The anti-FaT

Neroon

Banned
With the atom bomb never used or even fully developed, opposition to nuclear energy is much less TTL. The US takes a more practical approach to building nuclear power plants; like France OTL building repeatedly to the same design, except with two or three different companies marketing their design to the US and world market.
Wow nailed that part, too. Now all we need is some convincing PoD for Japanese Anime to be broadcast in Western Countries uncut and unedited, on non-pay channels and subtitled instead of dubbed and we got ourselves an utopic timeline :D.
 
Why? Stalin was a good leader, but he wasn't irreplaceable.

I'm assuming that there is a protracted power struggle between Red Army, NKVD, senior members of the Politburo, and other factions. Perhaps I overestimated the effect of cutting Stalin off, as this didn't bollix things completely in OTL 1953. However, OTL the Soviet Union was largely at peace when Stalin died; here there are Germans at the door. Possibly Moscow gets captured, further mangling leadership, although I didn't insert that in (TBO admittedly makes the whole 'post-soviet transition' more likely by having Moscow fall and the Soviet's backs to the wall, although it makes it less realistic by having the postwar government be all happy-shiny).

The Russians largely manage defenses anyway, after all its their homes on the line. However, with less of the competent leadership on the field and more of it concentrating on power struggles, perhaps with the NKVD being purged as well, they won't do as well with taking advantage of German difficulties. Also, with Hitler knocked out of it, a delayed Final Solution, and a marginally less overbearing leadership, the Germans have to face fewer partisans in the Ukraine and the Baltics than OTL, allowing them to concentrate a bit more on regrouping from losses.

Again, why?

As for the France invasion, I figured that, since the Soviets are doing worse they'll cry even more for a full second front - in OTL, Churchill opposed this, but in this TL Roosevelt overrides. In FaT, an invasion of France was accomplished, here I made it succeed and added a second invasion, probably the larger of the two - the soldiers that OTL go for Sicily instead go for Southern France, with an additional landing on Sardinia and perhaps Corsica for more ports and less available Axis aerial support. In any case, Italy is much less of a threat than Germany. A southern France landing is probably the wisest choice in support of a northern landing - Even without a Sicily invasion, the Axis navies are already largely finished in the Med. by late '43, and France is the required base for a real strike on Germany proper (the problem with the "soft underbelly" Italy is that the Alps block it off from Germany).

There are advantages and disadvantages to an early landing. The big disadvantage is that Germany hasn't faced round-the-clock bombing as much or for as long yet, and has easier resupply and more troops available. On the other hand, the Atlantic Wall is less complete than it would be in the next year, and the Allies will still almost certainly have air superiority, if not necessarily the complete dominance would it had by later 1944.

What makes them Communist in name only?

First, its a Junta led by members of the Red Army, generally communistic but less so than a civilian-led administration, and not following much of a Stalinist or Trotskyist dogma, rather taking a more traditional dictator's view of "do whatever has to be done to survive". The Red Army took a severe beating from Stalin's purges in the 30s, and the officers who aren't bootlickers recognize that Stalinist communism, at least, is problematic. I kind of want to have Rokossovsky (sp?), an officer who OTL was released from a gulag due to the desperation for leaders, to have a substantial role as well.

Second, promoting the revolution too much will make those capitalists enemies, when they can just as well send you money. A less ideologically dedicated government will tone down its message, largely to keep Lend-lease and trade with the US, Britain, and others. Especially postwar, the leaders will recognize that trade

What I imagine is that, postwar, you'll have something like the USSR under Lenin's NEP, or Deng's China - outwardly praising Marxist-Leninism, but more "flexible" towards market solutions and not badmouthing its neighbors, or spreading the revolution a la Trotsky. Perhaps a less crazy version of the Myanmar junta, or something more akin to OTL fascist states, would be an even better comparison.

What made FaT so compelling was that, at first, it was a very plausible TL, showing us our world, but through a mirror, darkly.

True, although eventually it went completely off into "Murphy's Law as TL".
 
Excellent list. One nitpick: Scoop Jackson died in 1983.

Hmm, for your centrist-libertarian Democrat, how about Joe Lieberman? He was born in 1942 IOTL, and he seems like a good choice to continue America's winning streak in regards to Presidents in the anti-FaT TL.

Hmm... would Birch Bayh or Daniel Patrick Moynihan be a better choice, then? Or perhaps push Jackson back to the 70s, and Reagan and Dole forward...

