The Beer Hall Putsch suceeds!

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Now if the Nazis manage to take Bavaria, how hard would it be for them to take the rest of Germany, perticulerly East Prussia.

Not hard, but impossible! At that time the NSDAP was a tiny, regional party of right wing extremists.
 
As a side issue, a successful putsch was the basis for Ty Bomba's game Tomorrow the World which outlines a scenario where Germany and japan defeat the allies and ends up with the Reich and the Japanese Empire in a global struggle for supremacy (I think the Japs attack first, Hitler's response was to strip them of their honorary Aryan status...the dastard).

Such delights as VI army trapped at Festung Manhatten. I seem to remember that last time I played it the Japanese won, but large tracts of Russia, North America and Europe were reduced to radioactive rubble.....ahh the delights of atomic weapons and no moral conscience:D
 
lol, well the TL depicted by Ty Bomba has a much closer degree of Nazi Japanese co-operation and sharing of ideas. Although this was fairly obviously just to ensure that both sides were evenly matched in the final standoff. This leads to Hitler generously declaring them to be 'Honorary Aryans', the Japanese response to this is not recorded but I suspect would along the lines of...'wow, thanks a million, we feel sooo special now':D
 
Bavaria breaks away from Germany, forming their own independent country under the influence of the Nazis. What about that?

Unlikely, as Hitler was a vehement German nationalist (to say the least). In fact, his first meeting with the DAP (later NSDAP) was when he heard them support Bavarian secession. He spoke against it so eloquently that they invited him to the Party.
 
Unlikely, as Hitler was a vehement German nationalist (to say the least). In fact, his first meeting with the DAP (later NSDAP) was when he heard them support Bavarian secession. He spoke against it so eloquently that they invited him to the Party.

Eh, his opinion, IMO, isn't set in stone.

Of course, if he does gain control of the country, the French probably occupy the Ruhr. Again.
 

Vault-Scope

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Where, where, WHERE?

lol, well the TL depicted by Ty Bomba has a much closer degree of Nazi Japanese co-operation and sharing of ideas. Although this was fairly obviously just to ensure that both sides were evenly matched in the final standoff. This leads to Hitler generously declaring them to be 'Honorary Aryans', the Japanese response to this is not recorded but I suspect would along the lines of...'wow, thanks a million, we feel sooo special now':D

Any linkz 2 that?
 
National-Socialists are beaten back on their march to Berlin but weimar governement faces military takeover, which resultes in massive strikes and leftwing insurrections. Southern Germany, known as Bavaria, becomes independent.
French make the Rhineland into a vassale state, secession of western Prussia and other regions from Berlin governement. Monarchists takes over Hambuurg and from there installe puppet state of Westphalia-Hanover.
The Bavarians raises vaste armies and re-arme.
1925: Coup in Austria followed by Bavarian invasion, French protests but doesnt intervene as situation in the Rhineland is still unstable. Hungarya allies with the new entity, this alliance is known as the Central Powers.
1930: Bavarya-Austria forces the secession of Croatia and Slovenia from Yougoslavia.
1932: Czecoslovakia attacked & crushed. Slovakia becomes independent
1933: The Central Powers attacks Romania, which had stopped oil exportations a year earlier.
France & Britain condemn the move but doesn´t declare war as they have no common borders with the Central Powers.
1934: The central powers launches a massive attack into the Rhineland, within weeks they are victorious. France intervenes but their invading forces are defeated by blitzkrieg tactics.
Polish armies advances westward, against rump German military state.
1935: Second French attack is repelled after hard fightings, the Central Powers moves northward, seizing Hamburg from the British and soon faces the Polish invaders in battle.
1936: Poland is not only beaten out of German territories but invaded, Soviet-Union declares war to the central powers.
1937: Major offensive westward, Minsk and Kiev seized.
1938: Offensive against Holland and Belgium is a trappe, France is invaded and gives up.
1939: Seizure of the Caucase by the Central Powers. Soviet-Union is forced into armistice, Britain soon follows.

Where in God's name does Germany get the economic and military power to pull this off????:eek:
 
If the Bierhallen-Putsch is successful, Hitler has Munich, not Bavaria. The revolutionary red government of 1918/19 also had only Munich, and not Bavaria.
Should be little effort for the Reichswehr to remove the insurgents.
 

Vault-Scope

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Where in God's name does Germany get the economic and military power to pull this off????:eek:

It is all relative. IOTL Hitler sought to increase living standards, that significantly delayed militarisation.
ITTL Hitler takes power far earlier and large-scale industrialisation starts from the beginning, much like Stalin did IOTL.

In 1932, southern Germany have been building upp for nearly 7 years, have an offensive army above the million. In their attack against the Czechs, they are helped by Hungaryan, Croatia, Slovenian armies and a Slovak rebellion.
Having taken control of Czech industry and gained a new allie (Slovakia), 1933 Romania is even less of a problem.

Only in TTL 1936, where Hitler have been in power for nearly 13 years(longer than the 3rd Reich existed IOTL), does united Germany reachs IOTL 1940 military level.
TTL 1937: Central Powers armies are the size of IOTL european axis armies in 1941 and 1942.
TTL 1938: Industry of France, Belgium and Holland is quickly absorbed into the general war effort.
Industrial production is enhanced even further by that, reaches the level of 1944 axis by the end of the year.
While TTL Germany have taken large losses, it have faced no Kursk-type event yet.
As a result, military and industrial capacities of the central powers continue to grow further.

TTL 1939: Central Power´s military strenght, technological advance and industrial power reaches a level unseen by IOTL european axis.
Britain only reachs IOTL 1942-1943 level.
Sovietic large-scale industrialisation and technological advance have been delayed by several years.
Thus, even if Red army has reached IOTL 1942 strenght(and far better battle experience), it cannot grow much beyond that level.
 
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Germany didn't have the economic strength to build their army that much faster and even if it did the rest of the World would either strangle Germany in its grave or increase its armaments production..
 
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