The Bulgarian Gambit

I think there could be a distinct possibility of Britain making peace, the Nazi's are gone and Germany has offered to withdraw from Western Europe which will see pro-British governments established in those countries

With Germany's new constitutional monarchy now about to go to war with the evil of communism, and bearing in mind the Soviets and British have been skirmishing peace between Britain and Germany is a distinct possibility

Of course there is still the issue of Poland, Czechoslovakia and the nations Britain have recently given guarantees to but these are solvable in a way that saves face for both sides (Poland is reconstituted but without the Polish Corridor and perhaps some other land, it will be compensated with land from Belarus and Ukraine, Bohemia sans Sudatenland to be given independence, recognition of British sphere of influence in Greece, Turkey, Iran)
 

Tellus

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I liked this timeline, though I must say that killing Hitler is getting a little cliché to me. Id prefer writers to try to make due with him when they want to alter events in WW2, but what the hell. Ill keep reading anyway :)
 
I liked this timeline, though I must say that killing Hitler is getting a little cliché to me. Id prefer writers to try to make due with him when they want to alter events in WW2, but what the hell. Ill keep reading anyway :)

TBH, there were so many attempts to kill him that not having him die as a result of one seems kind of ASB
 

Tellus

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Of course there is still the issue of Poland, Czechoslovakia and the nations Britain have recently given guarantees to but these are solvable in a way that saves face for both sides (Poland is reconstituted but without the Polish Corridor and perhaps some other land, it will be compensated with land from Belarus and Ukraine, Bohemia sans Sudatenland to be given independence, recognition of British sphere of influence in Greece, Turkey, Iran)

The idea that Germany, willingly giving up most of western Europe without a fight and ending its mastery of the Continent at it's height is implausible enough as it is without adding concessions regarding Central and Eastern Europe. Im pretty sure England would jump on such a deal, especially coupled with a regime change in Germany. Poland and Bohemia-Moravia would simply never be mentioned - with Hitler gone, these are reasonable concessions. I also may have missed it and perhaps it was addressed, but its quite certain that Germany would exclude Luxembourg and Alsace-Lorraine from their withdrawal in the west.
 
The idea that Germany, willingly giving up most of western Europe without a fight and ending its mastery of the Continent at it's height is implausible enough as it is without adding concessions regarding Central and Eastern Europe. Im pretty sure England would jump on such a deal, especially coupled with a regime change in Germany. Poland and Bohemia-Moravia would simply never be mentioned - with Hitler gone, these are reasonable concessions. I also may have missed it and perhaps it was addressed, but its quite certain that Germany would exclude Luxembourg and Alsace-Lorraine from their withdrawal in the west.

Tellus

If Germany doesn't end it overwhelming military dominance of the continent then Britain has no incentive and little choice but to continue being hostile some way or another. Even a right wing military government dominating so much of the continent will be see as a serious threat.

It may be a moot point as even without occupation Germany would dominant Poland and Bohemia economically and financially. Especially with the SU hovering on the horizon.

This is fairly irrelevant as given that the SU is going to attack the status of Poland is going to be in abeyance for some time.

Steve
 
The idea that Germany, willingly giving up most of western Europe without a fight and ending its mastery of the Continent at it's height is implausible enough as it is without adding concessions regarding Central and Eastern Europe. Im pretty sure England would jump on such a deal, especially coupled with a regime change in Germany. Poland and Bohemia-Moravia would simply never be mentioned - with Hitler gone, these are reasonable concessions. I also may have missed it and perhaps it was addressed, but its quite certain that Germany would exclude Luxembourg and Alsace-Lorraine from their withdrawal in the west.

I never completely outlined the proposed Western Peace terms except that they did include a general withdraw from the West. However there would be obvoiusly limits there. The Germans might well consider Al-Lo part of Germany and I doubt they would be willing to see UK troops on the continent.

I didn't want to spend too much time fleshing out the initial offers because I can't see Winston taking them. Plus if he thinks the Germans are about to get into a fight with Russia he can delay and demand more concessions. Poland and Czech are a tough nut. The UK went to war over Poland so it wouldn't be easy to give them up, Germany has to offer something there and at this point may not want too.

