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TheMann

TheMann

Timeline: Streets of Detroit / Transport America Redux / The Land of Milk and Honey
Model Name: Pininfarina H2 Speed 8
Manufacturer:
- Carozzeria Pininfarina (chassis and bodywork design)
- Green GT Technologies (drivetrain and control systems)
- Ballard Power Systems (hydrogen fuel cells)
- Gibson Technologies (chassis central section)
Model Type: Silhouette Racing Car
Model Year: 2014-2018
Origin:
- Cambiano, Turin, Italy (chassis ends, bodywork)
- Repton, Derbyshire, United Kingdom (chassis central section)
- Le Castellet, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur, France (drivetrain and control systems)
- Burnaby, British Columbia, Canada (hydrogen fuel cells)

Engine: Twin Ballard 270 kW high-temperature hydrogen fuel cells, twin AEG synchronous 235 kW AC electric motors, Energy Recovery System using Maxwell Technologies supercapacitors
Power: 665 hp @ 12000 rpm
Torque: 1,546 ft-lbs @ 250 rpm
Electric Motor RPM Limit: 15000 rpm
Drivetrain: Mid-engined, four-wheel-drive
Transmission: Twin Western Electric MR450 three-speed epicyclic gearboxes with reverse gear, torque-vectoring differential
Weight: 1,225 kg (2,703 lbs) minimum

0-100 km/h: 3.4 seconds
Top Speed: 210 mph (est.) 184.82 mph (qualifications, 2014 24 Hours of Daytona)
MSRP: $750,000 (limited)
Number Produced: 9

Take the technology of one of the most radical Le Mans prototypes of all time. Mix it with the Class One chassis design of IMSA's crazy GT wars. Then clothe the resulting car in gorgeous bodywork developed by one of the world's most renowned design studios. Sound like a good combination? For the guys at Pininfarina and Green GT technologies, that's pretty much exactly what it is, and it shows. Green GT's goal - to dominate IMSA with a car running on pure hydrogen - is a step that many figure that this gorgeous machine is, actually, fully capable of....

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Masked Grizzly

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· Timeline: None in particular
· Model Names: SAAB 96 V4
· Manufacturer: SAAB
· Model Type: 2-door Saloon or 3-door Combi Coupe
· Model Lifetime: 1967-1980
· Origin: Trollhättan, Sweden
· Engine: 1091-1584cc DOHC Lancia Fulvia V4
· Power: 70-90 hp (1100-1300) / 105 hp (1600)
· Drivetrain: Front-engined, front-wheel-drive
· Transmission: 4-speed manual
· Weight: 900-940kg
· 0-60 mph: 14-8.5 + seconds
· Top Speed: 95-110 + mph
· Number Produced: 700.000 +
· OTL Equivalent: SAAB 96 V4

SAAB’s project to source a suitable 4-stroke engine to replace the two-stroke in the SAAB 96 was not without great difficulty.

Not only were attempts to source a 4-stroke engine stopped by SAAB CEO Tryggve Holm, but the original plan of using the Ford Taunus V4 was nipped in the bud by Ford itself who cited greater than expected demand for the V4-powered Ford Cardinal in the US, which later only accelerated at the expense of the Volkswagen Beetle after Ralph Nader criticized the rear-engined Beetle and Type-2 in his Unsafe at Any Speed book almost bankrupting Volkswagen.

The only other option appeared to be the Volvo B18 engine and that was a lot more difficult to fit into the SAAB 96’s engine bay, not least both SAAB and Volvo having differing design philosophies the former embracing FWD and the latter RWD with SAAB having little desire to be swallowed up by Volvo.

Even so the initiator of the 4-stroke SAAB project went behind the back of the SAAB CEO and made contact with Marc Wallenberg, son of Marcus Wallenberg, Saab's major stockholder to explain the situation.

Luckily the coup succeeded with Marc Wallenberg using his friendship with one Gianni Agnelli of Fiat who recently acquired Lancia (slightly earlier compared to OTL) to supply SAAB with a suitable V4 engine from the Lancia Fulvia featuring DOHC, a deal between SAAB and Fiat was quickly concluded.

The 1967 SAAB 96 V4 would initially be sold with 70-84 hp 1091-1298cc engines (from the Lancia Fulvia Berlina) with the 1298cc unit later uprated to 90 hp from 1974, it was soon followed by a 3-door Combi Coupe bodystyle a year later in 1968 (ATL SAAB 98) and subsequently a 105 hp 1584cc version of the Lancia V4, essentially a detuned emissions-compliant version of the 115 + hp V4 engine found in the Lancia Fulvia 1600 HF until production finally ceased in 1980.
 
