The Bald and the Royal Eagle can fly together! A Italo-American joint TL

Arrix85

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While I totally see the crumbling of the Ottomans and the British kicked out of the Mediterranean, I've some doubts about Canada (seems a bit extreme) and also the independence of Ireland.
 
While I totally see the crumbling of the Ottomans and the British kicked out of the Mediterranean, I've some doubts about Canada (seems a bit extreme) and also the independence of Ireland.

Well, Canadian indipendence was on the track of the completation of the Monroe Doctrine ( and also a sweet revenge after 1812 for USA), and Ireland... it was necessary for future developments.
 
Ahh finally an update, frankly i was beginning to be a little upset for this lack of progress ( :D just joking naturally).

Good update as usual, but the conquest..ehm liberation of switzerland it's really a surprise (the sacrilege of not respect the sacred Swiss neutrality it's a capital sin who will be punished severely:p) and can worry many people in Rome and Berlin and maybe in the USA a red scare like situation can arise, IRC is in this period that the trouble between the union and the so called robber baron arise and having a nation like TTL France can arise paranoia in the upper class.
For Italy, well there will be a deserved (and dangerous) moment of : I'm invincible now and as TV trope teach is not a good thing :p.
Joking aside now after the conquest begin the really hard work, the administration of this territory, probably for a lot Italy will be too occupied to develop or pacify the conquered zone for keep an aggressive foreign policy and frankly the great part of the population will surely want a little break from all that war. Just a question with the political situation and the better economy of the Kingdom, the Italian Dyaspora will be different in the sense of lot less emigration on South America and the rest of Europe and less emigration in general, and the preferred destination will be surely North America, this can change a lot the demography of country like Argentina and France.
 
Ahh finally an update, frankly i was beginning to be a little upset for this lack of progress ( :D just joking naturally).

Good update as usual, but the conquest..ehm liberation of switzerland it's really a surprise (the sacrilege of not respect the sacred Swiss neutrality it's a capital sin who will be punished severely:p) and can worry many people in Rome and Berlin and maybe in the USA a red scare like situation can arise, IRC is in this period that the trouble between the union and the so called robber baron arise and having a nation like TTL France can arise paranoia in the upper class.
For Italy, well there will be a deserved (and dangerous) moment of : I'm invincible now and as TV trope teach is not a good thing :p.
Joking aside now after the conquest begin the really hard work, the administration of this territory, probably for a lot Italy will be too occupied to develop or pacify the conquered zone for keep an aggressive foreign policy and frankly the great part of the population will surely want a little break from all that war. Just a question with the political situation and the better economy of the Kingdom, the Italian Dyaspora will be different in the sense of lot less emigration on South America and the rest of Europe and less emigration in general, and the preferred destination will be surely North America, this can change a lot the demography of country like Argentina and France.

If the problem was only France, the situation cold be handled with a PTE-IA blockade, but soon will happen other important developments...

However yes, for now there will not be other great wars, but a period where the great powers will consolidate their positions and face other problems...
 
I don't see any reference in the 1876 section to the U.S. presidential election: has Grant got from the Republican Party the chance to run for a third term (the same one which was denied to him IOTL)? And anyway what is the general view of the American people about this war against the Anglo-Ottomans (let's face it, America is a powerhouse but Britain is THE powerhouse and declaring war to the UK could be not seen as the most intelligent action by the government)? And was Grant's cabinet a corrupt hellhole like ITTL?

But now no more questions and YAY for another 500-year-old autocracy biting the dust! A new world order is REALLY taking over.
 
I don't see any reference in the 1876 section to the U.S. presidential election: has Grant got from the Republican Party the chance to run for a third term (the same one which was denied to him IOTL)? And anyway what is the general view of the American people about this war against the Anglo-Ottomans (let's face it, America is a powerhouse but Britain is THE powerhouse and declaring war to the UK could be not seen as the most intelligent action by the government)? And was Grant's cabinet a corrupt hellhole like ITTL?

But now no more questions and YAY for another 500-year-old autocracy biting the dust! A new world order is REALLY taking over.

Yes, in effect i still think about further developents of American politics (and also Italian), and later i will added more events ( in effect, i focused more to the main effects of the war... and some events still are missing) but i guess Grant will not run for a third mandate: USA wasn't in strict danger of invasion, instead it was on full offensive, so there is no need of a third term such in the case of FDR.