Jay - Gemellus
 
Battle for the Frontier (Polish)

August 15, 1941 (South Polish Sector)

Report US Military Academy Soviet Diversionary Attack in Brest Litovsk Area, USMA Studies Group 1957

- Of course it is a delicate operation to balance the forces committed to a Diversionary attack. The Soviets were compelled to commit sufficient forces to accomplish two primary objectives; first to convince the Germans that a major thrust was being aimed at the area South of Warsaw and second to pin down German troops which might be committed to other more vital sectors.
To accomplish this the Soviets committed two armies, the Fourth Army under General Korobkov and the larger 5th Army under General Potapov. Korobkov commanded the equivalent of 6 infantry divisions and 2 armor divisions. Potapov have a much larger force of 6 armor divisions and 10 infantry divisions. Additionally Korobkov could count on the 13th Soviet armyunder General Filatov as a frontal reserve. Facing 4th Army was the Second Panzer Group (Panzergruppe) under General Guardian while Potapov faced the 6th Army under General Reichenau and the First Panzer Group under Kliest. Overall the Balance favored the Germans who could field 10 Panzer Divisions and 19 Infantry Divisions to Soviet 8 Armor and 16 Infantry.
Typical of the initial action was the frontier battle fought between the elements of the 28th Rifle Corp of Korobkov’s 4th Army which attacked elements of the 20th Motorized Infantry Division under General Wiktorkin along the river Bug….

Diary General Wiktorin – August 16, 1941

The Soviets laid on a massive artillery barrage about two hours before dawn yesterday. They had registered our font trenches and poured 122mm fire up and down the line. Fortunately at midnight I had ordered the withdraw of the forward infantry and the shells fell on unoccupied ground. At dawn the Soviets began their assault. In some ways it reminded me of some of our own earlier war games. Their tanks frequently deployed in single columns and if our ATs could knock out the lead tank, then the whole of the column usually stopped, making the easy targets for our crews. Their infantry also lacked proper coordination. Often the tanks would race ahead without support after the infantry went to ground. Again that made both especially vulnerable to counterattacks and artillery fire. I spoke with General Reinhardt, the Corp Commander, before dusk and informed him that after tomorrow most of the Soviet thrust will be spent. Already I can claim at least 100 tanks and armored vehicles knocked out.

August 17, 1941 – General Korobkov’s report to STAVKA

…I therefore must regrettably inform you that any further advance is impossible. My mechanized Corp is no longer a credible force and with the exception of some reserve units my infantry is spent. Losses are much higher than expected. Even among the new tanks deployed my losses exceed 40%. Air support from the Fronts has completely ceased. The Germans have established air superiority over the whole sector and movement during daylight is extremely hazardous….
August 20, 1941 – General Rudolf Schmidt, Commander XXXIX Corp, Polish Sector

General Schmidt found it difficult not to smile as he read the action reports coming up from division. It appeared that his opposite number had committed his armor in near suicidal fashion. His intelligence estimated that no more than 100 or 150 Soviet tanks remained, most of those being the older models. He shuddered for a moment when he thought about the new beast that Ivan was deploying, the T-34. His gunners reported it as difficult to stop and outclassed most of his machines. Thank God the Russians didn’t know how to use such machines. Now the front was clear.
It was time to hit Ivan where it hurt. He decided to keep the 29th Motorized in reserve but the 1st and 2nd Panzer were fresh and ready to go. Getting across the Bug would take some work, but the engineers assured him that they could….Suddenly the phone rang. Schmidt picked it up. “Generaloberst Schmidt” he answered
“Schmidt, this is Bock. I need to know your status. I may have to release the reserve divisions South and want to know how is your sector.”
“Fine, General. I have broken the last Soviet armor thrust this afternoon. I got approval from General Guderian to go over onto the offensive. I was just working out some of the logistics now.” Schmidt took the silence as permission to continue. “I want to cross the Bug North of Brest Litovsk. I can’t go straight in because of the damn Marshes. But if I can skirt the city and leave it for the infantry and I can get well into Ivan’s rear before he can react.” Another pause. “Most of his artillery transport has been destroyed by the Luftwaffe, so I only need to make this a fluid…”
“That’s enough General. Guderian has already outlined the thrust, but keep in mind I won’t have any infantry to spare. Keep an immediate reserve because the Army Groups is going to be deployed South.” The phone clicked silent.

Final Report – OKW – Frontier Battles – August 1941 – Army Group Center

The Soviet attacks were pressed with great courage; however their efforts were fatally flawed in many respects. First, their tactical deployment was clumsy, no doubt because they had little practical experience in launching large scale combined arms attacks against a Western foe. Second, while some individual air units performed adequately overall the Red Air Force almost immediately lost control over the battlefield. As the August battles continued the Luftwaffe was able to knock out almost all serviceable airfields within range of the Frontier. This allowed tactical operations, reconnaissance and some strategic bombing to continue unimpeded. Fourth, the Soviets were weak in motor transport for their artillery and logistics. Even short advances made it almost impossible for them to advance their artillery or re-supply units. Finally the Soviet officers displayed a remarkable degree of rigidity in dealing with tactical situations. As signals were disrupted and C-in-C broke down many units simply froze, apparently awaiting direction from Corps or Army HQ.



