The Borgias

It seems young Luisa Borgia was suo jure Duchess of Valentinois but lost the title at some point, as Diane de Poitiers was made Duchess of Valentinois in 1548 when Luisa was still alive.

In a scenario where Cesare lives longer, he conquers Tuscany and becomes Duke of Florence. I think the most likely would be for him to make Giovanni Borgia, the Infans Romanus and Duke of Camerino, his heir, and tie him by marriage to whatever foreign power was willing to let them stay in power. Alternatively Cesare could make Luisa his heiress and marry her to Gaston de Foixe, the nephew of King Louis of France and King Ferdinand the Catholic, husband of Ferdinand's second wife Germaine and therefore as mutually acceptable a choice as any to rule Tuscany, Marche and the Romagna. A lot depends on whether or not his father lives longer too.
 
Thanks Constantine, all the sources I could find declare her lieage as unknown, and I thought with a surname like "de Milan y Aragon" they were maybe a bastard branch of the Sforza/Neapolitan royal families.

I think a Foix-Candale central Italy could be interesting. Since maybe if Germaine de Foix has a daughter instead of a son by Fernando el Catolico, she could be married to Cesare's son in a way of Aragon claiming Navarre through the boy's mother (the king of Navarre's sister)
 
I can understand Charlotte d'Albret's value as sister to the king of Navarre, but I was just wondering if Cesare had married a princess from an Italian family (much like Lucrezia) would it be the first step to securing the Borgia "empire"?
Were there any such princesses (besides Sancia of Naples) available? And if so, who?
 
I can understand Charlotte d'Albret's value as sister to the king of Navarre, but I was just wondering if Cesare had married a princess from an Italian family (much like Lucrezia) would it be the first step to securing the Borgia "empire"?
Were there any such princesses (besides Sancia of Naples) available? And if so, who?

At the time of Lucretia's second wedding (with Alonso of Naples, the brother of Sancia) Caesar hoped to marry another Charlotte, the legitimate daughter of the King of Naples (Sancia and Alonso were natural children of Charlotte's uncle). The girl refused vehemently the match, her father either was not exactly happy to having Caesar Borgia as son-in-law and the Pope was obliged to search another bride for Caesar (and the King of France was happy to give Charlotte of Albret's hand to Caesar in exchange of the Papal annullement of his first wedding and the permission of marry his predecessor's (and former father-in-law) widow, the Duchess of Brittany). Obviously in the end that change of alliance (France instead of Naples) cost the life to Lucretia's second husband (who was Charlotte's cousin) and make the way for her third and final wedding with Alfonso d'Este
 
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Charlotte of Naples aside since the French wanted her for their queen before Anne de Bretagne became available; any other princesses? Gonzaga? Medici? Este? Della Rovere/Riario (unlikely since Caterina Sforza, contessa di Forli, was married to a Riario and Julius II was a della Rovere.
 
Charlotte of Naples aside since the French wanted her for their queen before Anne de Bretagne became available; any other princesses? Gonzaga? Medici? Este? Della Rovere/Riario (unlikely since Caterina Sforza, contessa di Forli, was married to a Riario and Julius II was a della Rovere.

That doesn't sound right. Before Anne of Brittany marries Charles VIII, he was engaged to Margaret of Austria. Same with Louis XII, except he was married, to Joan de Valois, instead of engaged. A Medici would probably be the best choice.
 
Well, in my defense, I read on Wikipedia that Anne de France brought Charlotte to France with the intention of improving the position of France in Naples after the annulment of Charles VIII's betrothal to Margarethe of Austria. However, Anne of Brittany became available, and Charlotte was discarded. Thereafter, Charlotte married Guy XVI de Laval, one of the more prestigious peers in France - passing the claim to the throne of Naples to her sole surviving child, Anne, who married into the la Tremoille family
 
Well, in my defense, I read on Wikipedia that Anne de France brought Charlotte to France with the intention of improving the position of France in Naples after the annulment of Charles VIII's betrothal to Margarethe of Austria. However, Anne of Brittany became available, and Charlotte was discarded. Thereafter, Charlotte married Guy XVI de Laval, one of the more prestigious peers in France - passing the claim to the throne of Naples to her sole surviving child, Anne, who married into the la Tremoille family

Where on Wikipedia? Cause there was no real space between the end of the Betrothal to Margaret of Austria and the marriage to the Duchess of Brittany.
 
About a possible Neapolitan match for any of the Borgias, why not marry Sancia to Juan/Giovanni instead of Gioffre? After all, she had no problem having an affair with him and Cesare after marrying a younger husband.
Then, secondly, if Carlotta (the later comtesse de Laval) refuses, why not marry Cesare to her half-aunt, Giovanna (yes, the same Giovanna/Joanna who was considered as a second wife for Henry VII of England)? After all, they are the same age, and Giovanna (who had the benefit of not being the daughter of the reigning king, although she might be still less-inclined to trade in her rank as "Her Majesty, the Dowager Queen" for "Her Grace, the Duchess").
 
Where on Wikipedia? Cause there was no real space between the end of the Betrothal to Margaret of Austria and the marriage to the Duchess of Brittany.

Considering who the forced (for her) wedding of Anne of Brittany and Charles VIII had place when he was still betrothed with Margaret and shew was still marry for proxy with Maximilian of Austria...
Anne of Brittany became available for the French King only when his army capture her..

About a possible Neapolitan match for any of the Borgias, why not marry Sancia to Juan/Giovanni instead of Gioffre? After all, she had no problem having an affair with him and Cesare after marrying a younger husband.
Then, secondly, if Carlotta (the later comtesse de Laval) refuses, why not marry Cesare to her half-aunt, Giovanna (yes, the same Giovanna/Joanna who was considered as a second wife for Henry VII of England)? After all, they are the same age, and Giovanna (who had the benefit of not being the daughter of the reigning king, although she might be still less-inclined to trade in her rank as "Her Majesty, the Dowager Queen" for "Her Grace, the Duchess").

Because Juan was already married with a Spanish aristocratic lady and he also had already Spanish lands and a Dukedom
 
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I was wondering if there's any other evidence besides its mention in passing that Luisa Borgia was engaged to be marry Federico II of Mantua in 1502. Though Federico II also played fast and loose since before his union with Margherita of Monferrato, he was engaged to her sister, Maria, as well as to Giulia/Isabella of Aragon, princess of Naples, so I think he mightve only shown interest in Luisa as long as she was the granddaughter of the pope
 
If Cesare had not been as ill as he was at the time of Pius III's death, which of the cardinals in Borgia thrall might be elected pope?

And if someone could answer my previous question about Luisa and Gonzaga too it would be much appreciated.
 
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