The Anschluss War of 1938

During this period Austria was close to Italy and there is a strong possibility that it might very well have intervened. The Italians had a fairly large military and a well established air Force. As for Germans not shooting their fellow Germans Brutal military force was used against the Communist in Germany during the 1920s and the Reichwehr was period to killed the Nazis during the same period. It is my belief based on what I read that if ordered to the Austrian Army would have resisted an invasion. Italy and France would have intervend ..One must remember that in this period the Heer was not very capable of fighting any kind of war and even in 1938 if the Czechs had fought the German Army would have suffered greatly
And we know that Chancellor Engelbert Dollfuss might use force against fellow Austrians as he had done in the 1st Civil War in 1934, if he survives a second assassination attempt after he has told Hitler that Austria would never become part of Germany he might decide to crush the Austrian Fascist who might rise up with support of Germany causing first a 2nd Civil War and then the Germans invading in order to in their view, restore order and peace in Austria, then we might see a referendum taking place which will end up making Austria part of Germany.
 
You're missing the racial aspect which is extremely important. Austrians would never fight fellow Austrians neither would they fight fellow Germans and Germans would never fight fellow Germans.

CalBear always gets jealous when I get to ban a Nazi, but this guy was so prolific I figured I should just shut him up now.
 
During this period Austria was close to Italy and there is a strong possibility that it might very well have intervened. The Italians had a fairly large military and a well established air Force. As for Germans not shooting their fellow Germans Brutal military force was used against the Communist in Germany during the 1920s and the Reichwehr was period to killed the Nazis during the same period. It is my belief based on what I read that if ordered to the Austrian Army would have resisted an invasion. Italy and France would have intervend ..One must remember that in this period the Heer was not very capable of fighting any kind of war and even in 1938 if the Czechs had fought the German Army would have suffered greatly

No, Italy will stay neutral, as said before Austria was the pay off for Germany support both political and economic during and after the sanctions period and France will not act alone.
 

nbcman

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What about Czechoslovakia support, do not know relations of Austria with Czechoslovakia in 1938 but Czechoslovakia could come to Austria aid if needed.

The Little Entente (Romania, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia) was created to oppose Hungarian and Austrian resurgence. I doubt that either the Yugoslavian or Czechoslovakian governments would support Austria. They might act if the French were involved in the war but probably not in time to save Austria.
 
The Little Entente (Romania, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia) was created to oppose Hungarian and Austrian resurgence. I doubt that either the Yugoslavian or Czechoslovakian governments would support Austria. They might act if the French were involved in the war but probably not in time to save Austria.
How can France save Austria, they need to get true Switzerland first, Italy is not going to allow French troops true their country to get to Austria.
 

nbcman

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How can France save Austria, they need to get true Switzerland first, Italy is not going to allow French troops true their country to get to Austria.
They couldn't directly. The French and her allies could defeat the Germans who would then be forced to restore Austria's independence as part of a peace agreement
 
The POD that chancellor Engelbert Dollfuss of the Federal State of Austria is not assassinated on July 25th 1934 is not early enough then.

I had a POD in the 1920's that resulted in the survival of Austrofascist Austria but that changed the makeup of Germany so that there was little reason for Anschluss.
 

Pangur

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Can't believe this board still deals with Nazis.
Holy crap, reading all his posts its obvious that he was real monty- Dont know about people up however the whole racial superiority bit yeah. I am more than willing to be corrected however its a while (thankfully) since we have one of those- ** Shudders **
 

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What about the Heer in Germany? They were planning a coup in 1938 if War came about over the Sudetenland - would war over the Anschluss mean the same?
 
What about the Heer in Germany? They were planning a coup in 1938 if War came about over the Sudetenland - would war over the Anschluss mean the same?
I am not sure. On the one hand, Germany is even less strong, army-wise. On the other hand (correct me if I'm wrong), Austria was not as prepared both in terms of defenses and in terms of army size, not to mention, Czechoslovakia had alliances with France, the USSR and the Little entente which Austria did not have and was overall in a better defensive position
 
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Cook

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Why do you think he would not survive a visit to Hitler.

Dollfuss would never have been so stupid as to go to Berchtesgaden to negotiate with Hitler because Berchtesgaden was Hitler's home ground, it gave him every advantage and allowed him to dominate and intimidate. Schuschnigg was advised not to go, by Mussolini no less, but went anyway; he was, quite simply, a fool. Dollfuss was no-one's fool (although he had a fool's dress sense), so I find it very hard to imagine him going.
 
Dollfuss would never have been so stupid as to go to Berchtesgaden to negotiate with Hitler because Berchtesgaden was Hitler's home ground, it gave him every advantage and allowed him to dominate and intimidate. Schuschnigg was advised not to go, by Mussolini no less, but went anyway; he was, quite simply, a fool. Dollfuss was no-one's fool (although he had a fool's dress sense), so I find it very hard to imagine him going.
So can we then send somebody else to lets say Berlin to hear Hitler ultimatum, looking at Wiki i can see that Guido Schmidt is the Foreign Minister of Austria in 1938, so could he be send instead of Dollfuss.
 
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