(Note – this is the first of several posts about the early part of the frontier battle. This first one was a diversionary attack hoping to fix the Germans in South/Central Poland), over the next few days I will generally post about the battles South of this battle and there will be a few interruptions for some political and diplomatic postings)
 

Eurofed

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The Germans might well consider Al-Lo part of Germany and I doubt they would be willing to see UK troops on the continent.

Unless there is an alliance reversal and Britain takes the side of Germany, that is. With a post-Nazi Germany and Russia pulling an unprovoked reverse Barbarossa, this is far from politically unplausible IF Germany is willing to liberate Western Europe.

I didn't want to spend too much time fleshing out the initial offers because I can't see Winston taking them. Plus if he thinks the Germans are about to get into a fight with Russia he can delay and demand more concessions.

Yep, however be mindful that Winston's position is not unshakable ITTL. With a post-Nazi Germany that is willing to liberate Western Europe and a Soviet Russia betraying allies and invading Eastern Europe, British continuation of the war with Germany is going to look more and more like a war to make Europe Communist. Winston may be eager to eat German livers for breakfast as much as he wants, but the rest of the British people and ruling class is going to take mighty objections about spilling British blood and money to make Europe a Stalinist playground. In short, the pressure of the British pro-German, anti-Soviet faction is bound to become irresistible sooner or later if Germany is willing let 1940 conquests loose.

Poland and Czech are a tough nut. The UK went to war over Poland so it wouldn't be easy to give them up, Germany has to offer something there and at this point may not want too.

About this, be mindful that after Stalin attacks, Poland and Czechoslovakia shall be the battleground and their settlement shall be in abeyance for the duration of the war in the eyes of all reasonable Britons. As long as Germany is able to mouth some decent concessions about their post-war future that save British pride but safeguard German imperial interests, there is not really much that Winston can grasp as an excuse to say no. Say Germany annexes 1914 territories, gives guarantees of either restoration of Polish and Czech independence or Polish independence and special federal autonomy status for Bohemia-Moravia, with Britain giving guarantees of non-interference in German sphere of influence in the region. After all, in the eyes of most British, non-Nazi Germany is a far better overlord of Central Europe than Soviet Russia and with an aggressive USSR and no Nazi atrocities, Poland and Czechia shall have few qualms accepting German political and economic patronage.
 
Romanian Front

August 15, 1941 – Romanian Front

From A Brief History of World War II, by Robert Eagan, Random House 1977

The Romanian front was the major theater of operation for the Russians. The Russians had poured most of the new armor and almost all of their mobilized reserves into the Southern Front. In May the Russian 18th Army under Smirnov had only 6 Infantry divisions and the equivalent of 2 Armored divisions, further South Cherevichenko’s 9th Army was also as lightly equipped. By the beginning of Operation Saturn both Armies had more than doubled in size. In particular the Russians had stripped 8 armored divisions from their Northern Armies and fed them into the South. The 18th immediate goal after crossing the Prut was to sieze Jassy and the destroy the German 11th Army under General Schobert. The 9th had a narrower front and a less capable Opponent. Operating on both the Northern and Southern banks of the Danube Cherevichenko’s orders were to destroy the Fourth Romanian Army under General Ciuperca, seized Galati and drive deep into Romania.
The Germans had detected the buildup on the Romanian border and had begun shifting reserve and some panzer units South at the end of July. However by August 15th they were still badly outnumbered and reliant on the inadequate Romanian rail network for supply. The German 11th Army fought a brilliant delaying action and forced the Russians to pay dearly for every inch of ground. After two weeks of heavy fighting General Schobert The Romanian 4th Army was not as fortunate. Split by the Danube it was driven back and began to disintegrate. By August 28th only two of Ciuperca’s seven divisions were still operational. It appeared by the end of August that the Southern wing of the Romanian front was going to collapse.

From Airborne Operations in World War II, by Matthew Ridgeway, Beakers Press 1950.

There Russian airborne attack on Ploesti was not the first airborne operation of the war, but it was by far the largest until late in the war. Although, had the German airborne attacks on Crete gone forward it would not have held this distinction. The Russians had one of the largest cadre of trained parachutists before the war. Some have estimated that after Stalin introduced parachuting as a para-military sport that over 1 million troops had some level of experience*
The primary problem the Russians had was their aircraft. Their standard drop ship was the Tupolev TB-3 or variant. By 1941 it was nearing obsolescence, having been based on the earlier ANT-6 design. In any case Russian troops had to climb out of hatch on the top of the fuselage, just aft of the wing. From there their jump was endangered by the prominent tailplane. None the less, the Russians had transferred the vast bulk of the TB-3s into their Bulgarian bases undetected by the Germans. The Russians were able to drop almost 9,000 troops onto Ploesti only hours into the war. The local Romanian and smaller German garrison was completely taken by surprise. By then end of the first 48 hours the refineries and fields were in Russian hands. Hands which were busy planting charges…

From the Diary of Dmitri Yuri Dosik
August 16th -

The drop was a nightmare. We had never tried to land so many troops at once, nor in an area so unfamiliar. Some of our troops actually came down on top of the industrial works, but enough of us landed near our assembly points to begin to organize. Peter was killed, his shout failed to deploy fully.

