The Code Geass Scenario

In Code Geass the American revolution failed thanks to treachery from Ben Franklin. This keeps the American colonies under British Rule. During the Napoleonic wars, Napoleon had invaded Britain successfully and annexed it to his Empire. When this happened the British Government relocated to the American colonies, where it re-established the Continent as Britania.

Those of you who are fans of Code Geass know the rest of the story.

How likely is any of that? It is one thing to stop the American Revolution, but for Napoleon to conquer Britain, and then relocate to the Americas. Is this likely under any non ASB situation.
 
In Code Geass the American revolution failed thanks to treachery from Ben Franklin. This keeps the American colonies under British Rule. During the Napoleonic wars, Napoleon had invaded Britain successfully and annexed it to his Empire. When this happened the British Government relocated to the American colonies, where it re-established the Continent as Britania.

Those of you who are fans of Code Geass know the rest of the story.

How likely is any of that? It is one thing to stop the American Revolution, but for Napoleon to conquer Britain, and then relocate to the Americas. Is this likely under any non ASB situation.


Well according to the Code Geass Wiki and the editors, in CGTL by the time Napoleon invaded Britain, Russia and Germany had joined the European Universe. This means that France (Also part of the EU) would have no enemies to the East to fight and thus could put every military resource into invading Britain. Seems probable to me.

What DOES seem ASB is Franklin betraying the US.
 
I presume you mean to leave out the parts about the US evolving into the love child of Imperial Britain, the Byzantine Empire and Nazi Germany, and subsequently attempts to conquer the world with an army of giant robots?
 
Napoleon's Empire could never have lasted, it had no signs of longevity. Eventually, even given a successful conquest of Europe, it would have crumbled under popular pressure. You can't have a man ride the waves of popular rule and republicanism (of sorts) and then crown himself as an absolute ruler and expect his rule to last forever - the French were essentially kept happy by the optimism and joy that came from Napoleon's conquests. Eventually either the huge economic and social problems will cause the dethroning of Napoleon, or his successor - even worse for his successor as, especially given Napoleon's stomach tumour, or whatever it was, his son would have been too young to take power properly and would have had to have been a miracle to be as good at being Napoleon as Napoleon was. Eventually it will all crumble, and when it does, French control of Britain will crumble. When this happens, the British royals would go all-out to reclaim the British Isles, and this would arguably happen before any American "Britannia" effect could properly occur.
 
Firstly, vot about ze butterflies? Sure, a revolution in France is probably still going to happen, but it could create a constitutional monarchy without bloodshed, or be crushed at Valmy or whatever.

Well according to the Code Geass Wiki and the editors, in CGTL by the time Napoleon invaded Britain, Russia and Germany had joined the European Universe. This means that France (Also part of the EU) would have no enemies to the East to fight and thus could put every military resource into invading Britain. Seems probable to me.

What DOES seem ASB is Franklin betraying the US.

Union, not universe.

Anyways, if the "European Union" is the Napoleonic system of alliances and vassals, Germany and Russia were already in it, and Russia still has the same motivation to leave it: the Continental System. Which will be tighter, if Britain can control America's trade with Europe.

The army Napoleon took to Moscow was a tremedous display of overwhelming military power.

But they couldn't swim. Very few people could back then.

All the land military resources in the world can't do jack shit for Napoleon.

And finally, when Benedict Arnold was saving your arses at Saratoga, people probably thought it would be pretty bizarre for him to change sides. But yeah, it is a wierd PoD. My favourite for a military victory in the ARW is to nab Washington and more of his men after Long Island and before the DoI, but really, I'm dubious as to whether any military solution was viable.

Napoleon's Empire could never have lasted, it had no signs of longevity. Eventually, even given a successful conquest of Europe, it would have crumbled under popular pressure. You can't have a man ride the waves of popular rule and republicanism (of sorts) and then crown himself as an absolute ruler and expect his rule to last forever - the French were essentially kept happy by the optimism and joy that came from Napoleon's conquests. Eventually either the huge economic and social problems will cause the dethroning of Napoleon, or his successor - even worse for his successor as, especially given Napoleon's stomach tumour, or whatever it was, his son would have been too young to take power properly and would have had to have been a miracle to be as good at being Napoleon as Napoleon was. Eventually it will all crumble, and when it does, French control of Britain will crumble. When this happens, the British royals would go all-out to reclaim the British Isles, and this would arguably happen before any American "Britannia" effect could properly occur.

That's certainly one likely scenario. I wouldn't say it's impossible for Napoleon to make peace with Britain and recreate a stable European system, but that's not what we're talking about here.
 
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I was actually working on a timeline based on the CG timeline and PoDs. catch is, i wanted to make it a little more realistic. For my story, there are bascially two key PoDs. the first is that the Roman Empire does not take the British isles, keeping with the CG story. And of course the second is that the American Revolution is put down, which again is plausible. its basically going to be a britwank map. that's what i feel at least
 
I was actually working on a timeline based on the CG timeline and PoDs. catch is, i wanted to make it a little more realistic. For my story, there are bascially two key PoDs. the first is that the Roman Empire does not take the British isles, keeping with the CG story. And of course the second is that the American Revolution is put down, which again is plausible. its basically going to be a britwank map. that's what i feel at least
Of course, if you're really trying to be realistic, you'd probably want to include the butterfly effect... to go the most basic and obvious route is a Celtic Britain really going to colonize the Americas in exactly the same way the OTL British did to lead to a revolution that starts in 1776?
 
