The Articles of Deconfederation: A World Without America

[GBehm]

Seems alright, though I'm concerned about how similar Europe and Africa are to OTL, by and large.

You’re more or less right about Africa (I may end up making some changes), but let’s just say that Europe’s looks deceive.

Were there gulags/forced labor camps in the Soviet South?

Also, does Louisiana speak French?

Yes and yes.

 

[TimTurner]

watched.

 

[terranova210486]

Interesting.

What's Florida, California, Virginia, Oregon and New York like?

 

[GBehm]

Interesting.

What's Florida, California, Virginia, Oregon and New York like?

Florida and California are predominantly Spanish-speaking republics. Oregon is a British dominion, and Virginia is a US-style republic. New York information will be expanded upon tomorrow.

 

[Lewie]

Home many nations have the British Monarch as their head of state, seems like there are quite a few move. Which I am a fan of. Great work, can't wait to see more.

 

[GBehm]

Here's a map of the Republic of New York, as well as a list of presidents. Expect a full wikipage by tomorrow.

List of Presidents of the Republic of New York:
1. John Jay (1782-1784) Federalist
def: No serious opposition until foundation of Republican Party
2. Alexander Hamilton (1784-1792) Federalist
def: Levi Lincoln Sr.-Republican (1784)/
John Broome-Republican (1788)
3. James Sullivan (1792-1796) Republican
def: DeWitt Clinton-Federalist (1792)/
Paul Brigham-Ind. Republican (1792)
4. Philip Shuyler (1796-1800) Federalist
def: Jonas Galusha-Republican (1796)
5. Rufus King (1800-1804) Federalist
def: John Armstrong Jr.-Republican (1800)
6. James Sullivan (1804-1808) Republican +
def:Rufus King-Federalist (1804)/
Caleb Strong-Federalist (1808)
7. Aaron Burr (1808-1812) Republican
Not elected.
8. John Quincy Adams (1812-1820) Federalist
def: Aaron Burr-Republican (1812)/
Joseph B. Varnum-Republican (1816)
9. James Lanman (1820-1824) Republican
def: John Brooks-Federalist (1820)
10. William C. Gibbs (1824-1832) Republican
def: Daniel Webster-Federalist (1824)/
Hastings Arnold-Federalist (1828)
11. William A. Palmer (1832-1836) Republican
def: Philo C. Fuller-Federalist (1832)
12. Theodore Frelinghuysen (1836-1844) Liberal
def: William A. Palmer-Republican (1836)/ Martin Van Buren-Federalist (1836)
James G. Birney-Republican (1844)/ William Sprague III-Federalist (1844)
13. Silas Wright (1844-1847) Republican +
def: Joseph Trumbull-Liberal (1844)
14. Horatio Seymour (1847-1856) Republican
def: Joseph Trumbull-Liberal (1848)/
Hamilton Fish-Liberal (1852)
15. Edwin D. Morgan (1856-1860) Liberal
def: John S. Wells-Republican (1856)
16. Justin S. Morrill (1860-1868) Liberal
def: John Hoffman-Republican (1860)/
Luke P. Poland-Republican (1864)
17. Fredrick Smyth (1868-1876) Liberal
def: Horace Greely-Republican (1868)/
Samuel J. Tilden-Republican (1872)
18. Samuel J. Tilden (1876-1880) Republican
def: John Sherman-Liberal (1876)
19. William A. Wheeler (1880-1882) Liberal -
def: Joel Parker-Republican (1880)/
James G. Blaine-Liberal Labor (1880)
20. William Stewart (1882-1888) Liberal
def: Grover Cleveland-Republican (1884)
21. Stephen M. White (1888-1892) Republican
def: Thomas M. Bowen-Liberal (1888)
22. Warner Miller (1892-1900) Republican
def: Redfield Proctor-Liberal (1892)/
Levi P. Morton-Liberal (1896)
23. Eugene Hale (1900-1908) Republican
def: Arthur Sewell-Liberal (1900)/ Theodore Roosevelt-Progressive (1900)
Thomas Platt-Liberal (1904)/ Thomas E. Watson-Progressive (1904)
24. Theodore Roosevelt (1908-1916) Progressive
def: Alton B. Parker-Liberal (1908)/Charles E. Hughes-Republican (1908)
Lewis Stuyvesant Chanler-Liberal (1912)
25. Miles Poindexter (1916-1920) Progressive
def: Peter G. Gerry-Liberal (1916)
26. Charles McNary (1920-1928) Liberal
def: Charles Seymour Whitman-Progressive (1920)/
Henrik Shipstead-Progressive (1924)
27. Franklin D. Roosevelt (1928-1940) Progressive
def: William M. Calder-Liberal (1928)/
Joe Hanley-Liberal (1932)/
Thomas Dewey-Liberal (1936)
28. Garson Kanin (1940-1944) Progressive
def: Thomas Dewey-Liberal (1940)
29. Thomas Dewey (1944-1948) Liberal
def: Herbert H. Lehman-Progressive (1944)
30. Mortimer R. Proctor (1948-1956) Liberal
def: Elmer A. Bensen-Progressive (1948)/
Abraham Ribicoff-Progressive (1952)
31. Robert T. Stafford (1956-1960) Liberal
def: William Meyer-Progressive (1956)
32. Irving Ives (1960-1968) Compromise
def: Nelson Rockefeller-Liberal (1960)/
Leverett Saltonstall-Liberal (1964)
33. Robert Kennedy (1968-1976) Progressive
def: Margaret Chase Smith-Liberal (1968)/Kenny O'Donnell-Compromise (1968)
George Romney-Liberal (1972)/Hugh Carey-Compromise (1972)
34. Paul Laxalt (1976-1984) Liberal
def: Kevin White-Progressive (1976)/Edward Brooke-Compromise (1976)
Daniel Patrick Moynihan-Progressive (1980)/Hayes Gahagan-Compromise (1980)
35. Flyod Flake (1984-1992) Progressive
def: Christopher Shays-Liberal (1984)/
Judd Gregg-Liberal (1988)
36. Dick Gephardt (1992-1996) Progressive
def: Hilary Rodham-Liberal (1992)
37. Lincoln Chafee (1996-2000) Compromise
def: Spencer Abraham-Liberal (1996)/
Tom Daschle-Progressive (1996)
38. George Pataki (2000-2008) Liberal
def: Chuck Schumer-Progressive (2000)/
Robin L. Wilson-Progressive-Green (2004)
39. Shannon O'Brien (2008-2016) Progressive
def: Rob Astorino-Liberal (2008)/
Mitt Romney-Liberal (2012)
40. Bob Casey Jr. (2016-) Progressive
def: Donald Trump-Liberal (2016)/David Hacker-Action! (2016)
+: Died in Office
- : Assassinated
* : Resigned

