Of course, it's always possible that Lovecraft might've grown as a person if he lived longer, resulting in his works' themes being somewhat different from IOTL.
Just consider that Gene Roddenberry, while the show Star Trek was ahead of it's time in race and gender, apparently personally Roddenberry slept with all of his female stars, using his office to connect with the women's dressing room. He was only slightly less creepy than Harvey Weinstein. He also used Chinatown sweatshop labor to produce costumes. The point being that his show is remembered for the ideals rather than his moral failures...
 
Just consider that Gene Roddenberry, while the show Star Trek was ahead of it's time in race and gender, apparently personally Roddenberry slept with all of his female stars, using his office to connect with the women's dressing room. He was only slightly less creepy than Harvey Weinstein. He also used Chinatown sweatshop labor to produce costumes. The point being that his show is remembered for the ideals rather than his moral failures...

What will happen if those moral failures become exposed?
 
Here's some more:

October 20, 1961:
Ping (ACE Games) an upgraded Tennis For Two, makes its hot debut in the arcades, becoming a major bestseller,...

April 3, 1963: ACE Games officially releases Spacewar!, created by the newly-hired Steve Russell and his fellow members of the Tech Model Railroad Club (TMRC) at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT),...

June 5, 1964: Starfighter (ACE Games) makes its hot debut in the arcades, becoming a major bestseller,...

November 15, 1964: Bombing Run (ACE Games) makes its hot debut in the arcades, becoming a major bestseller,...

March 10, 1966: Baseball Stars (ACE Games) makes its hot debut in the arcades, becoming a major bestseller,...

August 1, 1968: Alien Invasion (ACE Games) makes its hot debut in the arcades, becoming a major bestseller,...
 
Here is another one to make fun of the situation:

March 14, 1968: Batman (ABC-TV) "The Bat vs. The Octopus" starring Adam West and Burt Ward, features Batman doing the "Batusi" dance against spandex-wearing Cthulhu worshippers led by Ernest Borgnine, who use "the Octopus" as their dance move,...
 

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Of course, it's always possible that Lovecraft might've grown as a person if he lived longer, resulting in his works' themes being somewhat different from IOTL.

There's actually a huge nugget of truth in this imo - so later in life, Lovecraft was actually palling around with United Amateur Press member and noted anarchist James Morton, whom actually introduced him to his wife Sonia Greene. There were indeed still rocks in Lovecraft's worldview and his relationship with Morton's progressivism, but it's notable that Morton was, seemingly at least, seeing Lovecraft's huge literary chops and wanted him to get out of the squalor and regression in his Providence digs, which his two aunts actively opposed. The other interesting thing is that you can kinda see the impression on his work, as over time, you see less and less material about foreign hordes at the gates, and actually more material about alienation which focuses the victims of xenophobia as being not in the wrong, such as In The Walls of Eryx, and Lovecraft actively began to shed his antisemitism and support FDR's progressive measures towards the end.

This is very much what-if, but given the trajectory that Morton's influence brought on HP's later life - if you butterfly Lovecraft's illness and get him on this upward trajectory, and then have him see WWII, well that's kinda like a full-on refutation of his ideas of eugenics, genteel fascism, race science, etc., what with the death of so many people and the collapse of Europe, the supposed ultimate in civilization. At the extreme, I think you can basically swap out themes in his work as well - have the Great Old Ones and Elder Gods begin to symbolize things like systemic oppression and alienation rather than a xenophobe's fear of the other, with the biggest what-if being if Lovecraft incorporates ideas of collective action being able to combat the GOOs and Elders.

At the most extreme in my mind, you could kinda get earlier, weirder Star Trek, kinda like how Bruce Munro did with The Star Treks Are Right.
 
Like this one:

(Insert date here): Lovecraft's Strange Tales animated children's show by Tiburon Entertainment and Virgo Media Publishing, makes it's hot debut,...

Also, how about an animation studio that is founded by Pat Sullivan and owns all of Sullivan's characters including Felix the Cat.

Perhaps the studio should be called Tiburon Entertainment.
 
There's actually a huge nugget of truth in this imo - so later in life, Lovecraft was actually palling around with United Amateur Press member and noted anarchist James Morton, whom actually introduced him to his wife Sonia Greene. There were indeed still rocks in Lovecraft's worldview and his relationship with Morton's progressivism, but it's notable that Morton was, seemingly at least, seeing Lovecraft's huge literary chops and wanted him to get out of the squalor and regression in his Providence digs, which his two aunts actively opposed. The other interesting thing is that you can kinda see the impression on his work, as over time, you see less and less material about foreign hordes at the gates, and actually more material about alienation which focuses the victims of xenophobia as being not in the wrong, such as In The Walls of Eryx, and Lovecraft actively began to shed his antisemitism and support FDR's progressive measures towards the end.

