The Co-Prosperity Sphere

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  1. Threadmarks: Chapter 578: The Axis Central Powers Kaisergipfel (Emperor/ Imperial Summit)

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    Chapter 578: The Axis Central Powers Kaisergipfel (Emperor/ Imperial Summit)
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    In Prague, the Two-Emperor's -City, the Axis Central Powers held summits (known as Kaisergipfel, literally Emperor or Imperial Summits) regulary and discussed their future plans and ideas for Europa, Africa, yes a whole world either directly ruled or dominated by them they hoped. This Kaisergiplel were clearly divided into various major topics, with one of the first ones dealing with territorial questions in Africa between the Axis Cenral Power member states. While there was some discussion about ressource rich areas or heavily populated ones, as well as access to the major rivers and thereby trade centers and points across the whole African Continent. This territorial and ethnic debates about who should rule what kind of land suddenly became much more heated as the Axis Central Powers discussed the fate of Europe during one of the later Kaisergipfel. Unlike in Africa, in Europe there were direct national and ethnic interests of the Nation States who made up the Axis Central Powers. For Example the German Empire planned to annex parts of Poland up until the Weichsel (Wista/ Vistual) for the province of Neuostpreußen (New East Prussia) and Warthe (Warta/ Varta) for the province of Südpreußen (Southprussia), known as East Posen in the earliest plans. The same was true vor German plans to annex the United Baltic Duchy, the Kingdoms of Denmark, Sweden, Norway and the United Kingdom of the Netherlands into the Greater German Empire. Even on the western border, the German Empire played with the idea to secretly annex further French Imperial land (Belgium/ Burgundia), however they were not alone with such megalomanic plans. In Exchange for this the French Empire was promised Catalonia from the Kingdom of Spain, that in return would get more Colonies from the Allies, yes the German even promised them to take all of Iberia, by annexing Portuga, to further help them reform their global American Empire either by outright annexation of the independent countries there, by forming Spanish Protectorates, or even a Letino Union or Block of some kind, like the Dominions in the British Empire. France meanwhile dreamed about getting parts of their territory lost to Germany and Italy back in Europe, expand their holdings in Africa (Egypt and Central Africa), America (French Canada and Lousianna), South Asia (India), Southeast Asia and even Oceania or Australia on expense of the British Empire.
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    At the same time Austria-Hungary planned on annexing parts of Poland (West Galicia) and have the rest of Poland, White Ruthenia and Ukrainia as well as Georgia as puppet states. Their plans for the vassals they already had in the Balkan Peninsula meanwhile were rather direct, as the Austrian-Hungarians tried to integrate these Balkan States into the United States of Greater Austria as their Empire. Against this the Kingdom of Greek and Bulgaria sought help from their fellow orthodox brothers in the Russian Empire and even the Neo-Ottoman Empire, as both were concearned with the growing Austrian-Hungarian dominance in southeast Europe, the Balkans and South Russia. The Italian Kingdom/ Roman Empire also tried to serve as a protector for Greece, as they hoped to regain their influence on the Balkan Peninsula back from Austria-Hungary his way. The main Italian goals however besides French and Spanish mainland territories, as well as their and the Allies colonies around the Mediterranean Sea, in the Middle East and East Africa to reeestablish the borders of the Ancient Roman Empire. The only Empire not making any demands for further Expansion was Russia, who'se Emperor hoped to regain more control, centralisation and stability, by forming a majorly Russian ethnic nation state, instead of further expanding. This opened the possibility for the German, Austrian-Hungarian, Neo-Ottoman Empires (as well as the Japanese and their Co-Prosperity Sphere) to carve out parts of the Soviet Union and the former First Russian Empire. The Neo-Ottomans further planned on taking much of former Russian Central Asia, mainly the majorly Mohammedan parts, while at the same time planning to annex Persia, the Arabian Peninsula, Egypt, parts of former China (East Turkestan) as well as the Mohammedan parts of British Raj/ India (later Pakistan). While adressing and discussing major issues and overlapping territorial claims and goals, the Emper Summit, Imperial Summit or Kaisergipfel did not adress secret plans of each Axis Central Powers member nation of not only outright annexing bigger pars of one another, but also in some chases resetteling the majority of the population and ethnic group living there in exchange for their own. Most of this plans (with the exception of the Neo-Otomans with the Armenian, Kurds or Arabs) however only included forced resettlement and temporary puing parts of these populations in Resettlement Camp (also known as Population Concentration Camps -PCC-, or Ethnic Concentration Camps -ECC-).
     