 

[GBehm]

I'm sorry to say that this might be the only or last wikipage for a while, as some mod at Wikipedia decided to mark my sandbox, not any official page I've created as an encyclopedia entry, but my sandbox, which does not claim anywhere on it to contain encyclopedic information, for deletion, meaning making entire pages, along with some more uncommon types of boxes, like this will be significantly harder for me to do without using the clunky and slow-moving "inspect element" tool in chrome. My page contained the Republic of New York article in it for three days before this deletion request. Has anyone who makes entire wikipages like this ever had this problem, or been able to avoid it? @Kanan, you make a lot of these, has this ever been an issue for you, or do you use something other than your own userpage to craft your articles for Our Fair Country?

Anyways here's a semi-rushed page about New York, with sections near the end missing because I wanted to just get this one over with. Sucks that this timeline is already hitting speedbumps.

 

[ST15RM]

I'm sorry to say that this might be the only or last wikipage for a while, as some mod at Wikipedia decided to mark my sandbox, not any official page I've created as an encyclopedia entry, but my sandbox, which does not claim anywhere on it to contain encyclopedic information, for deletion, meaning making entire pages, along with some more uncommon types of boxes, like this will be significantly harder for me to do without using the clunky and slow-moving "inspect element" tool in chrome. My page contained the Republic of New York article in it for three days before this deletion request. Has anyone who makes entire wikipages like this ever had this problem, or been able to avoid it? @Kanan, you make a lot of these, has this ever been an issue for you, or do you use something other than your own userpage to craft your articles for Our Fair Country?

Anyways here's a semi-rushed page about New York, with sections near the end missing because I wanted to just get this one over with. Sucks that this timeline is already hitting speedbumps.

HOLY COW!!!

 

[terranova210486]

What other wiki pages are you considering of doing?

 

[GBehm]

What other wiki pages are you considering of doing?

Right now I really don't have much of an idea as to what I'll be making next, since the jackasses over at Wikipedia have decided to delete my user page, where I constructed pretty much all of the entries in this series. I asked @Kanan if she ever had this problem, since I know she's made wikipages in the past, and what she used to make them if not her own user page, but she never got back to me.

The timeline will also likely slow down for a while until I can figure out a new way to make boxes and pages.

 

[CosmicAsh]

Right now I really don't have much of an idea as to what I'll be making next, since the jackasses over at Wikipedia have decided to delete my user page, where I constructed pretty much all of the entries in this series. I asked @Kanan if she ever had this problem, since I know she's made wikipages in the past, and what she used to make them if not her own user page, but she never got back to me.

