Justin Pickard said:
The Papacy moving to Liège? Walloon becoming the official language of the Church? That would be so coooooooool!
The Anti-Habsburg TL
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The Papacy moving to Liège? Walloon becoming the official language of the Church? That would be so coooooooool!
benedict XVII said:
Oy, you! Stop your rampant uber-Liege-fanaticism. No good can come from it!
Justin Pickard said:
Hey, the idea initially came from SteveW. He lives there, not me! I've even had my dear Brabant conquered! And stop handing poles if you don't want people to grab them
benedict XVII said:
Okay, well stop your rampant uber-Low-Countries-fanaticism, then.
The Proper Timeline: 1380s
1380
Upon his death, King Edward III is succeeded by his son, who takes the English throne, despite warnings with regard to the auspiciousness of his choice of name, as King John II.
1380-1387
The ‘Time of Troubles’ in England; the reign of the hugely unpopular King John II sees a mass uprising in Wales, with the Welsh rebels led by Owain Glendower and Owain Lawgoch declaring their independence from the English crown. This public dissent and unrest is widespread through most of England, with tensions coming to a head in 1387 with the legendary “burning of London”. Only the remote continental territories of Gascony seem to be immune to this revolutionary fervour.
1381
Death of King Piotr of Bohemia-Poland. With no surviving heirs, the throne passes to his only surviving sibling, a sister, who becomes Queen Sofia, the first female monarch of the Bohemian-Polish Union and the last of the House of Premyslid.
Upon the death of Magnus VII of Norway, he is succeeded by his eldest son, who takes the throne as King Erik III.
Seventy-five years after the accession of Robert “the Bruce” to the Scottish throne, King James of Scotland issues a commemorative Royal Charter, outlining plans for a second Scottish university, to be associated with St. Giles’ Cathedral in Edinburgh.
Along with Stirling, this early university rapidly establishes Scotland as a major centre of learning, particularly in medicine, theology, and science.
1383
Death of Ferdinand of Portugal. His son succeeds him as King, taking the name Peter II.
1386
Following violent clashes between English forces and Welsh rebels in the March borderlands, the Welsh Kingdom of Gwynedd declares its independence from the English crown. The rebel leader, Owen Glendower, becomes King.
1387
The ‘Time of Troubles’ comes to a head when, following mass rioting in London, King John II of England is found dead. In the confusion, a group of English barons attempt to impose some form of control, installing John’s uncle as his successor – King Richard II. John’s wife and daughters disappear, and are thought to have been taken to safety by her family, the Staffords.
After Richard II takes the throne in 1387, he attempts to consolidate English control over the lands of East Ireland by encouraging English settlers to relocate. Whilst initially meeting with limited success, those who have reason to flee England proper find few questions asked when settling in ‘Greater Ulster’ (as the English possessions in Ireland quickly came to be called).
Death of King Charles V of France, also Charles II of Navarre. He is succeeded by his son and namesake, who takes the throne as Charles VI (and III).
Death of King Peter IV of Aragon. His son becomes King John.
1389
Following the marriage of the Grand Duke to a Russian princess, Lithuania begins a conversion to Orthodox Christianity.
1380
Upon his death, King Edward III is succeeded by his son, who takes the English throne, despite warnings with regard to the auspiciousness of his choice of name, as King John II.
1380-1387
The ‘Time of Troubles’ in England; the reign of the hugely unpopular King John II sees a mass uprising in Wales, with the Welsh rebels led by Owain Glendower and Owain Lawgoch declaring their independence from the English crown. This public dissent and unrest is widespread through most of England, with tensions coming to a head in 1387 with the legendary “burning of London”. Only the remote continental territories of Gascony seem to be immune to this revolutionary fervour.
1381
Death of King Piotr of Bohemia-Poland. With no surviving heirs, the throne passes to his only surviving sibling, a sister, who becomes Queen Sofia, the first female monarch of the Bohemian-Polish Union and the last of the House of Premyslid.
Upon the death of Magnus VII of Norway, he is succeeded by his eldest son, who takes the throne as King Erik III.
Seventy-five years after the accession of Robert “the Bruce” to the Scottish throne, King James of Scotland issues a commemorative Royal Charter, outlining plans for a second Scottish university, to be associated with St. Giles’ Cathedral in Edinburgh.
Along with Stirling, this early university rapidly establishes Scotland as a major centre of learning, particularly in medicine, theology, and science.
1383
Death of Ferdinand of Portugal. His son succeeds him as King, taking the name Peter II.
1386
Following violent clashes between English forces and Welsh rebels in the March borderlands, the Welsh Kingdom of Gwynedd declares its independence from the English crown. The rebel leader, Owen Glendower, becomes King.
1387
The ‘Time of Troubles’ comes to a head when, following mass rioting in London, King John II of England is found dead. In the confusion, a group of English barons attempt to impose some form of control, installing John’s uncle as his successor – King Richard II. John’s wife and daughters disappear, and are thought to have been taken to safety by her family, the Staffords.
After Richard II takes the throne in 1387, he attempts to consolidate English control over the lands of East Ireland by encouraging English settlers to relocate. Whilst initially meeting with limited success, those who have reason to flee England proper find few questions asked when settling in ‘Greater Ulster’ (as the English possessions in Ireland quickly came to be called).
Death of King Charles V of France, also Charles II of Navarre. He is succeeded by his son and namesake, who takes the throne as Charles VI (and III).
Death of King Peter IV of Aragon. His son becomes King John.
1389
Following the marriage of the Grand Duke to a Russian princess, Lithuania begins a conversion to Orthodox Christianity.