  2. CountofDooku Emperor of Amra

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    Thank you very much. :D I can write around 5 pages out of nothing in a day (when I have a holiday/ weekend or nothing else to do after work), but mostly it's just around 1-2, or when I do other stuff (family, friends and so) am ill or something like that.

    For some of the longer, more detailed battles I use wikipedia for backup and parts of the text as long as it fits with the TTL. That clearly means changing some movements, ship names (allready sunk TTL) and changing maneuvers, taktiks and outcomes. However now we've finally reached a point TTL were things have gotten so much away from OTL, that most future ones will be written nearly 100 percent by myself, even if some overall events, plan and operation names might sometimes still remain. ;D

    Also I believe the images help driving the story along too. ^^

    Edit: we will also see more religious, cultural and even daily changes and influences later TTL (mainly in the form of sports, discounters and other stuff significant different then they evolved OTL, as Japan (Asia and Pacific) will be the major global economic and military powerhouse and superpower TTL (partly during the middle of TTL Cold War, even more so after it). ;D
     
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  3. CountofDooku Emperor of Amra

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    Because I have so many TL here right now, I will change the daily rythm a bit, meaning not everyday a update on this TL, but every week or two weeks a new chapter in every TL overall in hopes to quicker finish some of them (to then have more time on some of the others, or even start overall new ones). My Star Wars Clone Wars one will also have it's chapters moved to Devientart as a backup and to gain more reeders (that will likely take some ime too).
     
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  4. Threadmarks: Chapter 579: Third and Fourth Battles of Savo Island – Part 2