The timeline will also likely slow down for a while until I can figure out a new way to make boxes and pages.

wow really, i'm terrible I am sorry! I LOVE the wikipage. Omg it was great to read. As for the question... no I've never had that happen, sorry :/

 

[terranova210486]

Just a few more questions:

Do the Simpsons exist ITTL?

What are the major 'Hollywood' areas of North America?

What are celebrities like Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyoncé doing?

What are the demographics of this continent?

What did men like Martin Luther King or Nealson Mandela do?

Were Marvel and DC comics made ITTL?

 

[GBehm]

Just a few more questions:

Do the Simpsons exist ITTL?

What are the major 'Hollywood' areas of North America?

What are celebrities like Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyoncé doing?

What are the demographics of this continent?

What did men like Martin Luther King or Nealson Mandela do?

Were Marvel and DC comics made ITTL?

I'm glad to see that you're interested. I'll answer all these tomorrow.

 

[GBehm]

Just a few more questions:

Do the Simpsons exist ITTL?

What are the major 'Hollywood' areas of North America?

What are celebrities like Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyoncé doing?

What are the demographics of this continent?

What did men like Martin Luther King or Nealson Mandela do?

Were Marvel and DC comics made ITTL?

1. More or less, yes. They're called The Martins in this timeline, as this is considered much more of an Oregonian surname (Matt Groening grew up and lived in Oregon, and based The Martins on his experience as an Oregonian). The show is relatively similar to IOTL, but most characters speak with "Oregonian" accents, which is similar to OTL's midwestern U.S. or Canada.
2. The largest areas for film production in North America are New York City (the largest city for most things in North America) in New York, Sacramento in Dana, Nashville in Carolina, and Toronto in Canada.
3. Selena Gomez is a Mexican pop singer who specializes in the "Tejano" style of music, which holds influences from both Mexican and American folk music, and was popularized by the similarly-named Selena Quintanilla-Pérez (who is still alive in this timeline). Ariana Grande is a Floridian pop singer who sings chiefly in Spanish with occasional English lyrics aimed at her American audience (much in the way that K-Pop uses high numbers of English lyrics in predominantly Korean-language songs due to American influence). As a current resident of Louisiana and former resident of Mexico, Beyoncé sings in English, Spanish, and French, and is known for being so dedicated to her act that she produces each song in each of these languages.
4. North America is significantly more white on the East Coast than IOTL. The further south from New England that you go, the fewer whites there are. New England is about 96% white, New York is 85%, Midatlantica is 71%, and so on. Former Spanish colonies, like California and Florida, are predominantly Latin-white, with most residents being native American-Spanish mixed race. Dana is the most White-European country to come out of a former Spanish colony, as a majority of its citizens are the descendants of white Americans who traveled to northern California and split the region away from California after California split from Mexico in the 1860s. Tecumsia, the country comprised of most of OTL's Great Lake states, has the largest concentration of Native Americans anywhere on the continent, with a slim majority of Tecumsians being natives.
5. Martin Luther King Jr. was a notable member of the Democratic Socialist League of the South, which fought underground against the communistic government of the USAS during the 60s. Nelson Mandela was a black African's rights activist in South Africa from the 70s to the 90s, where he fought to end Apartheid in 1981, becoming the country's first black president five years later.
6. Both Marvel and DC exist in this universe. Marvel, as IOTL, does significantly better in terms of sales than DC, and DC's movie presence is essentially none. Marvel's biggest endeavor thus far has been the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which centers around the Avengers, whose chief members are; (Fair warning, I'm going to go into way too much detail about this):
Introduced in Phase 1:

• Billionaire weapons contractor Tony Stark, otherwise known as Iron Man, played by Robert Downey Jr. in Iron Man, Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3.
• Nuclear scientist Bruce Banner, otherwise known as the Hulk, played by Edward Norton in The Incredible Hulk and Mark Ruffalo in all other films.
• Norse god of Thunder, Thor, played by Chris Hemsworth in Thor, The Trial of Thor, and Thor Ragnarok.
• Chinese political dissident and human experimentation-escapee Wang Tāo, otherwise known as Tao (as a reference to the ancient Chinese philosophy), played by Harry Shum Jr. in Tao and Tao: The One Path
• Sharpshooter Clint Barton, otherwise known as Hawkeye, played by Jeremy Renner.
• Former Imperial Japanese sleeper agent based in Dana, Janet Fujima, otherwise known as Black Widow, played by Karen Fukuhara in Black Widow and Black Widow: Civil War.