August 17th

Romanian resistance is sporadic. There was some local militia, some police and a few regular troops but they were even in worse order than us. The Colonel showed up around 3 PM, he had landed 9 miles off the drop. He had spent yesterday and today rounding up stragglers and marching to the fields. He brought a good part of the Engineers who dropped with us. Now if we can find some of their equipment or we will have to use what these shitty Romanian have.

August 18th

The Colonel tells me we have a pretty secure perimeter around the airport and most of the refineries. The city is a mess and the Romanian are welcome to it. I would guess there is almost a 100,000 in the city and we are too few to occupy it all** The Air Force didn’t get many planes in today. The German fighters are swarming and I saw at least 6 of our planes go down. It is starting to look like we will be cut off until the Regular Army arrives.

August 20th

The Germans showed up yesterday. Fortunately it wasn’t in great strength and they didn’t have many tanks. We had lots of fortified positions and they tried to rush one just North of here. We beat them back, but it won’t last. The colonel tells me that Fritz really needs this place and will die to get it back. Personally he could have it, but I serve the state.

August 22nd

Heard today that the Ninth army has broken the Romanians and taken Slobozia. That still puts them 100 km from Bucharest and 200 km from us. Captain Tyulenev tells me the Germans are all over our bases in Bulgaria and that we can’t expect any more flights from there. He also says the Navy landed troops in Romania and reinforced Bulgaria, doubt that it is true.

August 28th

Heavy fighting the last week. No time to write. Cherevichenko is nearing Bucharest. Germans have gotten here and this time they brought tanks. We are running out of shells for the guns and soon will be fighting with our bare hands. I know the engineers are mining all the refineries and most of the wells. The Germans may force us out, but hey will win a heap of ashes.

September 1st

Heavy fighting. The Germans have pushed us out of three positions. Still no word from the regular army. Yuri blew the Western refineries. The explosion was spectacular. Germans have called on us to surrender. Never! Death to the Traitors. Long live the Revolution, Long live Stalin!

September 2nd

More attacks. We are being pushed into a pocket South of here. Street fighting in Bucharest. Germans have overrun most of our bases in Bulgaria. The Navy has landed more troops, but I was told we lost quite a few ships.

September 2, 1941 – Bucharest, 28th Light Infantry Division (German)

General Sinnhuber felt the basement shake as another Russian artillery round hit outside. He was tired. It was just after 3 AM and the Russians were obviously getting ready for another assault. He clicked the field phone’s receiver up and down nervously, hoping that the connection had held. It had “Hello? Hello? Schimpf? Can you still hear me?” The Luftwaffe officer answered “Yes I still can hear you general.” Sinnhuber sighed in relief. “Ivan is getting ready to try again. I can stop his infantry, but their artillery is giving me merry hell! I need to have those guns taken out. As soon as it is dawn I need a maximum effort on the coordinates I just gave you.” “It will be done general, it will be done.” Another shell hit, this one much closer and the phone line quit.
Sinnhuber slammed the dead receiver down. He had 3 maybe four hours till the Luftwaffe could get some planes up. He was running low on reserves. He wondered if the division would live up to its nickname as the “Iron Cross Division” or would it be buried here as the “Wooden Cross”? He had heard that more units were being rushed down from Hungary but he didn’t know if there was time. Suddenly there was silence, the Russian artillery had shut down. That could only mean that their infantry was going forward, it was time to get back to business.



*while probably an exaggeration the Russians certainly did have huge numbers –See Airborne Operations by Chant, Beaver, Didwell, Fowler, Humber, Kadish and Thompson, Crescent Books
**In early 1940 there were about 80,000 in the greater city. It actually suffered and earthquake in 1940 and was rebuilding. It was an oil boom city built up on several smaller settlements with refineries scattered about.
 
One Quick Point

In the Soviet Diary the officer gives some distances, they are intentionally inaccurate. Actually Ploesti is less than 50-70 km from Bucharest, North of the Capital. Plus the 9th army's goal isn't to relieve the paratroopers.

Jay _ Gemellus
 
i've just finished reading what's up and i think it's very good.

