The Anglo/American - Nazi War

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by CalBear, Nov 8, 2009.

  1. Bookmark1995 Bookmark95 Reborn!

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    So would right-to-work laws still exist ITTL? Does fear of the Red Menace still permeate, or has that fear been replaced by the even more repugnant Nazis?
     
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  2. Enigmajones Ours Is The Fury

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    Just a thought I had, how did the Fuhrer Cities initiative go in this timeline? Did Linz ever grow to the planned size? And if so, was it destroyed during the war? And if not has it lasted in the Austrian rump state?
     
  3. RanulfC Well-Known Member

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    Going to point out a lot of those social programs are already in place and have been since the Great Depression. There will likely be more piled on since they have a high veteran population, education level and economy to back that up. Maintaining the population of veterans and citizens that support the "war" effort is the reason most places had such adopted during the Cold War, this being a larger effort and supporting more of the manpower and resources kind of requires more support on the "home-front" as well. WE won't recognize TTL's society and support system because our way of describing them is off-kilter.

    Both the "Red" and "Nazi" menace were expunged with quite a bit of vehemence so there would be no 'fear' of either as they would be clearly viewed as 'failed' systems. Again the shape of the society we're trying to jam our views on isn't the same as the drivers aren't the same nor the outcomes. Labor relations has to be good because in the end the government can NOT support the system by force and along those lines treating labor badly will be a VERY frowned on by that same government. As noted a large majority of the workforce was women and minorities and that entails certain rights as well as responsibilities and in TTL BOTH will be prized and encouraged.

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  4. SsgtC Ready to Call it a Day

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    Sorry, I was responded specifically to the poster that stated the United States was most likely strongly democratic-socialist. I don't think the US of AANW would even remotely consider itself socialist. Regardless of the social programs it has. Most US tax revenue in this ATL probably goes to the military. The A4 never truly demobilized after WWII.
     
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  5. Bookmark1995 Bookmark95 Reborn!

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    I wonder if ITTL Russia and Ukraine, because both nations are so utterly empty, have implemented some kind of Homestead Act. They have so much damn land on so much arable soil, they could give it away to anyone who wanted it.
     
  6. President Earl Warren Well-Known Member

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    Would they want to do that though? Their are so few Russians and Ukrainians left that if they implemented that sort of program they very easily could become out numbered fast
     
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  7. SsgtC Ready to Call it a Day

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    They would probably offer land to people of Russian or Ukrainian descent. Similar to how TTL Poland did for Americans, Canadians, British and Australians of Polish descent
     
  8. Bookmark1995 Bookmark95 Reborn!

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    I figured that Russia ITTL would implement something akin to Australia's policy of "populate or perish".
     
  9. SsgtC Ready to Call it a Day

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    It probably depends on how many Russians got out of the Western half of the USSR and decided to settle in the Czarist Republic instead of Western Alaska.
     
  10. President Earl Warren Well-Known Member

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    That wouldn’t exactly be the most attractive settlement scheme, especially for people from the First world
     
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  11. Bookmark1995 Bookmark95 Reborn!

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    Why?
     
  12. President Earl Warren Well-Known Member

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    Well, let’s say I’m a guy from the ITTL USA. I have all the amenities of home and a generally comfortable exsistence. Would I take an offer by a new government in a war torn area to leave all of that behind and get promptly abandoned by that Government to build a new life all on my own? If I have family (kinda essential for the whole repopulating Russia businesses) do you think I’d move my children out of the infinitely better US education system to a place which will essentially be the Wild West?
     
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  13. RanulfC Well-Known Member

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    That's kind of my point because they never demobilize they would similarly end up in an OTL "Cold War" mobilization situation (rather on steroids) which requires setting up a support system through the civilian sector to support it and the numerous personnel that cycle through the system. Like our Cold War spending most of the money is going to go into the civilian sector in support of the military rather than directly to the military SINCE they didn't demob the military after the end of the war. No the US (nor likely the other A4 nations) won't 'consider' themselves "socialist" per-se since that will be tied closely the "failed" system of Communism, but frankly expansion on and extension of the social programs are going to happen simply because they will end up providing support for the nations and the associated military's.

    "We" could call such things "democratic socialist" but that's because we've got a totally different perspective AND vocabulary that evolved in a different from what they have TTL. Citizens of TTL will likely see no issues with paying much higher taxes and having those come back as social support programs as they are fully used to doing so after about half a century working under such an arrangement. People will likely not rail against it or demand reductions because it obviously works and has obvious and clear social and economic consequences that are clear and logical to them. Politicians will find little traction complaining about "Communism" or "Fascism" since both are obvious failed systems, (and unlike OTL there will likely be no "neo" movements since the thought of following either of those philosophies is abhorrent at a very low 'grass-roots' level) though it's very likely they will find a substitute or some kind.

    Now don't get me wrong as it's likely that "we" wouldn't like or feel comfortable in such a world as it's going to be as "free" or "open" as we're used to but to people in TTL OTL would feel very wrong and they wouldn't understand our use of terminology either.

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  14. SuperZtar64 Lord Protector of the New Commonwealth

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    So, whatever happened to the Reichskommisariats?

    Second, is the B_Munro map canon?

    Thank you.

    EDIT: Oh, also here's some AANW fanart of the A4 i made on a whim.
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  15. CalBear Your Ursus arctos californicus Moderator Moderator Donor

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    Pretty much dead on. The social programs, and there are a LOT of them related to infrastructure, including the solar farms high speed maglev, etc. are all seen as either extensions of, or necessary to, the defense budget (rather like the early justification for the Interstate Highway System was IOTL).
     
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  16. CalBear Your Ursus arctos californicus Moderator Moderator Donor

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    The map is pretty much canon, although he did have Brazil bopping off for reasons I haven't quite figured out yet, but the rest of his captions are so bloody hilarious it more or less HAS to be considered a work of art.

    Love the Polandballs. Still they've only resorted to orbital bombardment one time.

    Destroy one city with moon launched meteors and you're labeled for life.
     
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  17. Tamara Well-Known Member

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    So... I wonder what someone from ATL would think of OTL if it was written as alternate history?
    It would probably be suspected to be pro- German propaganda, as it would feature a powerful United Germany that doesn’t start any more world wars. I bet they would think of a powerful USSR as something of an ass-pull considering how it ended up ATL. I could also see them assuming that the PCR was exactly the same as ATL China, and whoever was writing it constantly having to explain that yes, it’s a repressive Chinese government, but no, it isn’t as bad as ATL China. Japan would be seen as too optimistic to be plausible. And the European Union would probably be assumed to be some sort of devious world domination plot on Germany’s part.
     
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  18. Bookmark1995 Bookmark95 Reborn!

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    Someone might call it a "childish fantasy." Because the idea of a Germany integrated with Europe, without razing it to the ground, would sound utterly ridiculous.
     
  19. CalBear Your Ursus arctos californicus Moderator Moderator Donor

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    Mostly it would be seen as an unrealistic "wouldn't be nice" war description. Not so sure about the postwar world, which would seem chaotic and quite violent. Indians would hate it, as would most of South American, SEA, the Philippines. Europeans would find the post war world depiction pretty wonderful.
     
  20. Bookmark1995 Bookmark95 Reborn!

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    Realistic alternate history stories always seems to involve a tradeoff: if you make one place horrible, make another place better.
     
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