The Anschluss War of 1938

LotusFlower

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It's important to note that both the SPADO and the KPO (like the SPD and KPD) drew their lineage back to Marx, neither had much time for ethnic nationalism.
Their political elites but the grassroots and the average voter are a different thing.
 
Their political elites but the grassroots and the average voter are a different thing.

You haven't really offered any evidence to prove this, other than a theory that people were putting economic circumstances over ethnic nationalism, which even if true that indicate that the economy was ultimately more important to people in any case.
 

LotusFlower

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You haven't really offered any evidence to prove this, other than a theory that people were putting economic circumstances over ethnic nationalism, which even if true that indicate that the economy was ultimately more important to people in any case.
As I have said before if you want to disprove what I have said then go ahead, it is not my responsibility to provide you with evidence. If you want to challenge what I have said with evidence then go ahead.
 
As I have said before if you want to disprove what I have said then go ahead, it is not my responsibility to provide you with evidence. If you want to challenge what I have said with evidence then go ahead.

If you're going to state that SDAPO voters and grassroots members of the party were all secretly ethnic nationalists then the onus is on yourself to back it up.
 
People please, can we go back to the topic of this thread, it is clear that Austria would bow to Germany, but i wanted to know how this war would look like especially with the Austria Army only have enough ammunition for three days before they are force to either surrender or pray that somebody come to their aid.
 
People please, can we go back to the topic of this thread, it is clear that Austria would bow to Germany,

Given that the basis of this thread is predicated on Dollfuss, I don't think that it's a given that Austria would simply have surrendered to Germany if invaded.

i wanted to know how this war would look like especially with the Austria Army only have enough ammunition for three days before they are force to either surrender or pray that somebody come to their aid.

Not sure where you're getting the three days of ammunition figure, it doesn't seem to be included in the source you've cited. Does it refer to the standing army of 20,000 or the potential force of 180,000 men made up of reservists and auxiliary units that the source mentions? Ignoring ammunition issues, this latter manpower seems quite promising considering the actual German force involved in the Anschluss. You might see the sort of stalemate that came about in @EdT's A Greater Britain.
 
Not sure where you're getting the three days of ammunition figure, it doesn't seem to be included in the source you've cited. Does it refer to the standing army of 20,000 or the potential force of 180,000 men made up of reservists and auxiliary units that the source mentions? Ignoring ammunition issues, this latter manpower seems quite promising considering the actual German force involved in the Anschluss. You might see the sort of stalemate that came about in @EdT's A Greater Britain.
Here Austrian 1938 Army Capability (click on the PDF link to read it), then go to page 51 and 52.
 

LotusFlower

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If you're going to state that SDAPO voters and grassroots members of the party were all secretly ethnic nationalists then the onus is on yourself to back it up.
I did not claim they were all secret ethnic nationalists but I would say a significant majority were even by 1930's standards, by today's standards they would all be considered to be ethnic nationalists.
 

LotusFlower

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People please, can we go back to the topic of this thread, it is clear that Austria would bow to Germany, but i wanted to know how this war would look like especially with the Austria Army only have enough ammunition for three days before they are force to either surrender or pray that somebody come to their aid.
There would of never of been a war under the circumstances.
 
Here Austrian 1938 Army Capability (click on the PDF link to read it), then go to page 51 and 52.

Thanks for that. Considering the lack of ammunition, I can't see Austria holding out for long if fighting alone. Even considering the breakdowns and other teething problems that the Wehrmacht would have suffered they would likely have succeded in occupying the country within a fortnight by sheer attrition. I'd expect a larger and better organised Austrian underground however and even if the German invasion didn't cause the outside world to intervene it might have woken them up to the danger of Hitler earlier on, war might break out over the Sudetenland rather than Danzig.
 
I did not claim they were all secret ethnic nationalists but I would say a significant majority were even by 1930's standards, by today's standards they would all be considered to be ethnic nationalists.

You might well think that considering the electoral strength of the SDAPO, the endurance of Red Vienna, and the fact that Dollfuss felt the need to abolish democracy and ban his opponents, I can't help but feel that it's a rather baseless assumption.

@ajross any thoughts?
 

nbcman

Donor
Austria's only hope is if Italy supports them in the spring of 1938 as they did in 1934 after the OTL assassination of Chancellor Dollfuss. Otherwise, Austria would get rolled over fairly quickly even with France and UK declaring war. But Germany would be in a weak position as compared to the fall of 1939 and I would expect the Germans-Allied war to fizzle out quickly with a stalemate white peace at best for the Germans or a German collapse.
 

LotusFlower

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Austria's only hope is if Italy supports them in the spring of 1938 as they did in 1934 after the OTL assassination of Chancellor Dollfuss. Otherwise, Austria would get rolled over fairly quickly even with France and UK declaring war. But Germany would be in a weak position as compared to the fall of 1939 and I would expect the Germans-Allied war to fizzle out quickly with a stalemate white peace at best for the Germans or a German collapse.
Most likely a white peace, there would never of been a German collapse.
 
Austria's only hope is if Italy supports them in the spring of 1938 as they did in 1934 after the OTL assassination of Chancellor Dollfuss. Otherwise, Austria would get rolled over fairly quickly even with France and UK declaring war. But Germany would be in a weak position as compared to the fall of 1939 and I would expect the Germans-Allied war to fizzle out quickly with a stalemate white peace at best for the Germans or a German collapse.
What about Czechoslovakia support, do not know relations of Austria with Czechoslovakia in 1938 but Czechoslovakia could come to Austria aid if needed.
 

LotusFlower

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What about Czechoslovakia support, do not know relations of Austria with Czechoslovakia in 1938 but Czechoslovakia could come to Austria aid if needed.
Czechoslovakia would never declare war on the Reich, Czechoslovakia was a weak and artificially created nation.
 
Assuming there really only three days of ammunition available, I think you've answered your question yourself: the war will last about three days.

Nobody is in a position to come to Austria's aid.
 
Czechoslovakia would never declare war on the Reich, Czechoslovakia was a weak and artificially created nation.
Czechoslovak nationality was official name for separate Czech and Slobak nationalities. There were ideas to develop it into true Czechoslovak nation but with two interchangable languages hardly possible.
True is Czechoslovakia would not declare war on Reich by itself. Was it weak? Not really. With population something about 10 milions it could handle its neighbours except Germany by itself.
That's why it was important for Czechoslovakia to be part of western alliance system/ French.

Or We can say Poland was weak artificially created state too. After all it end up same way as Czechoslovakia.
 
During this period Austria was close to Italy and there is a strong possibility that it might very well have intervened. The Italians had a fairly large military and a well established air Force. As for Germans not shooting their fellow Germans Brutal military force was used against the Communist in Germany during the 1920s and the Reichwehr was period to killed the Nazis during the same period. It is my belief based on what I read that if ordered to the Austrian Army would have resisted an invasion. Italy and France would have intervend ..One must remember that in this period the Heer was not very capable of fighting any kind of war and even in 1938 if the Czechs had fought the German Army would have suffered greatly
 
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