I have one question though, how are the Soviets faring in the Far East are they vulnerable to a Japanese attack?
 
In the Soviet Diary the officer gives some distances, they are intentionally inaccurate. Actually Ploesti is less than 50-70 km from Bucharest, North of the Capital. Plus the 9th army's goal isn't to relieve the paratroopers.

Jay _ Gemellus

Gemellus

I did wonder about that. If they manage to grab the refineries long enough to mine them then I couldn't see much point in making it the primary target. Especially since forces advancing into the Balkans are vulnerable to a German counter-attack from German forces holding the Carpathians. A success in Rumania might help relieve forces in Bugaria and possibly even link up with the Serbs, elements of whom might be friendly. However other than the oil-fields there's nothing of strategic importance that way. True Stalin like Hitler was prone to flights of fancy and politically it makes sense to show an attempt to rescue the paras.

Wondering then if this is just another, larger diversion. That the main attack is yet to come, say in Poland after the Germans start to strike south. [Although the Russians haven't had time to massively expand their forces since the POD and they have already displayed at least some of the T-34s]. Curious, but no doubt we'll find out what their up to.

While I won't go as far as Eurofed I can see pressure in Britain for an end to the war with Germany if they come up with an offer that reaches the public and sounds generous. Especially if it looks like their possibly losing to the Soviets. Frankly I think it would also be a good thing for Britain, depending on the details.

What are the new German governments relations with Japan like? Are they still trying to maintain good relations, as a potentially valuable ally or seeing them as a potential disaster? If the former the new government is probably a lot more willing and capable to joint planning and development with the Japanese. Whether the Japanese are any more willing is another point however.

Steve
 
i've just finished reading what's up and i think it's very good.

I have one question though, how are the Soviets faring in the Far East are they vulnerable to a Japanese attack?

paxau

I doubt it. Even in 41 OTL with the Germans on the outskirts of Moscow, while a lot of Siberian forces were sent west, a sizeable element stayed there. Coupled with the mauling the Red Army gave the Japanese in Mongolia a couple of years back and the sheer size of the forces tied up in China I doubt the Japanese would be rash enough to attack. [Although possibly if the new German government had played more attention to them than Hitler did you might get a reaction. Especially if the army takes the law into its own hands as it was prone to do]. However if they do they will probably get badly mauled.

Steve
 
Pale Games

August 16, 1941 – Rome, Italy, Office of his Excellency Benito Mussolini

Count Ciano lit another cigarette. It had been a long day yesterday and it looked like today would be even worse. His father-in-law was pounding the table and shouting at Marshal Gariboldi. The old man was giving it back as good as he got it and the voices echoed in the room. Several other ministers were also shouting to be heard. Ciano rubbed his temples and wished for the thousandth time that Il Duce’s private style was different than his public persona. The man simply relished a fight. There was a time and place for everything, but for Il Duce there was always time for a fight. “Marshal we have no choice! The Germans have been good allies, in Greece and on the Fourth Shore. In our hour of need they were there.” The Marshal started to argue, he had little love for the Germans. The Count cleared his throat and raised his voice. “We have no choice Marshal. The Germans are talking to the English, if we cut ties with them now and the Germans make peace we will be facing England alone. Do you think you can hold Libya with German help? Do you think we can get East Africa back?” The Marshal scowled, but remained silent.
Il Duce nodded to his son-in-law. At times the little shit had his uses. He turned to the old warhouse De Bono. “Marshal you must have advice for us. What do we do here?” Then he sat back waiting for the expected answer. Marshal Emilio De Bono adjusted his chair and the room quieted. “I did not want this war. I have seen too many battlefields to think solutions magically appear after the smoke clears. But, we have little choice. We need the Germans. We can’t stand against the English alone and they may well make peace without us, if we fail to help them against the Russians. But I think our esteemed Foreign Minister would do well to explore our own solutions with England, or at least to get a seat in Lisbon.” Il Duce smiled. “That is wisdom. We vote then for war.” The others in the room nodded. “Good!” exclaimed Mussolini “Count Ciano will communicate our support to Germany. He will also assert our right to a seat in Lisbon. I think Beck will give it.”