Back from a week pottering round the Low Countries, and glad to return to see an update John Wycliffe as Pope is brilliant.
In a bizarre twist- could the Habsburgs reappear on a very minor scale, settling a (free) patch of land in Ireland? Stranger things have happened.
On another note- will Genoa (less affected by the Black Death in this TL) make more of a push to colonise the southern Crimea?
John Wycliffe as Pope is brilliant.In a bizarre twist- could the Habsburgs reappear on a very minor scale, settling a (free) patch of land in Ireland? Stranger things have happened.
On another note- will Genoa (less affected by the Black Death in this TL) make more of a push to colonise the southern Crimea?
SteveW said:Back from a week pottering round the Low Countries, and glad to return to see an update
It's not necessarily the Wycliffe we know, though. It's a Wycliffe-analogue.
SteveW said:
I think I'm going to have the remaining Habsburgs tied into their local position in what is in OTL Switzerland. Not quite sure what's going to happen there, but certainly something. Might mix in a greater genetic propensity for madness...
Sure. Why not?
Excellent-an Italian Crimea!
Other slightly bizarre things that I wouldn't mind trying to work out- back to my old favourites, the Canaries. Considering the French conquered them in OTL (I believe Lanzarote is named for a Frenchman, and Fuerteventura takes its name from Betancourt shouting "Fort vent!" ) and then just decided not to do anything with them, might they not go for it in this TL? After all, there is a significant excess population with the reduced Black Death who could easily be enticed, plus a fair few Flemish revolters who could be transported.
Other slightly bizarre things that I wouldn't mind trying to work out- back to my old favourites, the Canaries. Considering the French conquered them in OTL (I believe Lanzarote is named for a Frenchman, and Fuerteventura takes its name from Betancourt shouting "Fort vent!" ) and then just decided not to do anything with them, might they not go for it in this TL? After all, there is a significant excess population with the reduced Black Death who could easily be enticed, plus a fair few Flemish revolters who could be transported.
SteveW said:
I'm not entirely sure. I envisaged them more as Portugese or Navarrese, myself. Do you think that they afford that much of an advantage to their possessors?
I do indeed-a colony and naval base in a strategic location off the coast of Africa, just as the era of exploration there is beginning.
I think you're right, the Portuguese and Navarrese and equally valid. And maybe, even, the English. It's even possible that the islands be split between two powers who are not mutually antagonistic (meaning France and Navarre, or Portugal and England).
The one clear thing seems to be- with no unified Spain, there will be no Spanish Canaries.
I think you're right, the Portuguese and Navarrese and equally valid. And maybe, even, the English. It's even possible that the islands be split between two powers who are not mutually antagonistic (meaning France and Navarre, or Portugal and England).
The one clear thing seems to be- with no unified Spain, there will be no Spanish Canaries.
The Proper Timeline: 1390s
1391
Death of King Magnus II of Sweden. He is succeeded by his son and namesake, who takes the throne as Magnus III.
1392
The Stecknitz Canal, one of the first artificial waterways, is completed, connecting the Hansa city of Lübeck with the town of Lauenburg, home of the Elector of Saxony.
1394
Death of King Richard II of England. He is succeeded by his son, who takes the English throne as Henry IV.
Henry IV is the legitimate heir to the De Burgh lands in Ireland.
1395
Death of King Erik III of Norway. He is succeeded by his son, who becomes Harald V of Norway.
1391
Death of King Magnus II of Sweden. He is succeeded by his son and namesake, who takes the throne as Magnus III.
1392
The Stecknitz Canal, one of the first artificial waterways, is completed, connecting the Hansa city of Lübeck with the town of Lauenburg, home of the Elector of Saxony.
1394
Death of King Richard II of England. He is succeeded by his son, who takes the English throne as Henry IV.
Henry IV is the legitimate heir to the De Burgh lands in Ireland.
1395
Death of King Erik III of Norway. He is succeeded by his son, who becomes Harald V of Norway.
Justin Pickard said:
Bright day
Say, why do you use polish version for the name?
I am sorry that I do not reply regularly, but oblivion is occupying most of my time
. Minor nitpicks... name of Przemyslids, Silence on eastern front- we have very sketchy info about Przemyslid lands and all east of them, also it seems strange that the largest and one of richest kingdom in Europe is not more active in HRE or anywhere else for that matter.Gladi said:Bright day
Say, why do you use polish version for the name?
I am sorry that I do not reply regularly, but oblivion is occupying most of my time
I know it's all a little bit dodgy at the moment. I seem to have anglicised about half of the monarchs names, and left the rest.
This 'Proper Timeline' still needs some fiddling to be done. I'm going to add some more in the way of flavour events and national stuff before posting it in the Timelines forums. So, if anyone has any ideas for relatively random cultural / intellectual / scientific stuff, I'd be interested to hear your ideas.
SteveW said:
Yes, canals and the opticial semaphore towers are going to be *big* in TTL. Still have to work out some stuff for the TL about the semaphore though. Want construction of the first permanent line to begin in the 1360s/70s, but not sure where or who by.
Susano said:*prevents thread from going to pg.2 and bumps*
Tis to good work to vanish from first page. Keep up the good work, Justin!
I'm fiddling with a big-arsed map of the HRE at the moment. Want to do one that can show canal and semaphore routes, independent city states and so forth. Should have something to show for it relatively soon.
Othniel said:
I'm on holiday! Easter and all that. But yes, now I've outlined the TL up to 1400, I can work backwards and add in some detail. Just a bit busy, atm.