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Delta Force

Banned
The game Automation might be of interest for this. It's almost Springsharp for cars. There are a lot of engine and vehicle designs, including I4, I6, V6, V8, and V12 engines (all with turbos now) and compact cars, regular cars, big luxury cars, trucks, etc. We could probably do some kind of automobile company roleplay now if anyone is interested.
 

ArKhan

At the turn of the 20th century, everybody knew that electric automobiles where the wave of the future. General Electric had bought out General Motors. Westinghouse had bought out Ford. Even the famous Thomas Edison had teamed up with his erstwhile rival Nikola Tesla to for Tesla Motors. So when Standard Oil bought out Packard in 1920, few thought the partnership would amount to anything. What nobody expected was that the partner ship would create the world's first gasoline electric hybrid engine.
 

ArKhan

(cont) Although not a hit with consumers (indeed, the Packard brand was so unpopular that Standard oil considered liquidating the company) the hybrid engine was a huge hit with both the US army, and the young US airforce, prompting Pakard's move out of the civilian market and into the arms industry. In a case of "the tail wagging the dog", Standard oil now lives on only as a minor plastics company, while Packard is one of the top suppliers of the US military and worth billions.
 

Masked Grizzly

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· Model Names: Honda S1300
· Manufacturer: Honda
· Model Type: 2-door Roadster or 2-door Coupe
· Model Lifetime: 1969-1975
· Origin: Suzuka Plant, Suzuka, Mie, Japan
· Engine: 1298cc air-cooled all-alloy SOHC Honda DDAC (Duo Dyna Air Cooling) Inline-4
· Power: 80-115 hp
· Drivetrain: Front-engined, Rear-wheel-drive
· Transmission: 4-speed manual or 3-speed automatic
· Weight: 760-780kg
· 0-60 mph: 9.8-8.0 + seconds
· Top Speed: 105-118 + mph
· Number Produced: 16.000

The Honda S1300 was essentially an updated Honda S800 equipped with the air-cooled SOHC 1300cc DDAC engine from the Honda 1300, which was conceived in response to rivals bringing their own highly-potent offerings into production to challenge the Honda S800.

Despite initial concerns of the S1300’s air-cooled SOHC engine being considered a step back compared to the S800’s water-cooled DOHC unit, the generous power advantage of the engine (that included an 80 hp automatic model) pushed such fears aside and proved to be much better suited in the RWD Honda S1300 then the FWD Honda 1300 until production finally ceased in 1975.
 
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Masked Grizzly

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· Model Names: Reliant Sabre 2000i / Reliant Scimitar 2000ti
· Manufacturer: Reliant
· Model Type: 2-door Roadster or 2-door Coupe
· Model Lifetime: 1984-1995
· Origin: Tamworth, UK
· Engine: 2.0 Nissan CA20DE / 2.0 Nissan CA20ET (later CA20DET)
· Power: 146 hp 2000i / 150-182 hp 2000ti
· Drivetrain: Front-engined, Rear-wheel-drive
· Transmission: 4/5-speed manual or 4-speed automatic
· Weight: 839kg
· 0-60 mph: 7.4-6.0 seconds
· Top Speed: 134-146 mph
· Number Produced: 22.000
· OTL Equivalent: Reliant Scimitar SS1 / SST with styling from later Reliant Scimitar Sabre

Replacing the successful mid-engined Reliant Rave (powered by 80-110 hp 1.6-1.7 Ford Crossflow, 115-120 hp 1.6 Lotus Twin-Cam and 120 hp 1.6-1.8 Cosworth BDA engines), the Reliant Sabre would adopt a more conventional front-engined rear-wheel-drive layout as well as revive the Reliant Sabre name.

The Sabre was originally intended to feature a Michelotti styled body, however it remained unfinished with Michelotti passing away in 1980 before the styling could be finalised and it was decided to scrap the design in favor for a William Towns designed sportscar proposal, especially given that Michelotti’s unfinished styling proposal bore uncanny similarities to the mid/late-1970s Michelotti styled 2nd generation Triumph Spitfire.

While the lower-end Sabre models were powered by a 96-115 hp 1.6 Ford CVH engine, consideration was given to Leyland Motors 92-185+ hp 1.6-2.0 Triumph-Saab Slant-4 before Reliant settled for the 130-182 hp 1.8-2.0 Nissan CA engines, the earlier turbocharged 135-150 hp 1800ti / 2000ti models (later uprated to 168-182 hp) preceded the 130-146 hp 1800i / 2000i models.

Despite Reliant’s small size the Sabre managed to exceed initial production targets of 2000 a year to the point of consistently reaching around 6000 a year with sales of the Nissan-powered models accounting for roughly 1/3rd of all Sabre sales until it was replaced by a new model in 1996.
 