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    Chapter 579: Third and Fourth Battles of Savo Island – Part 2
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    The Fourth Battle of Savo Island (known to the Americans as the Second Naval Battle of Guadalcanal,Fourth Battle of the Solomon Sea or Battle of Sunday the 15th) begann on 14 October, when a force of two Kongo-Class Battleships (Kirishima and Haruna), four heavy cruisers (Atago, Takao, Maya and Chokai, four light cruisers (Nagara, Sendai, Minase and Otonase), eighteen destroyers (some of them survivors of the first night engagement like the Kirishima and Nagara) and further away (near the northern coast of Santa Isabel Island) for aerial cover, the carrier Hosho all lead by Kondo from the Atago. Approaching Guadalcanal trought the Indispensable Strait around midnight on 14 October, and a quarter moon provided moderate visibility of about 7 km (or 3.8 nmi; 4.3 mi). His opponent Admiral William Halsey Jr. meanwhile was low on undamaged ships and detached the new battleships Washington and South Dakota, of Wasp's support group, together with four destroyers, as TF 64 under Admiral Willis A. "Ching" Lee to defend Guadalcanal and Henderson Field. It was a scratch force; the battleships had operated together for only a few days, and their four escorts were from four different divisions, chosen simply because, of the available destroyers, they had the most fuel. The U.S. force arrived in Ironbottom Sound in the evening of 14 Ocober and began patrolling near Savo Island, staying outside of the reach of the Japanese coastal artillery and coastal guns there. Had Henderson Field still been intact, Admiral Lee would have ordered them to attack and destroy the Japanese position on Savo Island with a combined naval and air attack instead. His U.S. warships were in column formation with the four destroyers in the lead, followed by Washington, with South Dakota bringing up the rear. At 22:55 on 14 October, radar on South Dakota and Washington began picking up Kondo's approaching ships near Savo Island, at a distance of around 18,000 m (or 20,000 yd).
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    Kondo split his force into several groups, with one group, commanded by Shintaro Hashimoto and consisting of Sendai and four destroyers weeping along the east side of Savo Island, and two destroyers sweeping counterclockwise around the southwest side of Savo Island to check for the presence of Allied ships. The Japanese ships spotted Lee's force around 23:00, though Kondo misidentified the battleships as cruisers. Kondo ordered the Sendai group of ships, plus two light cruisers and eight destroyers, to engage and destroy the U.S. force before he brought the bombardment force of the Battleships and heavy cruisers into Ironbottom Sound. The U.S. Ships detected the Sendai force on radar but did not detect the other groups of Japanese ships. Using skilled radar targeting, the two U.S. battleships opened fire on the Sendai group at 23:17. Admiral Lee ordered a cease fire about five minutes later after the northern group disappeared from his ship's radar. However, the Japanese ships were undamaged and circled out of the danger area for now, fearing that their searchlights might only draw more American Navy attention and fire to them.
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    Meanwhile, the four U.S. destroyers in the vanguard of the U.S. formation began engaging both Ayanami and the Nagara group of ships at 23:22. Nagara and her escorting destroyers responded effectively with accurate gunfire and torpedoes, and destroyers Walke and Preston were hit and sunk within 10 minutes with heavy loss of life. The destroyer Benham had part of her bow blown off by a torpedo and had to retreat (she sank the next day), and destroyer Gwin was hit in her engine room and put out of the fight. However, the U.S. destroyers had completed their mission as screens for the battleships, absorbing the initial impact of contact with the enemy, although at great cost. Lee ordered the retirement of Benham and Gwin at 23:48. Washington passed through the area still occupied by the damaged and sinking U.S. destroyers and fired on Ayanami with her secondary batteries, setting her afire. Following close behind, South Dakota suddenly suffered a series of electrical failures, reportedly during repairs when her chief engineer locked down a circuit breaker in violation of safety procedures, causing her circuits repeatedly to go into series, making her radar, radios, and most of her gun batteries inoperable. However, she continued to follow Washington towards the southwestern side of Savo Island until 23:35, when Washington changed course left to pass to the southward behind the burning destroyers. South Dakota tried to follow but had to turn to starboard to avoid Benham, which resulted in the ship being silhouetted by the fires of the burning destroyers and made her a closer and easier target for the Japanese.
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    Receiving reports of the destruction of the U.S. destroyers from Ayanami and his other ships, Kondo pointed his bombardment force towards Guadalcanal, believing that the U.S. warship force had been defeated. His force and the two U.S. battleships were now heading towards each other. Almost blind and unable to effectively fire her main and secondary armament, South Dakota was illuminated by searchlights and targeted by gunfire and torpedoes by most of the ships of the Japanese force, including Kirishima, beginning around midnight on 15 November. Although able to score a few hits on Kirishima, South Dakota took 26 hits, some of which did not explode, that completely knocked out her communications and remaining gunfire control operations, set portions of her upper decks on fire, and forced her to try to steer away from the engagement. All of the Japanese torpedoes missed. Admiral Lee later described the cumulative effect of the gunfire damage to South Dakota as to, render one of our new battleships deaf, dumb, blind, and impotent. South Dakota's crew casualties were 39 killed and 59 wounded, and she turned away from the battle at 00:17 without informing Admiral Lee, though observed by Kondo's lookouts. The Japanese ships continued to concentrate their fire on South Dakota and none detected Washington approaching to within 9,000 yd (8,200 m). Washington was tracking a large target (Kirishima) for some time but refrained from firing since there was a chance it could be South Dakota. Washington had not been able to track South Dakota's movements because she was in a blind spot in Washington's radar and Lee could not raise her on the radio to confirm her position. When the Japanese illuminated and fired on South Dakota, all doubts were removed as to which ships were friend or foe. From this close range, Washington opened fire and quickly hit Kirishima with at least nine to twenty main battery shells and at least seventeen secondary ones, disabling all of Kirishima's main gun turrets, causing major flooding, and setting her aflame. Kirishima was hit below the waterline and suffered a jammed rudder, causing her to circle uncontrollably to port.
