I just don't get it with these British Greens. They're nuts and they're really quite annoying.
Any update soon with this?
Waiting for some others to help me out with the AH.com reaction that I was planning on doing.
Hopefully, it will be done soon.
I just don't get it with these British Greens. They're nuts and they're really quite annoying.
Any update soon with this?
Originally Posted by The Red
I'm no fan of Cameron, but forming a completely undemocratic coalition to keep him out helps no-one but the Tories. Even if this coalition does survive the five years, it will be incredibly unpopular and combined with the cuts they'll need to make, is going to devastate the Labour party for a generation.
Originally Posted by Constantinople
Ah, I mean. I sort of saw this coming. I mean the Tories would only work with the LibDems and just barely at that. But it could have worked, honestly. I can't believe Brown and company actually went and did it! Why don't they just slit their own throats while they're at it?
Originally Posted by Aracnid
To be honest I don't really buy the anti-democratic message, as much as I may hate it the "progressive forces of British politics" to use Mandelson's phrase got more votes and more seats than we did and thus earned the right to form government. But I'm opposed to this coalition on two points.
a.) It's not going to work, while there is a degree of common "progressive" ideology among the Lib Dems and Labour and that sort of coalition might be practical with this big a coalition there isn't a common view of the world. Look at the last Coalition this country saw, the National Government of the 30's. Now whatever the internal disagreements on the major issues of the day they were united, Treasury view economics, appeasement of Germany, then when war broke out winning it. This time around elements of the Coalition is totally ideologically hostile, most notably on Scotland. The SNP are committed to Scottish Independence, Labour and the Lib Dems are bitterly opposed. That's not the sort of difference that can be split down the middle. Half a dozen similar divisions are present including Tuition Fee's, Trident, the Electoral system etc. and while the focus will be deficit reduction those three issues are going to have to be dealt with in this Parliament.
b.) It doesn't represent the whole country. As much as I dislike them Labour and Lib Dems are national parties committed to acting in the national interest with voters from all over the country, even if they normally get the decisions wrong. The SNP and Plaid are not, they have no right to make decisions and support a government acting on behalf of everyone when they don't even pretend to be national parties and are purely regional. Never has the West Lothian question been more pressing.
Originally Posted by Constantinople
I guess Brown would be staying awhile too then right? Considering how unpopular *he* is and then he's going to be managing an unpopular government of what, like 6 parties?.... Nationalists, liberals (the orangebookers are going to be pissed), a green, the Irish parties... It can't last.
Originally Posted by Basileus Giorgios
I'm in two minds about this. On the one hand, it's an outrageous violation of democratic principles, and really does show the Liberal Democrats up as Labour's little bitches. The Conservatives have clearly won the election in terms of votes and seats, and yet the Lib Dems still spurn them for this absurd idea of a deal with Labour.
On the other hand, though, it cannot last. Electoral reform won't get past the Labour backbenchers, the scale of the cuts bearing down on England that are the price for nationalist support will shake Labour backbenchers further, and, most importantly, the Labour Party is too exhausted to govern. I'd be very surprised if David Cameron hasn't won a decent sized majority in a year's time.
Originally Posted by Constantinople
Well I'm sure behind all the indignation, Cameron and his party is absolutely thrilled about the inevitable Toryslide. Anyone wanna guess how long Browns rainbow dream is going to last? I give it, ah, 8-10 months.
I like my appearance, otherwise while this enhances the story it doesn't progress it. That means there is little to comment on.
You'd have squeezed a comment out of me if you'd represented me in your little fake quote box![]()
I do like the style, though. Bitty but not in a bad way, and the voices are all quite convincing. I don't *think* Clegg would use the term 'Islington Mafia', though, as... well, he's a member of it, and besides it's a little combative for a BBC interview, even 4 years on.
10th May 2011
Salmond even knew that, if given the chance, many Southern Tories would gladly allow Scotland independence if it meant more power to them.
You're wrong there. Poll after poll confirms that English Tory voters are substantially more pro-Union than other Englishmen and my experience in the Tory Party is that a desire to get rid of Scotland is held by at a max 2.5% of activists and MP's.
Then again Salmond could be deluding himself, he has to realise there is no way the Tories are going to vote through a independence referendum.
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They'll be playing that from loudspeakers mounted on helicopters as the Kill Squads move in onto the council estates.
Couldn't agree more, loathsome party.