The Co-Prosperity Sphere
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3 years normally for some and 2 for conversions out of other ships, many of the numbers are overall ship programms for now since these states can't build them all at once right now. Others might be finished in a few months since they are already under construction and partly finished.
Another update will focus on the Army numbers of the CoPr-Sp as well as the fast if they have light equipment (most members and operational units in the south with tropical regions) or focus more on heavy and medium tanks and equipment) as do these further north or attacking the Soviet Union.
Do not rouse the sleeping giant. Rather, you cut it's throat and let it bleed. And they now have access to the Dutch East Indies and the Asian mainland. They do not equal them yet, but eventually, they will.
Japan can never defeat the US. All they can do is stalemate it.
Japanese are making them Thais too, but also Yankoku, Taikoku, Vietnam, Cambodia and others (most with Japanese help), that's why Regiments of Marines are included above.
That is totally true, Japan and it's Sphere has not yet reached the same level of organisation, industrialization and modernisation then the US. Maybe in the 50es, 60es and then they are a waking dragon themselve.
Not now at least and not if the US get's the bomb first. But with the right internal factors, the war not going as hoped and the deafeat of the Soviets, public opinion in the US will most likely not continue the war against Japan/ Germany and co. A Cold War would naturally arise from it, but the Second Great War would end in a stalemate then.
Anglo-American Union v. Monarchist Axis v. Co-Prosperity Sphere
The ideology for sure and some exile Soviets in the world, kinda like the Whites after the First Russian Civil War that brought the Soviets to power before. But Fashist Monarchism will make the counter part to Capitalism in this Cold War for the most part. ;D
Assuming Axis victory.
There won't be necessarily a Central Powers-Sphere split split though. They are ideologically compatible (and are not ideologically dogmatic so there won't be something like Mao-Kruschev ideological conflict about communism), they won't have common borders nor areas of conflict (India will likely remain Anglo aligned and separate the two blocs, and Russian Remnant too because I don't believe in Russian total defeat at all). Both Sphere and CP are regional blocs and the two areas won't overlap. Finally, they'll have a common enemy that outstrips both combined, at least at first. USA + Britain and Dominions and African colonies + (possibly / likely India and Latin America and Russian Remnant).
The circumstances that allowed the Sino-Soviet Split (ideological conflict over Destalinization, Mao's personality, Sino-Russian border, Soviets lording over Chinese as leaders of Communist bloc...) just won't happen there.
There won't be necessarily a Central Powers-Sphere split split though. They are ideologically compatible (and are not ideologically dogmatic so there won't be something like Mao-Kruschev ideological conflict about communism), they won't have common borders nor areas of conflict (India will likely remain Anglo aligned and separate the two blocs, and Russian Remnant too because I don't believe in Russian total defeat at all). Both Sphere and CP are regional blocs and the two areas won't overlap. Finally, they'll have a common enemy that outstrips both combined, at least at first. USA + Britain and Dominions and African colonies + (possibly / likely India and Latin America and Russian Remnant).
The circumstances that allowed the Sino-Soviet Split (ideological conflict over Destalinization, Mao's personality, Sino-Russian border, Soviets lording over Chinese as leaders of Communist bloc...) just won't happen there.
That is true for sure. Even if the new Russian Empire takes out the Soviets there still will be buffer states between it and Japan most likely and I doubt any of the two would go to war against each other as long as a Allied Remnant poses any form of possible danger to them.
I'm not sure the Soviets CAN be taken out.
The Axis can hardly stop supplies flowing through India and Persia. For Germans (even with Russian auxiliaries), good luck for reaching the Urals (hello logistics). Especially as they'll be spread in Western Europe and Africa. French, Italians and Austrians-Hungarians won't help much there. And CROSSING Urals, no way.
The only way would be Soviet people (beyond Urals) toppling Stalin. Except they won't do it when foreigners are invading the Rodina because patriotism + NKVD and Red Guard watching.
Even if Stalin is defeated and toppled, Free Russia (beyond Urals) will likely remain anti-Axis.