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    At 00:25, Kondo ordered all of his ships that were able to converge and destroy any remaining U.S. ships. However, the Japanese ships still did not know where Washington was located, and the other surviving U.S. ships had already departed the battle area. Washington steered a northwesterly course toward the Russell Islands to draw the Japanese force away from Guadalcanal and the presumably damaged South Dakota. The Imperial ships finally sighted Washington and launched several torpedo attacks, but she avoided all of them and also avoided running aground in shallow waters. At length, believing that the way had been cleared for the transport convoy to proceed to Guadalcanal, Kondo ordered his remaining ships to break contact and retire from the area about 01:04, which most of the Japanese warships complied with by 01:30. Ayanami was scuttled by Uranami at 2:00, while Kirishima capsized and sank by 03:25 on 15 November. Uranami rescued survivors from Ayanami and destroyers Asagumo, Teruzuki, and Samidare rescued the remaining crew from Kirishima. In this engagement, 242 U.S. And 249 Japanese sailors died. The engagement was one of only two battleship-against-battleship surface battles in the entire Pacific campaign of the Second Great War. Meanwhile the four Japanese transports had been beached themselves at Tassafaronga on Guadalcanal, and Tanaka and the escort destroyers departed and raced back up the Slot toward safer waters, unsure if more American forces were still in the area. The transports were attacked, beginning at 05:55, by U.S. aircraft from the carrier Wasp south of them and partly even by field artillery from U.S. ground forces on Guadalcanal. Later, destroyer Meade approached and opened fire on the unloaded Japanese forces beachhead and surrounding area. These attacks set one of their transpots afire and destroyed some of the equipment that the Japanese had not yet had managed to bring further into the Jungles. Still the majority of the 3,000 embarked japanese troops made it to Guadalcanal, and most of their heavy equipment, ammunition and food could be safet.
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    However the attack lead Kondo to order support from the carrier Hosho in early morning of 15 October, as many of his ships had either been damaged during the previous battle engagement or were by now running low on fuel and had to return. Therefore the japanese carrier Hosho started it's nine Mitsubishi A5M (Type 96) "Claude" fighters and six Yokosuka B4Y1 (Type 96) "Jean" bombers. It had only very limited numbers of aircraft, but Kondo believed they would be enough as a reserve cover force, as the japanese believed that the american carriers in the Pacific, had by now all been destroyed and sunk. Their opposing american aircraft carrier Wasp had previously been repaired in Hawaii and even replenished her lost aircraft and pilots, bringing it back up to a total aircraft group of 26 Grumman F4F Wildcats, 26 Douglas SBD Dauntlesses and 11 Grumman TBF Avengers. Hosho's Mitsubishi fighters were ordered to engage the American aircraft harassing the Japanese ships and at the same time watch out for the direction they were coming for, to locate the possible american carrier or nearby airfield. On paper it looked bad, as the Wasp had around 80 to 100 aircraft in total, counting reserves, while the Hosho had only 15 aircraft in total, 21. This meant that for every japanese plane, there were around four to six american ones. As Kondo was unsure if the american aircraft came from a landbased island airfield as suspected, or from a repaired, or newly build american carrier, his instructions remained quiet unclear and open to interpretation. Therefore Hosho's Yokosuka bombers waited with torpedo's ready to start in chase the american carrier was spotet, while the Mitsubishi shot down american fighters and bombers who in return shot down a few of them. Originally finally heading to torpedo a few remaining american ships, the Yokosuka bombers turned around when suddenly one of the Mitsubishi fighters managed to follow a damaged Dauntless back to the Wasp, spotting it's position and alarming the rest of the japanese forces in the area.
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    Immedietly Hosho started it's remaining reserve aircraft from both hangars, Mitsubishi fighters with bombs quickly added to them and Yokosuka bombers with torpedoes. When finally arriving at the Wasp, the american CAS shot down the majority of the japanese fighters and bombers even managed to avoid all topedo's fired at them while doing so. As a response to that Hosho send her remaining aircraft to sink the Wasp, loosing the rest of them to Wasp's anti-aircraft fire, or close-air-support. Kondo then ordered Japanese aircraft from New Malaita, Georgia, Bougainville and Rabaul to attack the Wasp too, angry that the planned japanese airfields on Choiseul and Santa Isabel were not finished yet, or lacked aircraft ready for such a operation at the moment. After fighting of another wave, Wasp headed south out of the dangerous ares, while Hosho remained unspottet. Unfortunatly for the Americans, Wasp was spottet by two Japanese submariens (I-19 and I-20) operating in the southern Solomon Sea/ northern Coral Sea and hit by torpedos that would lead to her destruction and sinking. Yamamoto was pleased with this outcome, as Kondo had managed to reinforce the Japanese on Guadalcanal, cripple or outright destroy the remaining american positions around Henderson Field, landing most of his forces safely. In the End the Americans lost 3 cruisers and 5 destroyers alongside their carrier, one of their battleships was heavily damaged, alongside 36 aircraft and 1,845 people. The Japanese overall lost 2 battleships, a heavy cruiser, 3 destroyers and 5 transports overall with 46 aircraft and around 1,900 soldiers in total. While a tactical Japanese victory, the two battles were a overall strategic victory for the Americans, as they could much easier replace their overall losses in ships (including carriers), aircraft and pilots then the Japanese were able to.
     