Of course, if you're really trying to be realistic, you'd probably want to include the butterfly effect... to go the most basic and obvious route is a Celtic Britain really going to colonize the Americas in exactly the same way the OTL British did to lead to a revolution that starts in 1776?

yeah sort of, i found a few maps on the map thread which i felt was 'more realistic' and that is my basis.

what the HBE does is similar except that they won't have complete control of the americas, just dominates it like crazy. at the time they take area 11, they would have controlled similar territories that the OTL British empire would have had like india and Australia for example.
 
Union, not universe.

Nope, the word actually is Universe, 'Yūro Yunibāsu' is the Japanese name of it, and that translates into English as 'Euro Universe'.



As for the CGTL, well honestly without knowing just how extensive the whole immortals thing has actually influenced the timeline (C2's mentioned knowing some of the founding fathers), I'm not sure how realistic it is.

The idea of the British government and royal family fleeing to America when the home islands are invaded does make sense, since it was really the closest major colony and arguably the most similar to the British isles in alot of ways.

What I've never gotten is what caused Europe to unite (given it seems more or less to be a more federalized version of OTL EU), especially as early as it seems to suggest.

The one single thing I dislike the most about it is the names, for instance even though Pakistan, India and Indonesia are parts of the Chinese Federation Islamabad, New Delhi and Jakarta somehow have their OTL names, which unless at some point in the 20th century the CF managed to absorb the former Euro colonies, just makes no sense at all.

The one most interesting thing about the TL I think is the development of Electromagnetic based guns rather than chemical/gunpowder based guns.
Now of course it may seem ASB at first, but we do know that the knowledge of magnetism and even it's use goes back as far as the ancient Greek's (who may have even developed it beyond what we have so far), so using magnetic acceleration instead of gunpowder is'nt terribly unrealistic and probably the most original and interesting part of the TL.
 
Nope, the word actually is Universe, 'Yūro Yunibāsu' is the Japanese name of it, and that translates into English as 'Euro Universe'.



As for the CGTL, well honestly without knowing just how extensive the whole immortals thing has actually influenced the timeline (C2's mentioned knowing some of the founding fathers), I'm not sure how realistic it is.

The idea of the British government and royal family fleeing to America when the home islands are invaded does make sense, since it was really the closest major colony and arguably the most similar to the British isles in alot of ways.

What I've never gotten is what caused Europe to unite (given it seems more or less to be a more federalized version of OTL EU), especially as early as it seems to suggest.

The one single thing I dislike the most about it is the names, for instance even though Pakistan, India and Indonesia are parts of the Chinese Federation Islamabad, New Delhi and Jakarta somehow have their OTL names, which unless at some point in the 20th century the CF managed to absorb the former Euro colonies, just makes no sense at all.

The one most interesting thing about the TL I think is the development of Electromagnetic based guns rather than chemical/gunpowder based guns.
Now of course it may seem ASB at first, but we do know that the knowledge of magnetism and even it's use goes back as far as the ancient Greek's (who may have even developed it beyond what we have so far), so using magnetic acceleration instead of gunpowder is'nt terribly unrealistic and probably the most original and interesting part of the TL.

According to the Code Geass Wiki and Wikipedia(last time I checked), the EU forms because of Age of Revolution (OTL: Numberous failed revolutions all over Europe from 1760 to 1830 in an attempt to establish Republics and abolish the Monarchies) In CGTL most (if not all) of the revolutions succede, abolishing all the monarchies in Europe except for Britania.

It can then be assumed that Napoleon invaded/annexed these new Republics to form a Super French Empire. After his death this French Empire becomes the EU.
 
It can then be assumed that Napoleon invaded/annexed these new Republics to form a Super French Empire. After his death this French Empire becomes the EU.

I don't know, the idea of French Europe devolcving into that does'nt seem like that's how it was meant, I mean all of the countries in Europe have the same modern bodrders, France especially would'nt make sense, since even if that were the case France would be larger even after the break-up.

The EU IATL has always been somethign that's bothered me, I mean it's like they just ISOTed it in early on and then went 'shit, we need an explanantion, but I don't wanna think realy hard' type deal.
 
I don't know, the idea of French Europe devolcving into that does'nt seem like that's how it was meant, I mean all of the countries in Europe have the same modern bodrders, France especially would'nt make sense, since even if that were the case France would be larger even after the break-up.

The EU IATL has always been somethign that's bothered me, I mean it's like they just ISOTed it in early on and then went 'shit, we need an explanantion, but I don't wanna think realy hard' type deal.


Yea well, CGTL is a little ASB like that. Just look at the Sakuradite, Geass and Knightmares.

Still a GREAT anime in my opinion.
 
Yea well, CGTL is a little ASB like that. Just look at the Sakuradite, Geass and Knightmares.

Still a GREAT anime in my opinion.

Well Sakuradite can actually make sense, it's just a room temperature superconductor, which would be revolutionary and allow alot of stuff from the show (not force fields or flying mechs, but yeah).

Anyways, yeah it is a good show, though I don't much like the metaphysical bits or how Lelouch essentially becomes a slightly insane (well, he probably was the whole time..) Tyrannical dictator.
 
yeah, that's what I'm working on is trying to explain how the EU unites and such basically a more 'realistic' version with several smaller countries and colonies and such. my idea is that some time after Britannia puts down the American revolution, Richard von Britannia decides to break tradition and move the capital to the Americas and formally declares the beginning of the Britannian empire. i still have yet to work out all the details though......
 
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