As for Lieberman, he's more populist than libertarian, though (religious Jewish background, opposition to violent video games, etc.). I was thinking along the lines of a younger Jackson or Moynihan. Although Lieberman would still be better than, say, Bill Clinton or George W. Bush...
 
Hmm... would Birch Bayh or Daniel Patrick Moynihan be a better choice, then? Or perhaps push Jackson back to the 70s, and Reagan and Dole forward...

Birch Bayh would work.

As for Lieberman, he's more populist than libertarian, though (religious Jewish background, opposition to violent video games, etc.). I was thinking along the lines of a younger Jackson or Moynihan. Although Lieberman would still be better than, say, Bill Clinton or George W. Bush...

How about someone like Arizona Governor Bruce Babbitt? He was born in 1938 IOTL. In this world, he could be butterflied into becoming more libertarian on a number of issues (excepting his environmentalist views).
 
1) For Russia's future: in 1989, the Russian Junta's decaying dictator makes a surprise announcement. In order to transfer to democracy, the tsar will be temporarily restored (i.e. a British royal roughly related to the Romanovs through Saxe-Coburg) and a parliamentary democracy installed. If you're going for the Spain route to democratic rule, why not go full force! :D You could also have it be earlier, in the 1970s, and then maybe Anastasia is still alive (hidden in some prison in Siberia).

2) Latin America: we need some butterflies to take care of the PRI in Mexico and Peron in Argentina (or make their rule better).

3) FDR lives longer. Some think that if he'd live long enough, he would have resigned at some point to become Secretary-General of the UN. Perhaps he does so, though dies fairly soon. Without the Cold War, it doesn't languish into mediocrity and becomes the as much world government as one would care for (standing up for human rights, free trade, development, etc.)

4) There is a Star Trek channel. 24/7/365. Need I say more?
 
Hmm...

Since this is an anti-FaT TL, America's black and Jewish populations can be even more closely alligned and friendly with one another than in our world.

Also, the good government policies of America's excellent string of Presidents certainly won't hurt the issue of civil rights either...
 
How about instead of using the Palestinians as pawns for their own ends, the Arab nations welcome them all with open arms, and within 12 years all of the refugees have found permanent homes throughout the whole Middle-East?
 
How about instead of using the Palestinians as pawns for their own ends, the Arab nations welcome them all with open arms, and within 12 years all of the refugees have found permanent homes throughout the whole Middle-East?

That would work well for this TL...the only question is what would prompt the Arab countries to do that?
 

MrHola

Banned
And what about Iran? Could we prevent Iran from turning into a theocracy?
I honestly don't know how.
 

ninebucks

Banned
And what about Iran? Could we prevent Iran from turning into a theocracy?
I honestly don't know how.

The Iranian Revolution was a popular revolution, it resulted in the overthrow of an unpopular, oppressive and internationally-corrupted regime and the introduction of a form of democracy supported by the population. Whereas before, Iran's mineral wealth was funnelled through the pockets of pro-Western actors, post-revolutionary Iran was quite redistributive, investment in public services improved and most Iranians benefited materially.

It seems to me that the Iranian 'theocracy' is actually quite utopic as it is, by Middle Eastern standards at least. However, there is room for improvement - if the Iran-Iraq War is butterflied away, then Iran will probably have a much less militaristic character, there will be a much weaker cult of heroism around the Baseej and other groups, and, crucially, suicide bombing will not be popularised. Without this historical background, its likely the Iranians will be warmer to the subject of human rights, and may even place a long-term moratorium on capital punishment.
 
Here are some distinctly non-Western ideas for some changes to the ATL, including an idea for a leader who can prevent the rise of religious theocracy in Iran:

* 2000- Representative Charlie Wilson (D-TX) wins the presidential nomination for the Democratic Party...

* 1989-Wang Jingsheng emerges as clear leader of the Chinese democracy movement in Beijing, being called the "Lech Walesa of the East"...

* 1977- Dariush Shayegan becomes head of the burgeoning pro-democracy movement, calling for a "dialogue of civilizations" in Tehran...

* 1977- Steven Biko is hospitalized after surviving a beating by police authorities in Johannesburg, sparking international attention to the apartheid situation...

* 1973- Chilean President Salvador Allende overturns coup attempt by General Augusto Pinochet, calling for democratic and economic reforms...