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  5. skarosianlifeform Well-Known Member

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    Still, any battle that isn't a clear and obvious US victory is a moral Japanese victory, pushing the USA closer to white peace...
     
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  6. CountofDooku Emperor of Amra

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    In the minds/ mindset of the Japanese and the C-PS for sure as they see the Western Allies as weak in mind and spirit, believing they are allready close to accept a white peace or a peace on their terms after all they archived in 1941 to 1942. However just liek OTL they are wrong (TTL partly) at least untill now.
     
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  7. skarosianlifeform Well-Known Member

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    Anyway, I wonder how Soviet Union is doing right now...
     
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  8. CountofDooku Emperor of Amra

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    Not that good after their last counter offensives failed or at least did not archive the aims they had. However they are far out of manpower (weapons and fuel is a whole other story) ...
     
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    Doomed; they've already lost the Ukraine, Leningrad, and the Caucasus. Plus, with no Generalplan Ost and Einsatzgruppen, a Tsar that's adopted German-style Constitutional Monarchy, and an end to the Stalinist police state, people are flocking to the Imperial banner.
     
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    Not to mention "freedom" of religion and political activity in the Russian Empire to some extent.

    Edit: Have 63 pages of notes for TTL at the moment (nearly half for after the Second Great War Stuff) so we will see a few side-/ filler chapters for not so much major stuff appear soon so I don't have to add all of that later with flashbags like in my Star Wars TL ... :p hope those chapters will still be fun to read/ write and give this world much more detail.
     
  11. Darksider166 Well-Known Member

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    Is it possible that after the 2nd Great War, the Amur region will be a source of contention between Axis Europe and CPS Asia once they begin their cold war? I feel like once Japan and Germany start breaking away; Germany in an attempt to keep Russia in its sphere will begin fueling for Russia to reclaim Outer Manchuria or any Russian lands taken by Japan. But yet it would also be in Germany's best interests to keep a Russia that's weak enough to never challenge them, while also strong enough as a deterrent for Japan.
     
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    Viet-cong strategy much?
     
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  13. CountofDooku Emperor of Amra

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    As Russia lost nearly all warm-water harbours during the Second Great War TTL they will want some of their former coast back for trade and fleet reasons, however Amur might not be the best opinion there. Actually any potential ressoruces found inside of the province are a much better and logical reason for wanting it back I assume, even more so if Japan and Manchuria build up the region industrial and infrastructual.
     
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