August 17, 1941 – Tokyo, Residence of the Prime Minister

Lord Keeper of the Privy Seal Kochi Kido gracefully set the tea down in front of him. The soft chink of the china making contact with the table mingled with the hum of several small fans. Each man in the room waited quietly for Kido to speak. “I have talked with this Imperial Majesty this morning and he asks for your advice gentlemen. The Prime Minister bowed his head slightly in deference then spoke. “We are most pleased that his Majesty would solicit our humble advice.” He cleared his throat. “We are faced with two basic options gentlemen. Our treaty with Germany is one of defensive alliance. It appears clear to me that the Soviets have openly attacked the Germans. A direct reading of the treaty would appear to require that we declare war on Russia. Of course it is possible that my own interpretation of the treaty is incomplete. Perhaps the Foreign Minister could enlighten us further?”
Teijiro Toyoda bowed respectfully to the Prime Minister. He was dressed in civilian clothes this morning, not his naval uniform. None the less he sat next to the head of the Imperial Japanese Navy and opposite the Army faction. “As you gentlemen know I was not in favor of our alliance with Germany. When it was required that Minister Matsuoka resign I was quite reluctant to assume these duties, because I know well my own inadequacies.” He paused and smiled over at the army. Several generals bristled, Matsuoka had been their man. “It does seem clear that we are faced with a cruel dilemma. However, perhaps the army might be of assistance here. If the Germans were to request our assistance, what could we do for them?”
Hideki Tojo smiled at Toyoda. “It is most gracious of you to inquire into or capabilities. I can assure you gentlemen that the army is most capable of coming to the assistance of our allies.” Toyoda smiled and replied “Ah good then, the reports of our difficulties in Mongolia were obviously then gross exaggeration.* Should action against the Russians be necessary you can assure us that we would be victorious?” Tojo remained impassive. “It is possible we could deal with the Soviet army. But it would require a redirection of our forces. As you are aware we are currently heavily engaged in China. We would have to redirect the army and this could take some time.” “How long might this redeployment take?” asked the Chief of the Imperial Navy. “From three to six months. Of course it would be better to wait until the spring to deal with the Russians, otherwise our options would be quite restricted.”
Kido cleared his throat. “So if I was to inform his majesty that his advisors were to recommend a delay in any active engagement or implementation of the treaty, that would be the consensus?” Tojo looked sour for a moment. He could feel the Naval officers enjoying his discomfort. But he wasn’t ready. “You should inform his majesty that while the army is of course able and willing to immediately answer for the obligations under the treaty, at this time a delay would be better.” Kido turned to Toyoda. “What shall I tell his majesty concerning our communication to the Germans?” Toyoda looked to his side, at the other naval officers, “You may tell him that if Germany requests our active participation that we will have to decline such an offer for the foreseeable future. That the Imperial Staff and Council feel that Japan is not yet adequately prepared to immediately enter the war. However this condition is not permanent and we hope soon to be able to render greater assistance.”

August 19, 1941 – Berlin, Office of the Foreign Minister

Von Schulenburg stared at the door that ambassador Kurusu had just left. In truth he had not expected an immediate declaration of war from Japan. Still he had hoped for something more than vague promises of ‘forceful actions at a future date that would be advantageous to both Germany and the Empire of Japan’. He supposed this meant the end of the alliance, unless Japan did declare war soon. He would give them some time. If the Army could hold the Russians and drive them back, then the Japanese might well enter the war. He would advice the President that they should not call on Japan to immediately honor the treaty.
He looked down at his morning military and political briefing. The Russians were getting nowhere in Poland, but apparently Romania was a mess. The Hungarians were doing well, surprisingly well. Slovakia, Yugoslavia and Bulgaria all were mobilizing troops. He was surprised to see that the Russians had seized Ploesti, but it made sense. The army ran on oil and if the Russians could cut if off? He saw where the Bund in America had staged another big rally. Now that the communist were again the enemy, perhaps the Americans might not be so hostile. He scribbled a note in the margin to ask for a report from the ambassador on how to improve relations. The Italians were promising a whole army for the frontier. He wondered if it would be a help or hindrance. Still he made another note to make a formal statement of thanks and to send a personal note to Ciano. He supposed he would have to give them a seat at Lisbon, but God please keep them from actually talking.
He turned to the latest reports from the negotiations. The British were still stalling. Now that the Russians were in the war the British were in a stronger position. He made a note to see if the Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine were ready to resume activity against England proper. The timing could be critical. If he could make it look like Germany had no choice and was fighting to defend Christian civilization, than it might increase the pressure on Churchill’s government. Perhaps the Kaiser could help? He paused how strange to be thinking that way again. The announcement of the re-establishment of the monarchy had been met with definite public approval. Maybe it was time to use some of that approval. He wondered if Louis could help with the Americans, hadn’t he lived there for a while? Maybe the key to the English lay in America? He scribbled some more notes.

*At Khalkhin Gol and Lake Khasan the Japanese army was badly mauled by the Soviets, mainly because of bad logistics, horrible armor and terrible tactics.
 
In 1941 Russia was busy building the new Stalin Wall in Russian occupied Poland, In May and April the Gun's and Equipment was pulled from the old wall and prepared for shipment.