Introduced in Phase 2:

• Bounty hunters Starlord (played by Chris Pratt), Gamora (played by Zoe Saldaña), Drax (played by Dave Bautista), Rocket Raccoon (voiced by Bradley Cooper), and Groot (voiced by Vin Diesel) as the Guardians of the Galaxy, in Guardians of the Galaxy and Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2.
• Former street thief Remy Etienne LeBeau, otherwise known as Gambit, played by Ewan McGregor.
• Ex-con Scott Lang, otherwise known as Ant Man, played by Ben Stiller in Ant Man and Ant Man and the Wasp. Stiller acted alongside Gal Gadot as Hope van Dyne, known as the Wasp, in Ant Man and the Wasp. Stiller and Gadot are joined by Robet de Niro as scientist Hank Pym in both movies.
• King of Wakanda T'Challa, otherwise known as the Black Panther, played by Chadwick Boseman in Black Panther.
• New York high-schooler and aspiring journalist Peter Parker, otherwise known as Spiderman, played by Tom Holland in Spiderman: Night Out and a planned unnamed sequel.

Introduced in Phase 3:

• Dutch theoretical physicist and Large Hadron Collider researcher Florian Van Dijk, otherwise known as Kelvin, played by Michiel Huisman in Kelvin and the planned sequel Kelvin 2(73).
• Gun-slinging "cowboy" trapped in the modern day from a far distant future Andrew Heisman, otherwise known as Flashbang, played by Jude Law.
  
• Talented cardio-surgeon and magic-wielding monk Steven Strange, otherwise known as Doctor Strange, played by Benedict Cumberbatch in Doctor Strange and a planned unnamed sequel.

The first Avengers movie featured Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Tao, Black Widow, and Hawkeye. This cast was joined by Gambit for Avengers: Age of Ultron, followed by Black Panther, Spiderman, and Ant Man in Black Widow: Civil War, and finally by the Guardians of the Galaxy, Doctor Strange, Kelvin, and Flashbang for Avengers: Infinity War.

I really don't know anything about DC, other than that it would exist ITTL. If there's one thing I am sure of, though, it's that I spent way to much time on that MCU part. Expect an actual wikibox tomorrow.

 

[terranova210486]

Thanks for the answers @GBehm

 

[terranova210486]

Can you please provide a summary of the nations of North America?

 

[ST15RM]

What is Joel Zimmerman doing ITTL?

 

[Amateur Psephologist]

This NY stuff is so good! I can see some inspiration from Kanan's OFC, but I probably shouldn't talk about other timelines too much here. What are Canadian and Alaskan politics like?

 

[terranova210486]

Who rules the Kingdom of Louisiana?

 

[GBehm]

The House of Representatives of New York (Dutch: Lagerhuis van Nieuw York or Tweede Kamer van Nieuw York) is the legislative body of the Republic of New York. It has 257 seats, each filled by a representative elected via the First-Past-the-Post electoral system, with one member representing one constituency. It meets in the center chamber of the Capital Building in New York City.

Elections are held either every four years or at the discretion of the president. Special, off-schedule, legislative elections have only ever been held twice; once in 1808 and again in 1904. Constituencies are drawn based on the population of an area, with each containing between 100 to 110 thousand eligible voters. These seats are either maintained or redrawn based on information gathered every ten years by the New York Federal Census. Additionally, four classes of "list seats" are elected by voters in each of New York's states, each of which are divided into ten sub-regions that are larger than most constituencies. These forty regions each elect their own Member of the House, along with local Representatives. Representatives may serve up to five terms of four years, meaning no representative may serve longer than 20 years.

The House was created in 1782 upon the independence of New York from the United States. It operated under procedure put in place by the New York state constitution until the "Republican" Constitution of 1792, which established the House of Representatives as an entity separate from the state legislature it proceeded. The House followed a number of conventions that applied to the House of Representatives of the United States, and is considered by most legal and pan-American historians to be an essential continuation of the United States' legislative branch. The House served as the lower chamber of the New York legislature until 1911, when the New York Senate was abolished due to the perception of the body as a betrayal of representative democracy due to it requiring each region to send two senators, regardless of how the regions were drawn or how many people lived in them. Since then, the legislature has been unicameral, and the members of the cabinet have been granted the responsibility of advising the president on whether to pass or veto a bill proposed to be a law by the House.

In the event that the president chooses to veto any bill passed by the House of Representatives, the House has the ability to force the bill into law through an affirmative vote by two thirds of the body, or 171 members as of the current composition.

The leader of the largest party in the House automatically becomes Prime Minister on the first day of May after the election. The current Prime Minister is Luke Bronin of the Progressive Party. The Speaker of the House, officially a non-partisan title, is Charlie Baker, who is listed as a member of the Whigs by most non-official counts. The Speaker has the power to moderate and direct debates on the floor of the House, and may punish members who break convention. The Speaker may only vote in the event of a tie, which, with the current number of members, cannot occur unless an odd number of voting members are absent.