The Arab Mega-State Emerges

considering he tired to overthrow his neighbors who did reject the different unions going so far as to support the South Sudanese during the Sudanese civil war. I doubt he will change his mind
You may well be right.

AFAIK these proposed mergers were with other small populations nations like Chad? That's not the same as merging with nations with big populations like Egypt. You know the subject much better than I do. Did he propose a merger with Egypt?
 
AFAIK these proposed mergers were with other small populations nations like Chad? That's not the same as merging with nations with big populations like Egypt. You know the subject much better than I do. Did he propose a merger with Egypt?
yes during the Federation of Arab Republics and he also tried to merge with Tunisia which also has a larger population in the Arab Islamic Republic
 
yes during the Federation of Arab Republics and he also tried to merge with Tunisia which also has a larger population in the Arab Islamic Republic
Why did the Tunisians say no? Why did the Egyptians say no?

AFAIK Egypt has claimed Cyrenaica as Egyptian territory since the Italians took Libya from the Ottoman Empire. Why did their government turn it down if Gaddafi was offering it to them on a plate?
 
Why did the Tunisians say no?
Algeria threaten war

Why did the Egyptians say no?
Sadat wasn't interested and wanted to make peace Israel and switch to the United States

AFAIK Egypt has claimed Cyrenaica as Egyptian territory since the Italians took Libya from the Ottoman Empire. Why did their government turn it down if Gaddafi was offering it to them on a plate?
Egypt never claimed Cyrenaica
 
Sadat wasn't interested and wanted to make peace Israel and switch to the United States.
I'm not saying that you're wrong but I find it hard to understand why he wasn't interested because AFAIK Sadat wanted to make peace with Israel and switch to the United States for economic reasons. A merger with Libya would have nearly doubled the GNP of Egypt in the early 1980s.

In 1982 Egypt had an estimated population of 44,202,000 and a GNP of U.S.$ 32,894,290,000 (U.S.$ 730 per capita).

In 1981 Libya had an estimated population of 3,223,000 and a GNP of U.S.$ 26,080,000,000 (U.S.$ 8,450 per capita).

Incorporating Libya would have increased Egypt's population to about 47,500,000 in 1982 and its GNP to about U.S.$57 billion.
 
It's well before the OP, but I thought of the British Government offering the Egyptians Libya if they declared war on the Axis. Then in the early 1950s as an attempt to appease the Arab nationalists in Egypt they terminate the condominium of the Sudan by giving their half to Egypt, which the Egyptians incorporate into Egypt instead of making independent in 1956.

That doesn't create the Arab Mega-State of the OP but it does create a Greater Egypt.
 
I'm not saying that you're wrong but I find it hard to understand why he wasn't interested because AFAIK Sadat wanted to make peace with Israel and switch to the United States for economic reasons. A merger with Libya would have nearly doubled the GNP of Egypt in the early 1980s.
He did consider Gaddafi to be a threat. had the Federation been made. Sadat would have a far harder time to make peace and switch to the united states.Had he try to make a similar peace , Gaddafi would also certainly try to overthrow him. Also Sadat did turn to an Egyptian Centric focus to help justify peace with Israel which annexing Libya would run contrary to
 
He did consider Gaddafi to be a threat. had the Federation been made. Sadat would have a far harder time to make peace and switch to the united states.Had he try to make a similar peace , Gaddafi would also certainly try to overthrow him. Also Sadat did turn to an Egyptian Centric focus to help justify peace with Israel which annexing Libya would run contrary to
Sadat knew the situation better than I did, but Egypt had nearly 14 times more people than Libya and armed forces 6 times larger than Libya. How was Gaddafi a threat? What did Sadat know that I don't?
 
Peace with Israel was and is unpopular so there is the risk that Gaddafi would lead a military coup or inspire one along with encouraging an uprising
Were the attempted coup of 1981 and his assassination later that year precipitated by making peace with Israel?
 
Sadat wasn't interested and wanted to make peace Israel and switch to the United States
The POD is a surviving Nasser. Would he have accepted Gaddafi's offer if it had still been made (which from what you have written appears very likely) instead of making peace with Israel and switching to the United States? In what year did Gaddafi make the offer?
 
Were the attempted coup of 1981 and his assassination later that year precipitated by making peace with Israel?
after

Would he have accepted Gaddafi's offer if it had still been made (which from what you have written appears very likely) instead of making peace with Israel and switching to the United States?
He would and if he can get a peace deal involving all the Arabs states , he might make peace.if He does he will try to play the soviet union and united states off each other

In what year did Gaddafi make the offer?
It was mean to be a process starting from 1972 but with Nasser in charge it will happen faster
 
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I heard that Egyptians said that they felt better losing a war under Nasser than winning a war under Sadat. Nasser had a unique popular appeal among Arabs - in and beyond Egypt. He was a charismatic leader and might have been the one person who could pull this off. No way with Sadat. And since Nasser, there really hasn't been a popular Arab leader with widespread "street appeal".
 
Sadat never achieved the popularity of Nasser. I think that Nasser - had he lived - might have been able to pull it off either based on the wave of his enormous popularity after the Suez Crisis in 1956 or after the chaos created by the 1973 oil embargo. The hardest nut to crack would be Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States and these would be essential to the formation of a State with a lock on world oil supplies and the financial resources to provide the launching pad for a competitive First World mega state. I guess it would depend upon whether enough young Saudi military officers got bit by the Nasser bug and staged a coup.
 
Probably the most likely opportunity was during the Nasser years - possibly after the Suez Crisis when his popularity was at its zenith due to his perceived "victory" over the British and the French. Algeria erupts, Iraq has a coup, the "Arab street" goes wild, and it all comes together. Unlikely but not impossible. And history from that point on would be very very different.
 
Sadat never achieved the popularity of Nasser. I think that Nasser - had he lived - might have been able to pull it off either based on the wave of his enormous popularity after the Suez Crisis in 1956 or after the chaos created by the 1973 oil embargo. The hardest nut to crack would be Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States and these would be essential to the formation of a State with a lock on world oil supplies and the financial resources to provide the launching pad for a competitive First World mega state. I guess it would depend upon whether enough young Saudi military officers got bit by the Nasser bug and staged a coup.
Well the 1969 Saudi Coup would definitely be a way for a Arabian Republic of sorts to join Nasser in this mega state
 
Well the 1969 Saudi Coup would definitely be a way for a Arabian Republic of sorts to join Nasser in this mega state

I agree. In the Middle East there seems to be a cascading "bandwagon effect" and I am assuming that this would take place with young officers looking up to Nasser and the Arab Street rioting in various capitals leading to coups and revolts.
 
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