The Americans will see the Anglo-Ottoman war as the opportunity to revenge for the war of 1812, and to assure complete dominance on North America and Caribbeans; and because the European allies were more affidable than OTL, after all it hadn't a negative impact on the American society. For the Americans, the main front was essentially that of Canada: static in the Great Lakes and in St. Lawrence, more fluid in Oregon and British Columbia, while the Caribbean theatre was sostiantally easy.

In effect, i made so Britain overstimated its capacities, to resist the most possible against USA and most of Europe, but it failed and now is going to face more terrible consequences... Guess what :D
 
In effect, i made so Britain overstimated its capacities, to resist the most possible against USA and most of Europe, but it failed and now is going to face more terrible consequences... Guess what :D

An Imperial Civil War? "Interesting in the Chinese sense", quoting almost everyone on this board. That or at least a political revolution (non-necessarily violent) for a more federalized British Empire, dismantling William Pitt's dream of accentration, is the only viable possibility for TTL Britain's future, if I'm not misinterpreting your hint.

Thanks for the answers and I'm eagerly waiting for your "missing facts".
 
An Imperial Civil War? "Interesting in the Chinese sense", quoting almost everyone on this board. That or at least a political revolution (non-necessarily violent) for a more federalized British Empire, dismantling William Pitt's dream of accentration, is the only viable possibility for TTL Britain's future, if I'm not misinterpreting your hint.

Thanks for the answers and I'm eagerly waiting for your "missing facts".

Don't worry, soon i will complete the post and then to create new events.

What?!? Their will be a massacre of Turks with Istanbul/Constantinople/Byzantium fallen.

Probably, yes.
 
Im posting on page 1, but Im going to guess that the US, Italy, and Germany will be the CP's in WW1?

They are the leaders of their own alliance, but for now, unless their interests didn't contrast, and a common enemy (France for now), they have good relations.

In terms of OTL blocks, i can say the alliance between Germany, Russia, and Austria is the equivalent of CP, while USA, Italy, and Hungary and others formed a sort of 19th century NATO, and France the leader of a sort of Communist Entente ( i'm not using this term at case...:p).

PS: Sorry if these days i'm not posting updates, i'm busy these days...
 
The start of the Jewish Independence Movement

Since we're approaching the Year 1882, I just want to point out some very important facts that will have major influence further on: (ALL in OTL)

  • Leon Pinsker publishes the book "Auto Emancipation, which calls for the establishment of a Jewish national homeland in Palestine.

  • The movement Hovevei Zion starts to organize jews in Russia, Poland and Romania, to emigrate to Palestine.

So my question is: Will those events happen also in this TL?
 
Since we're approaching the Year 1882, I just want to point out some very important facts that will have major influence further on: (ALL in OTL)

  • Leon Pinsker publishes the book "Auto Emancipation, which calls for the establishment of a Jewish national homeland in Palestine.

  • The movement Hovevei Zion starts to organize jews in Russia, Poland and Romania, to emigrate to Palestine.
So my question is: Will those events happen also in this TL?

I notice your post only now, sorry if i not replied yet. However, these events are interesting... Let's however say, hoping soon to continue the TL, a certain Hebrew migration in Israel could still happened. Thanks for the notes.
 
question, what is Italian Immigation like?

After Two Sicilies was taken over, much of Southern Italy was given medical acess for the first time, and as a result gave them longer lives and created a Population boom.

ITOL this new population immigrated to America, or Latin America (notably Argentina)

ITTL where would it go?

Would the Italian government suppot immigration to Dalmatia and Africa or let the immigrants figure out where to go themeseleves?
 
Finally, i posted the new chapter of this TL... Probably during the next day i will add some still missing events, meanwihile enjoy this...


1st October - Peace of London. English and their allies signed a very punic treaty.

European theatre


- Germany annexed Dutch lands South of the Meuses, and the isles of Zeeland;


This sounds totally ASB to me. Why would GERMANY annex non -german land. With very hostal populace. There is no benefit for Germany. This annexation takes a third of the Dutch Population and half of it's economy.

You had either gave the Dutch a peace without losing Dutch non colonial territory or made The Netherlands a part of the German (federated) Empire as a whole.

Futhermore ( just a nip tick) Amsterdam may be the (de jure ) capital. In fact the capital is The Hague. And when the Dutch would have used the "waterline" as a defence strategy. Amsterdam wouldn't have fallen. When activated the waterline Holland becomes a fortress.
 
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