The Army of Naples

By the nineteenth century, Naples was poor, dirty, underpopulated and still mainly rural.. It literally took Garibaldi like a month or something to sweep through lol...

Underpopulated? Naples was the 3rd or 4th largest city in Europe by mid-century, and overall the kingdom had double the population of Piedmont. Now it was certainly poor, and rural, but that's due to the policies of the Bourbon government after the Restoration; as I've already said it was easily the wealthiest state on the peninsula, its just that all of that wealth was concentrated in very few hands. As for rural, again, blame the Bourbons; Naples only had some 100 kilometers of rail, compared to eight times that number in Piedmont alone. Reactionary states do tend to strongly regress their country's economic development.

Now the socioeconomic and sociopolitical situation is likely somewhat different ITTL (if you haven't read King of Rome's The Last Eagle, I highly recommend it), but the demographic outlook is going to be the same. Hell, the Neapolitan kingdom might be even more populous considering it'd be far easier for those who oppose the Continental System to emigrate to Naples from Imperial Europe than it would be to Britain or any of the other remaining 'Coalition' states.
 

Delvestius

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Underpopulated? Naples was the 3rd or 4th largest city in Europe by mid-century, and overall the kingdom had double the population of Piedmont. Now it was certainly poor, and rural, but that's due to the policies of the Bourbon government after the Restoration; as I've already said it was easily the wealthiest state on the peninsula, its just that all of that wealth was concentrated in very few hands. As for rural, again, blame the Bourbons; Naples only had some 100 kilometers of rail, compared to eight times that number in Piedmont alone. Reactionary states do tend to strongly regress their country's economic development.

What I mean is, it was too underpopulated to do anything in it's OTL (poor and rural) state.

Now the socioeconomic and sociopolitical situation is likely somewhat different ITTL (if you haven't read King of Rome's The Last Eagle, I highly recommend it), but the demographic outlook is going to be the same. Hell, the Neapolitan kingdom might be even more populous considering it'd be far easier for those who oppose the Continental System to emigrate to Naples from Imperial Europe than it would be to Britain or any of the other remaining 'Coalition' states.

Spoze I can buy this, I have been intrigued. Switching up the alignments of eighteenth century states would be pretty neet... Does the TL make any attempts to urbanize and industrialize the south?
 
What I mean is, it was too underpopulated to do anything in it's OTL (poor and rural) state.

8 mil by the mid-19th century to Piedmont's or Austrian Lombardy–Venetia's 4 mil each. The Papal States had just over one million, Tuscany maybe another one, and the remaining states might just make one another one million themselves. Let's consider that southern Naples and Sicily had long been the breadbasket of empires, so it should be no surprise that its going to have the largest population in all of Italy.
 
I was always lead to believe that Naples was a powerful hub economically and culturally.

Sadly, I had this in-depth war planned, but it may be better that I just summarize it. My war terminology is lacking severely...
 

Delvestius

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8 mil by the mid-19th century to Piedmont's or Austrian Lombardy–Venetia's 4 mil each. The Papal States had just over one million, Tuscany maybe another one, and the remaining states might just make one another one million themselves. Let's consider that southern Naples and Sicily had long been the breadbasket of empires, so it should be no surprise that its going to have the largest population in all of Italy.

Yeh, I'm not disputing this. What I'm saying is given it's lack of urbanization, the hordes of rural peasants were not able to successfully defend from a smaller force. If either A. They were more urbanized, they probably could have repelled them, or B. They had MORE people, in which case, urbanized or not, they still would have been able to successfully defend.
 
By the nineteenth century, Naples was poor, dirty, underpopulated and still mainly rural.. It literally took Garibaldi like a month or something to sweep through lol...

The people may have been poor but the Kingdom was the wealthiest Italian state. And the city Naples (484,026) was far more populus than both Rome (194,500), Turin (173,305), and Milan (267,618).

They had capabilities, but its economy was backwards and could not industrialize (few natural resources to industrialize with in S. Italy any way) and and its political situation was worse.
When Garibaldi swept through it wasn't because the standing Bourbon army wasn't strong, people didn't want to bother fighting for an out-of-touch, repressive regent.

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At around the same time as your proposed timeline, the German Confederation decided to combine their resources and contribute to a united defence force for Germany - sort of! - However, they calculated that they could support one man in every sixty in the population being conscripted. Of the total numbers thus raised, 74% would be infantry (Guard and Line) 4% would be specialist infantry (Jager and Shutzen) 7% would be artilery, 14% cavalry of all kinds and the remaining 1% would be technical (pioneers etc).
These forces were created from the existing men under arms, and a conscription of "new blood" of one man in 300 of the population each year.
Therefore if you were to start from scratch, it would take five years to conscript enough to fill your quota for the standing army.
after five years, the men served with the reserve (Landwehr) for a further period of 20 years, and then served with the Landsturm militia thereafter.
They tended to find that the reservists were not able to fill the ranks to the same degree as the line troops, so the reserves never grew to more men than the standing army (indeed they could never have supported more)
Hope that helps in your calculations!
 

Esopo

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By the nineteenth century, Naples was poor, dirty, underpopulated and still mainly rural.. It literally took Garibaldi like a month or something to sweep through lol...

Until 1930's naples was the biggest city of the peninsula and one of the biggest in europe. But yes it was underdeveloped.
 
At around the same time as your proposed timeline, the German Confederation decided to combine their resources and contribute to a united defence force for Germany - sort of! - However, they calculated that they could support one man in every sixty in the population being conscripted. Of the total numbers thus raised, 74% would be infantry (Guard and Line) 4% would be specialist infantry (Jager and Shutzen) 7% would be artilery, 14% cavalry of all kinds and the remaining 1% would be technical (pioneers etc).
These forces were created from the existing men under arms, and a conscription of "new blood" of one man in 300 of the population each year.
Therefore if you were to start from scratch, it would take five years to conscript enough to fill your quota for the standing army.
after five years, the men served with the reserve (Landwehr) for a further period of 20 years, and then served with the Landsturm militia thereafter.
They tended to find that the reservists were not able to fill the ranks to the same degree as the line troops, so the reserves never grew to more men than the standing army (indeed they could never have supported more)
Hope that helps in your calculations!

Daaaaaang. Someone knows there stuff.
 
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