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TheMann

TheMann

Timeline: Streets of Detroit / Transport America Redux / The Land of Milk and Honey
Model Name: Kia Nero
Manufacturer: Hyundai-Kia Automotive Group
Model Type: Sports Activity Vehicle
Model Year: 2012-2019
Origin: Gwangju, South Jeolla, Korea

Engine:
- Hyundai Lambda II RS GDi 3778cc V6
- Hyundai Tau II GDi 5038cc V8
Power: 348 hp @ 6700 rpm (V6), 429 hp @ 6400 rpm (V8)
Torque: 295 ft-lbs @ 5300 rpm (V6), 376 ft-lbs @ 5000 rpm (V8)
Drivetrain: Front-engined, user-selected four-wheel-drive
Transmission: seven-speed manual OR seven-speed double-clutch automatic, locking differentials
Weight: 3,577-3,705 lbs (V6), 3,726-3,854 lbs (V8)

0-100 km/h: 5.6 seconds (V6), 5.1 seconds
Top Speed: 150 mph (electronically limited)
MSRP: $35,850 - $46,275 ($55,000 for Kia Nero Southwest)
Number Produced: 35

When you are trying to carve a larger portion of the world's largest automotive market and you have the problems posed by having four of the world's largest automotive makers based in that country, one sometimes has to go outside of their comfort zone and try new ideas. This was the situation Korean automakers found themselves in by the 2000s.

Hyundai and Kia had punched their way into the North Americans in the 1980s using cheap prices and good assembly quality, while advancing from Japanese-derived designs to their own models. This proved to be a big job but one which the Koreans got done well, but after the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997 and Korean Unification, Kia found themselves needing to dramatically expand its efforts to maintain its position with Korea's industrial hierarchy, but efforts to expand into other markets found a real problem - Korean cars, while known for decent assembly quality, were known for being boring 'budget' cars compared to the greater design efforts, greater sophistication and solid assembly quality of Japanese, European and American rivals, and worse still financial terms after the Financial Crisis allowed other makers, particularly those from China, Malaysia, India and South Africa, to enter the Korean markets, thus hitting their automakers from both ends of the spectrum. This contributed to the Koreans needing to make moves or go bust, both in domestic markets and those abroad. The aftermath of the financial issues also caused a major shakedown in the Korean industry - Samsung abandoned its carmaking plans, while Kia and Hyundai merged and Daewoo's remains were bought by General Motors. Aiming to survive and with a government wanting them to, Hyundai-Kia announced in 2003 that they would spend $20 Billion over the next fifteen years on new platforms, designs and cars to meet domestic and global demand. The move got everyone's attention, and it also came as Korean unification was steadily increasing the side of the Korean auto market. The company was also intelligent about its prospects - they wanted to not only create multiple excellent everyday car platforms, but also cars for enthusiasts - again, riding a growing wave of interest in automobiles in Korea.

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TBC....
 
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Delta Force

Banned
Anyone interested in a car company/design game in shared worlds? We could use the game Automation (available on Steam) to help with the vehicle and engine designs. It's still in development right now, but it has a variety of vehicle (compact cars, regular cars, big luxury cars, trucks) and engine (I3, I4, I6, V6, V8, and V12 engines with turbocharger options) options to choose from covering the period 1940 to the present.
 

Delta Force

Banned
Delta Force said:
Anyone interested in a car company/design game in shared worlds? We could use the game Automation (available on Steam) to help with the vehicle and engine designs. It's still in development right now, but it has a variety of vehicle (compact cars, regular cars, big luxury cars, trucks) and engine (I3, I4, I6, V6, V8, and V12 engines with turbocharger options) options to choose from covering the period 1940 to the present.
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A lot of people probably don't have the software, but is anyone interested in the general concept?
 

Masked Grizzly

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· Model Names: Jensen Interceptor (MkIII/IV)
· Manufacturer: Jensen
· Model Type: 3-door Fastback Coupe
· Model Lifetime: 1970-1980
· Origin: West Bromwich, UK
· Engine: fuel-injected 8025cc Rolls-Royce L-Series V8
· Power: 350+ hp
· Drivetrain: Front-engined, Rear-wheel-drive
· Transmission: 3-speed automatic
· Weight: 1600kg (?)
· 0-60 mph: 6.5-6.0 seconds
· Top Speed: 150-160 mph
· Number Produced: 9000

Whereas the previous Jensen Interceptor models used fuel-injected 315-330 hp 7269-7439cc Rolls-Royce L-Series V8s tuned for performance rather than refinement, the Rolls-Royce V8 on Jensen’s MkIII/IV Interceptors from 1970 was further enlarged to its maximum 8025cc displacement putting out 350+ hp compared to the refinement orientated standard version used in Rolls-Royce and Bentley models that produced 288-315 hp (the latter via fuel-injection).

Production would last until 1980 when it was replaced by the William Towns designed Jensen F-Type, which was powered by turbocharged 300-476 hp 6750-8025cc versions of the Rolls-Royce L-Series V8 engine over the course of its decade plus production-run prior to Jensen developing a new Interceptor from the late-1980s.
 