I believe Russia (as a free country) is here to stay
The Axis can hardly stop supplies flowing through India and Persia. For Germans (even with Russian auxiliaries), good luck for reaching the Urals (hello logistics). Especially as they'll be spread in Western Europe and Africa. French, Italians and Austrians-Hungarians won't help much there. And CROSSING Urals, no way.
The only way would be Soviet people (beyond Urals) toppling Stalin. Except they won't do it when foreigners are invading the Rodina because patriotism + NKVD and Red Guard watching.
Even if Stalin is defeated and toppled, Free Russia (beyond Urals) will likely remain anti-Axis.
I believe Russia (as a free country) is here to stay
Just about the only reason the Soviets weren't beaten was because of the fact that the Nazis made it their mission to exterminate and enslave the people of the Soviet Union. If they didn't, and did what Reinhard Gehlen advised Hitler to do, the Soviet Union would have been destroyed in two years. These people hate Stalin, he's not one of them, he's a Bolshevik. I remember Alexander Solzhenitsyn saying that the Soviet Revolution was in fact an invasion by the Bolsheviks.
The Russian people never accepted the Communists, and if the Germans promise to actually free them, the Russians will rise. No ifs ands or buts about it.
I think this would be a good thing for you to read count.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/time-again-for-what-if-ww2-japan.591236/
Also, what about the organization of the Japanese armed forces? I could be some help there.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/time-again-for-what-if-ww2-japan.591236/
Also, what about the organization of the Japanese armed forces? I could be some help there.
Yery nice, the IJA and Co-PrSp armies will get their own chapter soon. We will see significent changes in Japan's statgy and goals in 42 already when they relise the Allies are no yet ready to nagotiae peace and when they had their first grater losses (someting like Guadalcanal/Midway OTL) against the reorganised and counter-attacking allies. We have already seen slight changes after the Battles of Khalkhyn Gol when TTL Japan increases it's medics and medical trained soldiers and because of china (more automatic machine guns, motars and such for many troops).
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Chapter 178: Of Flying Frogs and Frozen Croissants
Chapter 178: Of Flying Frogs and Frozen Croissants:
The French Kingdom and later the French Empire hat had sided with the Axis Central Powers fight alongside them against the British and Allies since 1941. Their troops first saw action during the Battle of Britain, when the Armée e l'air of Fascist France fought against their former British allies to spare France a harsh German pace and to play a vital role in the new Fascist Royalist continent of a once again Monarchist Europe. They collaborated openly with their former Axis Central Power enemies after the defeat of France by Germany in 1940. While mostly defending their own territory in the colonies against Free France at first, the direct support by Germany, Spain and Italy in Africa against the British, the Allies and Free France, as well as the fear that Germany, Spain and Italy might claim even more territories of France and the Colonies in their peace soon lead to open participation of Fascist France alongside the Axis Central Powers. The special french fighter and bomber pilots that fought in the Battle of Britain were soon nicknamed the Flying Frogs by the Allies, because they often lacked the skill and modern machines of the German forces and were often compared with the equally poor fighting Italian and Spanish forces over Britain. The Axis Central Power and Fascist French Propaganda quickly used parallels to the Hundred Year War and stated, that this fight was not the first one for the French King/Emperor against English tyranny and warmongering. A modernized version of Jean d' Arc was often portrait how she destroyed English tanks and airplanes on this new propaganda.