* 1961- P.M. Chang Myun successfully resists a coup attempt in Seoul by Park Chung Hee, insuring stabilized democracy for South Koreans...
 

Rockingham

Banned
In regards to Palestine... I think it needs to be established as a formally secular, rather then Jewish state. Basically another Lebanon, but without so stupid a election system.

If we can kill of the Suadis somehow, thats a bonus as well.
 
In regards to Palestine... I think it needs to be established as a formally secular, rather then Jewish state. Basically another Lebanon, but without so stupid a election system.

If we can kill of the Suadis somehow, thats a bonus as well.

You'd need the Rashidis to beat them...

It would probably need a late-WWI PoD to manage that... :(
 
1940s

- Japan attacks numerous areas of the Pacific after Pearl Harbor, but damage to Pearl harbor is less than in OTL. Arizona is raised and rebuilt as an aircraft carrier, and along with USS Hornet goes on the Doolittle Raid. The USA gets to war very fast, and by early 1943 is back with a vengeance.

- Hitler dies after a fall in 1942, handing power to Goering. Goering instead of exterminating the Jews orders them held and used as a slave labor. Thousands escape over time, and the vast majority hightail it to Palestine. The USSR's own anti-semitism leads to many Jews leavign for the supposedly autonomous province for them in eastern Siberia. After the war, these Jews become sizable populations in Korea and Japan.

- Germany and the USSR lock horns hard during Barbarossa, and the two are both unwilling to back off. Over the next two years, they beat the sludge out of each other killing at least three million troops on each side, and comprehensively destroy the economies of both nations. The Germans make it to Moscow, but no further. Stalin is killed by a German bombing raid. The USSR, now led by Beriya and Khrushchev, fights the war all the way back to Nazi Germany.

- Japan's war goes largely as in OTL. FDR dies as in OTL in 1945, and Truman takes over smoothly. The bombs are dropped on Japan as in OTL, and Japan promptly surrenders. The USA, already suspicious of the USSR, works hard to make Japan an ally. Korea independent, is fought over by the communists and the west for the first but not last time, but operations run by the USA and CIA kill Kim Il Sung and eventually force the war in favor of the south. Korea is united under Syngman Rhee. Chairman Mao is not in favor of this of course, but there is little they can do about it.

- Japan takes their defeat hard, but along the lines of the spirit of what Meiji espoused in the 1870s and 1880s, open the gates full-blast - including a surprisingly open immigration policy that gets more open in the 1970s and 1980s.

- The Marshall Plan rebuilds Europe quite rapidly, and the Marshall plan is extended to Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Poland and Hungary.

- The end of WWII sees a massive migration of WWII survivors who have no wish to stay in damaged post-war Britain going to other places in the world. millions of these land in Argentina, Brazil, Africa and Australia.

In Africa, this dramatically boosts the white populations of South Africa (which dooms the National party and apartheid) and Rhodesia. This by the 1960s also dooms the racialism of the white governments. Majority rule is a reality in Rhodesia by the late 1970s, and in South Africa by the mid-80s.

Juan Peron never rises to power in Argentina, but instead the country's democratic government stands up to its military. Post-war Argentina's economy keeps up with the pace of Europe's growth, and Argentina rises to become one of the world's wealthiest nations by the 1970s. Britain hands back the Falkland Islands effective April 1, 1982. Argentina's money pushes development in neighboring nations starting in the 1960s. By 2000, Buenos Aires is said in the same breath as Tokyo, New York, London and Paris.

Australia becomes aware of its vast mineral resources by the 1950s, and Australian emigres in Japan lead to a path for Australian resources to fuel Japan's fast-growing industry. The resources rams Australia right back out of the post-WWII economic slump they found themselves in.
 
Considering that right now a was majority of humanity is living in poverty and misery, if you realy want a ATL that benefits all mankind you need much more human decolonization and somehow making Africa finally start progressing from stone age on cultural level.

Less intensive Cold War should prevent extremes in despotism in South America and Far East. As USA did a unhonorable amount of "accuse some SA leader to be Ebil Commie (TM) and replace him with a military junta that keeps power by filling up graveyards."
 