Oppo

Oppo

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1. Timeline: The Independent New England Series I am doing in the Wikibox thread.
2. Model Name/Manufacturer: Dione Stellavem
3. Model Type: 2-Door Personal Luxury Coupe
4. Model Year: 1983
5. Nation of Origin: New England
6. Production run: (1981-1982)
7. Number built: 1,700
8. Engine: 7.0 Liter W12
9. Horsepower: 432
10. Drivetrain: F4
11. Transmission: 5-Speed Manual, 4-Speed Automatic
12. Weight: 4,200 lbs
13. Description: Dione was never the best selling automobile maker in New England, but it was one of the most unique. In 1968, at the height of the anti-establishment movement, Dionne was founded in Burlington, Vermont. Quickly the company found a backer in publisher Fredrick Monahan, who gave millions to the company, and was quickly put on the board of directors. By 1972, the Dionne Niagara was released, a luxury sedan (think Jaguar XJ). The car was almost universally praised by press, and car enthusiasts. Dionnes were in the luxury segment, but were more known for their technology achievements (around the same market placement as SAAB ITTL). At the 1976 Martha's Vineyard Motorshow (the ITTL equivalent to Geneva), Monahan revealed the Stellavem concept car (based on the Latin word for star ship). The car went of the font page of Modern Motorists and other motoring magazines. Months after the concept, Monahan announced a production version would go on sale, with all the futuristic features of the concept. Many doubted that the plan would go through, but the company spent an enormous sum of money doing just that. When the car came out, the "key-tablets" ended up in many celebrities and other member of the upper class. The King even owned one (with some calling it a conflict of interest due to the King being Monahan's brother-in-law). House of Cars said, "The Stellavem represents everything the roads are built for. This isn't just car of the year, it's probably car of the decade". The Stellavem even went in the World GT Championship, winning the 12 Hours of Salt Lake. In late 1981, disaster struck. The economy was in crisis, and Fredrick Monahan was found dead of a cocaine overdose. The company was taken over by Gerald Byrd, former chief of marketing for the Horizon chain of grocery stores. While Byrd could sell food, he didn't understand the automotive market. The Stellavem went from becoming a status symbol to being a symbol of a failed economy. Andile Alofayle (founder and leader of the social democratic Our Nation Party) even mentioned the car as, "the symbol of excess". Dione went bankrupt, with aviation corporation AeroStar purchasing the company. The car made a brief return in 1985, with electronics company MacGuire purchasing the intellectual property for the model. Re-sold as the MacGuire Altamont (after the California race track), the expensive W12 was replaced with a good 'ol Louisianan Bayou V8. While it did moderately well in endurance racing, MacGuire was an electronics company first, so the car received less time than it should of. With MacGuire's budget getting more and more eaten by the Altamont, and sales going good down and down, the car division was scrapped. Today, you're lucky to see one of these symbols of pre-Depression New England on the streets. Many people have made kit car replicas, but almost laughably bad. Many fans of pop culture have bought these cars, as they were featured in movies, TV shows, and music. In fact, Stella became a popular baby name in the early 80s after the car's release. A Stellavem was recently sold at auction for 765,000 North American Credits, the current record.
14. OTL Equivalent: Mercedes SL, Mazda Eunos Cosmo, DeLorean DMC-12
 
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Oppo

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Masked Grizzly said:
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· Model Names: Jensen Interceptor (MkIII/IV)
· Manufacturer: Jensen
· Model Type: 3-door Fastback Coupe
· Model Lifetime: 1970-1980
· Origin: West Bromwich, UK
· Engine: fuel-injected 8025cc Rolls-Royce L-Series V8
· Power: 350+ hp
· Drivetrain: Front-engined, Rear-wheel-drive
· Transmission: 3-speed automatic
· Weight: 1600kg (?)
· 0-60 mph: 6.5-6.0 seconds
· Top Speed: 150-160 mph
· Number Produced: 9000

Whereas the previous Jensen Interceptor models used fuel-injected 315-330 hp 7269-7439cc Rolls-Royce L-Series V8s tuned for performance rather than refinement, the Rolls-Royce V8 on Jensen’s MkIII/IV Interceptors from 1970 was further enlarged to its maximum 8025cc displacement putting out 350+ hp compared to the refinement orientated standard version used in Rolls-Royce and Bentley models that produced 288-315 hp (the latter via fuel-injection).

Production would last until 1980 when it was replaced by the William Towns designed Jensen F-Type, which was powered by turbocharged 300-476 hp 6750-8025cc versions of the Rolls-Royce L-Series V8 engine over the course of its decade plus production-run prior to Jensen developing a new Interceptor from the late-1980s.
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