me, I intend to take a deeper look at German unification after that, and then I plan to finally dive into the region I'm from, the Balkans (during and after the war of German unification).
This is not in any particular timeframe, just what I have in mind. If someone comes along with good ideas for any of this before I finish my stuff, they can take one of these tasks from me (except the Balkans. The Balkans are mine, my own, my preciousssss! Unless there's a 19th century Balkan history expert ready to bust out some good stuff).
This is not in any particular timeframe, just what I have in mind. If someone comes along with good ideas for any of this before I finish my stuff, they can take one of these tasks from me (except the Balkans. The Balkans are mine, my own, my preciousssss! Unless there's a 19th century Balkan history expert ready to bust out some good stuff).
@mikroraptor do you want me to make your idea for the TL logo? Do you want to do it? Should we just go with this one?
Also, I was reading your Germany post again. I liked a lot of the ideas in there, particularly the German republic's internal borders and the idea of Austria collapsing in a civil war rather than being carved up by external forces. Since I was working on some Germany stuff, I wanted to ask you a few things on that topic.
Do you have Prussia going against the revolutionaries? Fighting the same enemies separately? I'm at a bit of an impasse when it comes to the role of Prussia as I (and I think most people here, including you) want to avoid Prussian domination of German politics but their massive territory, as per our post-Napoleonic maps, and military prowess make them a key player in any German unification.
I believe your start for the revolution is somewhat similar to what I was thinking of, wherein Austria (TTL slightly more focused on German affairs due to its diminished role and lack of vested interests in Italy, and like OTL fiercely opposed to nationalist (independence and unification) and liberal movements that it fears could inspire revolts in its borders) is too heavy handed with German liberal and nationalist groups and pushes the German population over the edge. Does this sound roughly good?
Finally, Schleswig-Holstein. You show it as German. This would require war with Denmark. A war in which Russia and German allies fight France, Austria, and Denmark would certainly remind people of the TTL version of the Napoleonic wars, which is an interesting possibility. There are problems with fighting Denmark so the German revolutionary leaders are unlikely to do it at least initially, though the Danes might launch a preemptive attack on the German revolutionaries or be dragged in by revolts in S-H or there could have been a war before this where the S-H was taken by a German state.
What do you (and anyone else who wants to share their thoughts) think about these massive points.
Also, I was reading your Germany post again. I liked a lot of the ideas in there, particularly the German republic's internal borders and the idea of Austria collapsing in a civil war rather than being carved up by external forces. Since I was working on some Germany stuff, I wanted to ask you a few things on that topic.
Do you have Prussia going against the revolutionaries? Fighting the same enemies separately? I'm at a bit of an impasse when it comes to the role of Prussia as I (and I think most people here, including you) want to avoid Prussian domination of German politics but their massive territory, as per our post-Napoleonic maps, and military prowess make them a key player in any German unification.
I believe your start for the revolution is somewhat similar to what I was thinking of, wherein Austria (TTL slightly more focused on German affairs due to its diminished role and lack of vested interests in Italy, and like OTL fiercely opposed to nationalist (independence and unification) and liberal movements that it fears could inspire revolts in its borders) is too heavy handed with German liberal and nationalist groups and pushes the German population over the edge. Does this sound roughly good?
Finally, Schleswig-Holstein. You show it as German. This would require war with Denmark. A war in which Russia and German allies fight France, Austria, and Denmark would certainly remind people of the TTL version of the Napoleonic wars, which is an interesting possibility. There are problems with fighting Denmark so the German revolutionary leaders are unlikely to do it at least initially, though the Danes might launch a preemptive attack on the German revolutionaries or be dragged in by revolts in S-H or there could have been a war before this where the S-H was taken by a German state.
What do you (and anyone else who wants to share their thoughts) think about these massive points.
First off, I think that the Colossus logo looks awesome! Though I'm not sure about the "Colossus of Liberty" idea.
Regarding Prussia, I was thinking that they were trying to do the OTL "blood and iron" unification, but more slowly, due to increased Franco-Austrian meddling. When the revolution came, Prussia was surrounded by enemies, and after large defections to the revolutionary cause, ("Germans shouldn't fight against Germans"), perhaps a compromise is reached, with the figurehead monarchy being Von Hohenzollern, and the capital being in Berlin?
Your description of the causes of the revolution is spot on. And I think that @Bennett is correct that the Rhineland would be the core of revolutionary activity.
As for the Schleswig question, I was thinking that the region would be annexed later on, possibly after the Great European war?