While the so called Flying Frogs were the fist to participate with the Axis Central Powers in the Second Great War against their enemies outside of the direct defence of Fascist French territory, they would not be the last. The so called Napoleonic Legion (Napoleonic Regiment) was sent to fight alongside the Axis Central Powers in the Eastern Crusade against the Soviet Union in honor of the French Empire. This new forces were supported by the French Nationale Royalists, the Mouvement Franciste, the National Monarchiste Popular Party, the Socialiste Revolutionary Movement, the French National-Collectivit Party and the French League. Ordered by the French King and Philippine Pétain, this new French Forces were wearing French army style khaki uniforms to show that they fought for King and country, not only the Axis Central Powers. Every member of the Napoleonic Legion was a French Volunteer, but equipped with the best the French had to offer and best trained. At first the Legion had only 5,800 members, but quickly rose to over 13,400, including tanks and aircraft. Both German and French decorations were worn. By October 1941, there were two battalions of 2,271 men which had 181 officers and an additional staff of 35 German officers in the Legion. Because they were poorly equipped for the winter, the Napoleonic Legion lost half their numbers in action or through frostbite. In 1942 another unit was formed in France, La Légion Royale Tricolore (Royal Tricolor Regiment) but this unit was absorbed into the Napoleonic Legion soon after, just like other volunteers. Under the French commander, Colonel Roger Labonne, the Napoleonic Legion would fight during the end of 1942, later in June 1943 Colonel Edgar Puaud would take command and additionally 3,000 new trained soldiers would boost the number of the Napoleonic Legion to 13,400 soldiers fighting alongside the Axis Central Powers for a new Russian Empire.
The French Kingdom and later the French Empire hat had sided with the Axis Central Powers fight alongside them against the British and Allies since 1941. Their troops first saw action during the Battle of Britain, when the Armée e l'air of Fascist France fought against their former British allies to spare France a harsh German pace and to play a vital role in the new Fascist Royalist continent of a once again Monarchist Europe. They collaborated openly with their former Axis Central Power enemies after the defeat of France by Germany in 1940. While mostly defending their own territory in the colonies against Free France at first, the direct support by Germany, Spain and Italy in Africa against the British, the Allies and Free France, as well as the fear that Germany, Spain and Italy might claim even more territories of France and the Colonies in their peace soon lead to open participation of Fascist France alongside the Axis Central Powers. The special french fighter and bomber pilots that fought in the Battle of Britain were soon nicknamed the Flying Frogs by the Allies, because they often lacked the skill and modern machines of the German forces and were often compared with the equally poor fighting Italian and Spanish forces over Britain. The Axis Central Power and Fascist French Propaganda quickly used parallels to the Hundred Year War and stated, that this fight was not the first one for the French King/Emperor against English tyranny and warmongering. A modernized version of Jean d' Arc was often portrait how she destroyed English tanks and airplanes on this new propaganda.
While the so called Flying Frogs were the fist to participate with the Axis Central Powers in the Second Great War against their enemies outside of the direct defence of Fascist French territory, they would not be the last. The so called Napoleonic Legion (Napoleonic Regiment) was sent to fight alongside the Axis Central Powers in the Eastern Crusade against the Soviet Union in honor of the French Empire. This new forces were supported by the French Nationale Royalists, the Mouvement Franciste, the National Monarchiste Popular Party, the Socialiste Revolutionary Movement, the French National-Collectivit Party and the French League. Ordered by the French King and Philippine Pétain, this new French Forces were wearing French army style khaki uniforms to show that they fought for King and country, not only the Axis Central Powers. Every member of the Napoleonic Legion was a French Volunteer, but equipped with the best the French had to offer and best trained. At first the Legion had only 5,800 members, but quickly rose to over 13,400, including tanks and aircraft. Both German and French decorations were worn. By October 1941, there were two battalions of 2,271 men which had 181 officers and an additional staff of 35 German officers in the Legion. Because they were poorly equipped for the winter, the Napoleonic Legion lost half their numbers in action or through frostbite. In 1942 another unit was formed in France, La Légion Royale Tricolore (Royal Tricolor Regiment) but this unit was absorbed into the Napoleonic Legion soon after, just like other volunteers. Under the French commander, Colonel Roger Labonne, the Napoleonic Legion would fight during the end of 1942, later in June 1943 Colonel Edgar Puaud would take command and additionally 3,000 new trained soldiers would boost the number of the Napoleonic Legion to 13,400 soldiers fighting alongside the Axis Central Powers for a new Russian Empire.
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Oh the irony...'Napoleonic Legion'...fighting for the Russian Tsar...I love it 