The USA Post-WWII

Presidents:

1946-1953: Harry Truman (D)
1953-1961: Dwight Eisenhower (R)
1961-1969: Hubert Humphrey (D)
1969-1973: Robert Kennedy (D)
1973-1977: Ronald Reagan (R)
1977-1983: Henry Jackson (D)
1983-1985: Jimmy Carter (D)
1985-1989: Jack Kemp (R)
1989-1997: Bill Clinton (D)
1997-2001: Albert Gore (D)
2001-present: Colin Powell (R)

Vice Presidents:

1949-1953: Alben Barkley
1953-1961: Richard Nixon
1961-1965: John F. Kennedy
1965-1969: Lyndon Johnson
1969-1973: Martin Luther King Jr.
1973-1977: Gerald Ford
1977-1979: Warren Magnuson
1979-1981: John Glenn
1981-1983: Jimmy Carter
1983-1985: Gary Hart
1985-1989: George H.W. Bush
1989-1997: Al Gore
1997-2001: Chris Gardner
2001-present: Rudy Giuliani

Truman and Eisenhower's presidencies go pretty much as OTL, though the cold war gets a little longer to get going because of the Soviets being truly beaten up by WWII.

Humphrey didn't subscribe to the domino theory and as such did not send troops to Vietnam. Humphrey also lorded over the Civil rights movement, led by Martin Luther King. This, however, goes very different from OTL.

The Great Society systems of Lyndon Johnson are not brought out, but instead King and political leaders use the tactic of beating racism by showing even the most thick-headed racists that the blacks are the equals of the whites. Robert Kennedy, who takes over from Humphrey in 1969, has King as his vice-president and a solid commitment to solving the US' economic problems. The idea of racial harmony is a hard one to catch on, but by economic rise of a powerful black middle class in the late 1960s gives the idea merit. Despite this, economic problems in the early 1970s caused by widespread industrial unrest hammered Kennedy's administration, and he loses to the charismatic Ronald Reagan in 1972.

Reagan's presidency was one of challenges galore - with the Republican base demanding more conservative policies and much of the country going the other way, Reagan tries to shoot the gap and succeeds for a while. But the 1973 energy crisis doomed him, and he lost badly to Henry Jackson in 1977.

Henry M. Jackson, nicknamed "Scoop", would turn out to be the most influential president since Eisenhower, and Jackson lead ideas of a very open society, but a tough military, unquestioned support for nations with strong human rights and democracies made him almost a legend. At home, he used his own influence to undertake radical plans in the transport and energy sectors of the US economy, and this left his country starting to move forward much quicker economically.

In 1981, Jackson faced a nationwide general strike and simultaneous civil violence after a number of racially charged trials and incidents in Los Angeles, Houston, Chicago, Charlotte and Miami. The first general strike in decades in August 1981 after the PATCO union incident did not help, and Jackson responded with dealing with the unions over the 1981 strikes and ordering the retrials of the defendants in the civil rights cases.

The 1980s saw a massive boost in the US economy, and a striking growth in wages in America in virtually all income brackets. At the same time, the trend against living in the suburbs which had been a wave in the 1970s turned into a Tsunami by the late 1980s.

Jackson suffered an aortic aneurysm on September 1, 1983, shortly after giving a press conference after the shooting down of Korean Air 007, an act which caused a vast change in US-USSR relations. Despite the best attempts by doctors, Jackson died on September 12, 1983. Jackson's death elevated Vice-President Jimmy Carter into the White House, but Carter's progressive politics were unable to stop Jack Kemp from taking over the White House in 1984.

Kemp lorded over the full force of the USA's long economic boom which lasted into the 20th Century, but found that the Republican plans of cutting the size of government and opposing universal medical plans did not help him. By 1987, Kemp had largely started riding the center of politics, but the new leader of the Congress, Democrat Bill Clinton, fought him tooth and nail over many social programs.

It was almost natural that Clinton and Kemp would lock horns in the polls, and so they did in the 1988 Presidential campaign. Kemp led on his record of economic success and strong social safety network, though Clinton repeatedly commented that his own party was against him. And it was true to a large extent - he had faced tough challenges from religious conservative Pat Robertson and Senate minority leader Robert Dole during the nomination campaign in 1988. Clinton however didn't take him by much.

Clinton was compared by many to Jackson and Reagan, with his charisma and charm. His idea of giving much authority and influence to Vice President Al Gore was a good one and allowed Clinton's government to move rapidly, and his usual confiding in the best members of Congress and the Senate regardless of ideological and party differences made his policies both popular and efficient.

The US in 1991 began production of synthetic crude from the massive Green River oil shale production facilities, with the facilities powered largely from nuclear reactors.
 
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