Delay the War 6 months, and the new Wall would have been ready.
Not that the wall could have stopped the Germans, But it would slow them long enuff for the Russian's rear troops to be ready
The Germans were building their own East Wall, This was stopped OTL when Barbarossa started in June, and not restarted till near the end of the war as the Russians approached.
ITTL both side have 2 extra months to work on them. I would expect that the Bunkers and Pillboxes would at least be ready, even if the Artillery isn't.


I'm surprised the Italians hadn't already demanded a seat in Lisbon, or started their own talks with London.
*At Khalkhin Gol and Lake Khasan the Japanese army was badly mauled by the Soviets, mainly because of bad logistics, horrible armor and terrible tactics.
And the Weather that grounded the Japanese Airforce.
 

Eurofed

Banned
While I won't go as far as Eurofed I can see pressure in Britain for an end to the war with Germany if they come up with an offer that reaches the public and sounds generous. Especially if it looks like their possibly losing to the Soviets. Frankly I think it would also be a good thing for Britain, depending on the details.

Well, on second thoughts maybe I went a bit too hard to stress my point (likely the effect of my anti-FDR and to a lesser degree anti-Churchill loathing; admittedly Churchill at least wished to contain Stalinist expansion in Europe), but I wanted to call attention to the fact that in this scenario, political conditions are not going to let Churchill and FDR indulge their Germanophobia without restraint, so Churchill can't go too unreasonable about peace conditions.

Anyway, still a very good TL, keep up the good work.
 
Amends

August 20, 1941 – Berlin, Office of the Chancellor

Kurt Daluege stood at attention in the Chancellor’s office. He had been standing their for some time as Goerdeler read out a list of complaints against Daluege. He had been given no opportunity to answer any charge. In fact when he attempted to speak he was silence by the Chancellor who than continued his list of abuse. Behind Daluege stood two military police officers. When he first entered the room he thought it rather strange that they would be standing there. Now he feared that they were waiting for Goerdeler to finish before taking him away. Sweat was beginning to run down his back and he could feel his stomach knotting. “Of course you were also something of a protégé of our former Minister of Propaganda and that could be added to the list of charges against you. In fact there are some who feel it should lead the list.” The Chancellor paused. “I have several on my staff who advised me simply to arrest you, hold a trial and have you shot.” Now Daluege’s stomach gave him sharp pain and he could feel a slight tremor in his left leg. “But I don’t behave the way of my predecessor and shot men out of hand. Effective immediately you are relieve of all of your duties over the Ordungspolizei. I have named your replacement already. It might interest you to know that until quite lately he was a guest in one of the very camps you were so fond of sending people too. You should thank God that I don’t send you there today.” He pointed to the two guards, “These two gentlemen are going to escort you to a facility we recently have established in the old Polish embassy. You will find quite a few of your fellow SS men there. At the proper time you will be informed of the disposition of your case. Get out.” The two guards came forward and removed Daluege. The Chancellor reached down for a glass of water to wash the taste of the man out of his mouth.
After composing himself for a moment, Goerdeler called for his secretary. “Otto, you can send in Rabbi Sosland now.” The wide doors to the Chancellor’s office opened and in walked a surprising young man. Goerdeler presumed he was a reform rabbi because he lacked what he understood were common Jewish accoutrements. The Chancellor stood and offered the Rabbi a seat. “Please Rabbi will you take a seat.” Cautiously Sosland sat down. “Can I offer you a refreshment, some water?” The Rabbi shook his head no. “Very well. First let me say that I hope you journey from Poland wasn’t difficult. The recent events on the Frontier have disrupted quite a few trains I hear.” He answered “No it was all quite pleasant, if somewhat surprising.” “Yes, I can imagine so. You see Rabbi the removal of the last Chancellor has allowed for a return to more traditional German values. It was my pledge when I took office that I would reverse the Jewish policies of the previous Regime. I had hoped to locate the Chief Rabbi for Berlin, but communications being what they are, well….” The Rabbi nodded and waited for the Chancellor to continue. Goerdeler reached for a large folder on his desk and pulled out several pieces of dense writing. “I have here various decrees, drafted by my office, signed by the President and soon to be announced. The central concern of these is a complete repeal of the various laws illegally enacted under the last regime. Effectively immediately your full citizenship is restored and a process will be set up to help you recover looted property. In fact I have already ordered the Rykestrasse synagogue reopened. I had hoped that you would feel comfortable holding Friday services there this week.” Sosland was stunned, he had expected many things when he was removed from the Ghetto a week ago, but this had never entered his mind.*
August 22, 1941 – Poland, Warsaw Ghetto

