The beachump and stafford inhertences unite in the 15th century

Humphrey stafford the eldest son of the 1st duke of buckingham is betrothed to the massively younger anne beauchamp heiress of the duke of Warwick. When she turn 15 they marry Humphrey is 33 and childless. There marriage despite the massive age diffrence is happy and produces 3 boys and 4 girls. The duke of buckingham died the same year of his eldest sons mariage and the new duke decides to avoid politics and just run his eastes. How does English dynastic politics go with the holder of the beachump and stafford inhertences staying out of politics as much as possible? How far does the man known as the kingmaker in otl go without his wife's massive inhertence? Who wins the war of the roses? Is there a war of the roses? Can this new English aristocractic mega power survive?
 
It was the combination of York and Warwick that overthrew Henry VI, so Henry VI probably survives. A Buckingham-Warwick combination is so super-powerful that I can't see many lesser Barons moving without its support. Ricard Nevill is justthe son of the earl of Salisbury, who OTL was killed in 1460, so without the WotR presumably lives longer. So Richard Neville barely figures.
 
Interesting however Anne Beauchamp and Humphrey were very closely related which of course doesn't rule out a match - though a betrothal would be needed very early (in otl Humphrey married sometime in the early 50s to Margaret Beaufort and his son was born in 1454). Plus her father and his had a row over precedence after the later was raised to Duke of Warwick. Assuming Warwick dies on schedule then Anne and her vast estates are under control of the crown - so it depends who the King effectively would rather give her and her estates too. Given that Henry VI decided to give Margaret Beaufort dau of the 1st Duke of Somerset to his half brother in order to endow him with wealth why not give him Anne Beauchamp instead and hand Margaret off to another supporter of the crown or her first marriage to Suffolk's son goes through and sticks.
 
Interesting however Anne Beauchamp and Humphrey were very closely related which of course doesn't rule out a match - though a betrothal would be needed very early (in otl Humphrey married sometime in the early 50s to Margaret Beaufort and his son was born in 1454). Plus her father and his had a row over precedence after the later was raised to Duke of Warwick. Assuming Warwick dies on schedule then Anne and her vast estates are under control of the crown - so it depends who the King effectively would rather give her and her estates too. Given that Henry VI decided to give Margaret Beaufort dau of the 1st Duke of Somerset to his half brother in order to endow him with wealth why not give him Anne Beauchamp instead and hand Margaret off to another supporter of the crown or her first marriage to Suffolk's son goes through and sticks.
Humphrey and her are betrothed just right after she is born. He just stays a bachelor for a really long time.
 
Interesting however Anne Beauchamp and Humphrey were very closely related which of course doesn't rule out a match - though a betrothal would be needed very early (in otl Humphrey married sometime in the early 50s to Margaret Beaufort and his son was born in 1454). Plus her father and his had a row over precedence after the later was raised to Duke of Warwick. Assuming Warwick dies on schedule then Anne and her vast estates are under control of the crown - so it depends who the King effectively would rather give her and her estates too. Given that Henry VI decided to give Margaret Beaufort dau of the 1st Duke of Somerset to his half brother in order to endow him with wealth why not give him Anne Beauchamp instead and hand Margaret off to another supporter of the crown or her first marriage to Suffolk's son goes through and sticks.


So the De la Poles could end up as Lancastrian pretenders instead of Yorkist ones.
 
You know that's not the pod

Well, going back to the OP there's not a lot to add to my first response. The union of two of England's three biggest baronies means that the Staffords and not the Nevilles will be the "Kingmakers" should the WotR still break out. So the Lancastrians probably survive, unless some butterfly causes Prince Edward to not get born, or be born a girl. Long term though, it's an unstable situation, with lots of scope for trouble should this over-mighty subject ever fall out with the King.
 
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Well, going back to the OP there's not a lot to add to my first response. The union of two of England's three biggest baronies means that the Staffords and not the Nevilles will be the "Kingmakers" should the WotR still break out. So the Lancastrians probably survive, unless some butterfly causes Prince Edward to not get born, or be born a girl. Long term though, it's and unstable situation, with lots of scope for trouble should this over-mighty subject ever fall out with the King.
But the current head of the stafford acording to my op is uninterested in the war and just wants to manage his estates. That sould have an effect right? Also how can this situation be made stable long term?
 
But the current head of the stafford acording to my op is uninterested in the war and just wants to manage his estates. That sould have an effect right? Also how can this situation be made stable long term?

I don't see how it can. Even if the current Duke is content with that passive role, sooner or later there'll be a son or grandson who isn't. And then there's liable to be trouble.
 
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What do you mean by passive role? And what kind of trouble?

Sorry. I've corrected the message.

The trouble could be any number of things. But if a you have a subject with probably greater resources at his command than the King has,, and disagreement between them is likely tocause problems.
 
Sorry. I've corrected the message.

The trouble could be any number of things. But if a you have a subject with probably greater resources at his command than the King has,, and disagreement between them is likely tocause problems.
Wait the combined beachump and stafford inheritance is greater then the kings own reasourse?
 
Wait the combined beachump and stafford inheritance is greater then the kings own reasourse?

It could well be. The combined Warwick and York baronies were enough to defeat Henry VI in the WotR, and a Warwick/Buckingham combination would be similar.
 
It could well be. The combined Warwick and York baronies were enough to defeat Henry VI in the WotR, and a Warwick/Buckingham combination would be similar.
That seems like an oversimplfaction of the war of the rose. While the yokrist had less barons they still had other barons. And victory for the yokrist was very much in doubt at times
 
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