This is very much what-if, but given the trajectory that Morton's influence brought on HP's later life - if you butterfly Lovecraft's illness and get him on this upward trajectory, and then have him see WWII, well that's kinda like a full-on refutation of his ideas of eugenics, genteel fascism, race science, etc., what with the death of so many people and the collapse of Europe, the supposed ultimate in civilization. At the extreme, I think you can basically swap out themes in his work as well - have the Great Old Ones and Elder Gods begin to symbolize things like systemic oppression and alienation rather than a xenophobe's fear of the other, with the biggest what-if being if Lovecraft incorporates ideas of collective action being able to combat the GOOs and Elders.

At the most extreme in my mind, you could kinda get earlier, weirder Star Trek, kinda like how Bruce Munro did with The Star Treks Are Right.

CannedTech, you are a very useful person for this TL. Can you please join us? I'll allow you to join our conversation.
 

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CannedTech, you are a very useful person for this TL. Can you please join us? I'll allow you to join our conversation.

I'm not sure I can fully commit to this since I've a bunch of projects on my end, but I can offer some assistance in analysis of HP's life or maybe the structure of his theoretical works past the point of his progressive turn.
 
I would have Tiburon Entertainment in Tiburon, California. The town is just across the bay from San Francisco, and would have easy access to the Asian-American community for anime artists...

Like this one:

October 6, 1977 : Lovecraft's Strange Tales syndicated animated children's show by Tiburon Entertainment and Virgo Media Publishing, featuring the voice of Vincent Price makes it's hit debut,...

Also, how about an animation studio that is founded by Pat Sullivan and owns all of Sullivan's characters including Felix the Cat.

Perhaps the studio should be called Tiburon Entertainment.
 
I would have Tiburon Entertainment in Tiburon, California. The town is just across the bay from San Francisco, and would have easy access to the Asian-American community for anime artists...

Sure

With that, Perhaps they'll also import anime from Japan staring with the Space Battleship Yamato movie and the TV show Star Blazers. (Though the releasing will be either MGM, United Artists, or Tiburon themselves)

Also, they'll be a lot better than Hanna Barbera, a studio so cheap it kept riping it's self off.
 
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Happy Holidays to all!!!
 
Here are a few PODs to flag that the Anglo-French Commonweath, would be disastrous despite claims that it would be in America's best interests:

March 9, 1951: British government is implicated in an unsuccessful plot against the government of Liaquat Ali Khan in Rawalpindi, fueling anti- British sentiment in the region,...

September 21, 1954: British military forces install Ghulam Muhammad as head of the government in a military coup in Islamabad, fueling anti-British sentiment in the region,...

April 21-26, 1961: French generals led by Andre Zeller, Raoul Salan, and Maurice Challe, demand French independence from the Anglo-French Union, in a failed coup attempt in Paris, sparking international attention,...

January 27, 1962: Anglo-French Union troops are deployed to Sri Jayawardenepura Kotte, after nationalist erupts in Ceylon,...

February 18, 1964: Gabonese President Leon M'ba is overthrown by Anglo-French Union troops, fueling anti-Western sentiment throughout Sub-Saharan Africa,...

February 18, 1966: Anglo-French troops are deployed to Ceylon, after General Denzil Kobekkaduwa launches a coup in Colombo, fueling political tensions in the region,....

April 17, 1967: Anglo-French Union troops are deployed to Accra, Ghana in an effort to support the military government sparking anti-Western sentiment in Sub-Saharan Africa,...

March 25, 1969: Anglo-French Union troops clash with pro-democracy forces led by Agha Muhammad Yahya in Islamabad, Pakistan, sparking international attention and concern,...

March 25, 1971: Anglo-French Union troops are deployed into Mujibnajar, Bangladesh, crushing pro-democracy forces by Mukti Bahini, sparking international attention and concern,...

January 13, 1972: Anglo-French Union troops are deployed into Accra, Ghana firing on pro-democracy leaders led by Kofi Busia, sparking international attention and concern,...

August 20, 1973: Anglo-French Union troops launch air strikes in Vientiane, Laos, in a failed attempt to crush nationalist sentiments,....

June 4, 1979: Military forces led by Jerry John Rawlings overthrow the government in Accra, Ghana, sparking international attention and concern,...

September 20, 1979: Jean Bedel Bokassa I survives a failed attempt to overthrow his government by Anglo-French Union troops in Bangui, Central African Republic,...

Based on these developments alone, political tensions would have been disastrous.
 
Now that Christmas is over, it's time to get down to business!

With that, Perhaps they'll also import anime from Japan staring with the Space Battleship Yamato movie and the TV show Star Blazers. (Though the releasing will be either MGM, United Artists, or Tiburon themselves)

Also, they'll be a lot better than Hanna Barbera, a studio so cheap it kept riping it's self off.
 
Now that Christmas is over, it's time to get down to business!

So, is this good?

December 14, 1918: Tiburon Entertainment is founded as Feline Follies Productions in Tiburon, California by Pat Sullivan to to produce animated cartoons, including his creation Felix the Cat.
 
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