The Balkan Union(The balkan countries unite after the Balkan war)

PART I
After the first Balkan war in 1912 the balkan countries(Montenegro,Serbia,Bulgaria and Greece) turn into one nation-The Balkan Union(TBU),so that they could defend themselves against the Ottoman Empire.
Capital:Sofia(Yes,that is because I am bulgarian,but Bulgaria would be second in by population in the TBU)
Official Languages:Montenegrin,Serbian,Greek and Bulgarian
Population:about 13 million
Form of government:constitutional monarchy
THE BALKAN COUNCIL
The Balkan Council is made out of the monarchs of the former nations:
George I of Greece:
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Peter I of Serbia:
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Ferdinand I of Bulgaria:
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King Nikola of Montenegro:
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The most important part of the government,but not the only one. TBU constitution gives them more power,but not absolute power.
1st Prime Minister of TBU was Eleftherios Venizelos.He was considered to be the best choice by the Balkan Council (BC):
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THE SECOND BALKAN WAR:
The preparations for this war were very fast because of the first war.The war started on the 1st of March 1913.The Ottoman empire started to advance in the beginning but when TBU gathered their armies they pushed the Ottomans and after a few months(on the 15th of October 1913)the war ends with the Treaty of Constantinople-The Ottomans have to cede Constantinople to the TBU an pay war reparation of about 500 000 Ottoman lira.From now the capital of TBU will be Constantinople.That is a map of TBU after the war.
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(Please tell me what do you think of this.I made it for about an hour and I will continue with WWI soon.)
 
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Do you have any documents/books that talk about doing this in OTL? Anything that shows it was actually considered, so we can help with a POD to make it possible?
 
I rather dislike says it cannot be done but aside from the difficulty in uniting all these disparate elements, what does Austro-Hungary have to say? Assuming this assemblage was in fact proposed and even considered, I think the A-H Empire would be one of its biggest enemies. I am not certain Russia is in favor given how it might actually work and displace them from the lead in Balkan affairs. Does Germany have an eye on the Ottomans? If so it certainly might threaten how they view the Balkans if it looks too much like a friend of Russia. And so on. The great powers tampered in the Balkans to a crisscross and mish-mash of petty and legacy agenda, rarely looking far to the future and more often grabbing opportunity and setting up another knot. You need to navigate dangerous waters to realistically achieve this. Perhaps the Balkan War goes better for the Ottomans and it is barely one by such an alliance? You need more seeds I think but the potential is quite a big one.
 
Do you have any documents/books that talk about doing this in OTL? Anything that shows it was actually considered, so we can help with a POD to make it possible?
No,that's why I thought that wasn't the place for this.It couldn't have actually been considered,because Bulgaria attacked Serbia and Greece IOTL.
 
I rather dislike says it cannot be done but aside from the difficulty in uniting all these disparate elements, what does Austro-Hungary have to say? Assuming this assemblage was in fact proposed and even considered, I think the A-H Empire would be one of its biggest enemies. I am not certain Russia is in favor given how it might actually work and displace them from the lead in Balkan affairs. Does Germany have an eye on the Ottomans? If so it certainly might threaten how they view the Balkans if it looks too much like a friend of Russia. And so on. The great powers tampered in the Balkans to a crisscross and mish-mash of petty and legacy agenda, rarely looking far to the future and more often grabbing opportunity and setting up another knot. You need to navigate dangerous waters to realistically achieve this. Perhaps the Balkan War goes better for the Ottomans and it is barely one by such an alliance? You need more seeds I think but the potential is quite a big one.
You are right,that's why I am going to make this the reason for WWI
 
What's the structure like? Anything other than a very loose confedracy with separate armies and legislatures would be thoroughly unlikely. Perhaps it is more like the US was under the articles of confederation, sovereign states banding together for mutual defense with a very weak executive.
 
What's the structure like? Anything other than a very loose confedracy with separate armies and legislatures would be thoroughly unlikely. Perhaps it is more like the US was under the articles of confederation, sovereign states banding together for mutual defense with a very weak executive.
They have a single army and a single prime minister.
 