Christian Goerdeler** stood with his battalion and supervised the removal of the checkpoint in front of the Ghetto. The SS men were unarmed and sweating in the summer heat. A few tried to rest, but were quickly convinced by the field police to resume their detail. A crowd of Jews was gathering on the other side of the barrier watching the SS men work. Christian motioned for the camera crew to get some shots of the Jews watching the SS work. After half an hour the gap was large enough and Christian nodded to the crew again who set up a mike stand and flanked it with two cameras. When the signaled they were ready Christian walked up to the stand and spoke, speakers amplified his voice for the crowd and the film crew.
“Effective yesterday at 0600 hours the confinement of Jews in the Ghetto of Warsaw is ended. All Jews who can produce evidence of German nationality are to be immediately removed from the Ghetto and provided transport to refugee camps now being established in Germany. The rationing restrictions imposed by ex-Governor-General Frank are lifted. Mobile SS food kitchens manned by SS penal troops will immediately begin to feed all inhabitants of the Ghetto, Germans and Polish. Any sick or injured persons will be granted access to the recently appropriated SS hospital and SA facilities in Warsaw. Signed Rudolf Eberle, Governor-General of the Polish Territories.” He finished and stood back for the Cameras. After a moment he walked over to the propaganda crew, “Get a shot of the contrast there. I like how the SS men look handing out their rations to the Jews here.” He was right the photo became world famous.

August 23, 1941, London, Legation of the Polish Government in Exile

Prime Minister Sikoski looked again at the letter delivered by the Swiss Attaché. He could scarcely believe its contents. Stanislaw Mikolajczyk came into the room. “What was in the letter?” he asked. Sikoski looked at the politician. A most amazing proposal. It is a communication from the Germans. They are offering to recognize our government in exile and the legitimate government of Poland. They offer transit to Warsaw for myself and staff and permission to resume civilian control of the General Government,” he paused “until such a time as a formal treaty of peace can end the unfortunate hostilities between us.” “Good God in Heaven.” Blurted Mikolajczyk “They will let us back into Warsaw and give us control? How much control, what are the…” “The letter is just a general offer. But they want to establish formal communication with us. They want to end the war, or so they say.” Both men were stunned. Sikoski wondered what the English would do, than he laughed, he wondered what he himself would do.


*Goerdeler was a strong defender of Jews even under the Nazi gov’t he tried to offer several plans for Jewish citizenship or statehood as alternatives to genocide. He was one of the few government officials to actually file protests when Jews were removed from his city (Leipzig) If given the power of Chancellor restoration of citizenship would have been one of his first step, no doubt well publicized to the West.
**Goerdeler’s son was actually killed in our TL fighting in Russia in 1942. Here he was transferred back to Warsaw to oversee this operation as part of a propaganda offensive.
 

Hashasheen

Banned
August 23, 1941, London, Legation of the Polish Government in Exile

Prime Minister Sikoski looked again at the letter delivered by the Swiss Attaché. He could scarcely believe its contents. Stanislaw Mikolajczyk came into the room. “What was in the letter?” he asked. Sikoski looked at the politician. A most amazing proposal. It is a communication from the Germans. They are offering to recognize our government in exile and the legitimate government of Poland. They offer transit to Warsaw for myself and staff and permission to resume civilian control of the General Government,” he paused “until such a time as a formal treaty of peace can end the unfortunate hostilities between us.” “Good God in Heaven.” Blurted Mikolajczyk “They will let us back into Warsaw and give us control? How much control, what are the…” “The letter is just a general offer. But they want to establish formal communication with us. They want to end the war, or so they say.” Both men were stunned. Sikoski wondered what the English would do, than he laughed, he wondered what he himself would do.
Why in the hell would they do this? :confused:
 
Why in the hell would they do this? :confused:

Well first I doubt the Germans thank the Poles will take the offer. After all if they accept it looks like they are willing to take the defacto borders of the General Government. Second it is part of a wider diplomatic offensive designed to cut the support for the pro-War faction in the UK. Third Beck in our TL actually thought the Poles would accept the General Government borders (which they wouldn't). Finally if the Poles took the deal is is just civilian control and I would expect the Government in Exile would soon find out that it controlled little more than the a few buildings in Warsaw.

J - Gemellus
 

Hashasheen

Banned
Well first I doubt the Germans thank the Poles will take the offer. After all if they accept it looks like they are willing to take the defacto borders of the General Government. Second it is part of a wider diplomatic offensive designed to cut the support for the pro-War faction in the UK. Third Beck in our TL actually thought the Poles would accept the General Government borders (which they wouldn't). Finally if the Poles took the deal is is just civilian control and I would expect the Government in Exile would soon find out that it controlled little more than the a few buildings in Warsaw.

J - Gemellus
Ah. Understood. Comprende. Siento. Gracias. :D:p;)
 
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