Yeah, some things about the scenario are very unlikely. But it's an interesting idea and thought exercise, so do go on if you feel like it.
 
PART II
With the end of the second balkan war,the Great Powers of Europe thought that TBU is getting too big.They agreed that they have to do something about it.The Balkan Council knew that TBU can't go to war with the great powers,that's why they decide to disarm TBU and give parts of Serbia to A-H and cede Southern Dobruja to Romania.The people tarted to hate the BC for the loss of territory.The risk of a revolution was getting higher.
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Black-Territories that TBU gave to A-H
Red-Southern Dobruja,now part of Romania
Start of WW1
Russia decides to help TBU return their territories and the two nations form the Orthodox Alliance.Very soon other countries join the OA(China,wanting to take some lands from Japan,Germany,because they want to fight against France and the UK) and on the other side are France,Austria-Hungary,Japan,because they have to defend against China,Italy(they made an alliance with France and A-H)and the Ottoman Empire(They still want Constantinople)
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orwelans II

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Capital:Sofia
I'm willing to accept the unlikely, but interesting premise of the Balkan monarchies uniting and thus getting over their disputes over Macedonia, but wasnt Sofia a relatively small city untill the 2nd Balkan war when the refugees from Macedonia increased it's population three or four times?

Why is Ireland neutral on your map, but rest of the UK isn't? Chine and Japan going against each other and picking alliances, sure. Russia defending Balkan Christians against the Ottomans and Austrians, sure. Italy trying to grab some land so close to it's borders, sure. What the hell is pushing Germany, France and Britain to join any of this and do so in a way that pits the UK and the Germans against France?
 
I'm willing to accept the unlikely, but interesting premise of the Balkan monarchies uniting and thus getting over their disputes over Macedonia, but wasnt Sofia a relatively small city untill the 2nd Balkan war when the refugees from Macedonia increased it's population three or four times?

Why is Ireland neutral on your map, but rest of the UK isn't? Chine and Japan going against each other and picking alliances, sure. Russia defending Balkan Christians against the Ottomans and Austrians, sure. Italy trying to grab some land so close to it's borders, sure. What the hell is pushing Germany, France and Britain to join any of this and do so in a way that pits the UK and the Germans against France?
I think that Sofia was second by population after Athens.I will fix the map with Ireland.Germany wants to take more lands from France,and I guess you are right about the UK.
 

orwelans II

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I think that Sofia was second by population after Athens.I will fix the map with Ireland.Germany wants to take more lands from France,and I guess you are right about the UK.
I get that Germany and France are enemies, but why is France siding with Austria and Italy in the first place? What does it gain? Why isn't the Franco-German war separate from the wider conflict?
 
Interesting idea, although I'm not convinced whether the Balkan nations would unite after the First Balkan War - the Ottomans weren't much of a threat any more, and the divisions between Serbia and Bulgaria (and other states as well) ran very deep. Surely the Macedonian question, as well as the historic enmities of the 1885 war, would be a stumbling block to unification?
 
You're going to need an earlier POD and it probably won't be a very tight union. IIRC there were rumblings of a much tighter Balkan league in the 1860s in OTL but these didn't get very far. Perhaps if the Phanariots take a different tact and have more success?
 
Interesting idea, although I'm not convinced whether the Balkan nations would unite after the First Balkan War - the Ottomans weren't much of a threat any more, and the divisions between Serbia and Bulgaria (and other states as well) ran very deep. Surely the Macedonian question, as well as the historic enmities of the 1885 war, would be a stumbling block to unification?
I know it's not realistic, but I thought it's an interesting idea
 
You're going to need an earlier POD and it probably won't be a very tight union. IIRC there were rumblings of a much tighter Balkan league in the 1860s in OTL but these didn't get very far. Perhaps if the Phanariots take a different tact and have more success?
It would be more realistic
 
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