What ever happened to those who supported Isolationism in the United States?
Isolationists hardly have much of political career. You just can't say "America should leave Europe.". That would be ensured political suicide.
What ever happened to those who supported Isolationism in the United States?
True although constant emergency status for so long has an evolutionary pressure on mentality until it become so "normal" its hard to imagine living any other way. In the OTL west WW2 is a heroic adventure but ultimately has faded to a blip that barely effects modern day life. In this TL you are taught everyday to give thanks for our deliverence and the scars won't heel for centuries. To deny the need for preventive war would be like trampling on the reputation of Lincoln, you just don't do it ever.I would imagine that just as OTL, some of the former Isolationists threw a flashy chunk of their personal treasure into the pot very publicly and tried to memory-hole what they'd been saying up until 1940. Some probably succeeded better than others.
The difference is that here, the emergency and the spending goes on another generation and then you have the postwar occupation++ keeping taxes nice and high, so more of them are effectively wiped out; isolationism is largely forgotten except by historians, and only sometimes mentioned in public discourse. It failed too hard and too quietly to be a whipping boy, even if they ideas that comprise it are individually reviled.
Circa TTL's 2020, there are probably nascent isolationist forces at work in the US/A4 populace. When they hit a critical mass is an open question for the future of the TL - it's clearly not yet by the 'present'.
I would imagine that just as OTL, some of the former Isolationists threw a flashy chunk of their personal treasure into the pot very publicly and tried to memory-hole what they'd been saying up until 1940. Some probably succeeded better than others.
The difference is that here, the emergency and the spending goes on another generation and then you have the postwar occupation++ keeping taxes nice and high, so more of them are effectively wiped out; isolationism is largely forgotten except by historians, and only sometimes mentioned in public discourse. It failed too hard and too quietly to be a whipping boy, even if they ideas that comprise it are individually reviled.
Circa TTL's 2020, there are probably nascent isolationist forces at work in the US/A4 populace. When they hit a critical mass is an open question for the future of the TL - it's clearly not yet by the 'present'.
I think the concept of Moral Panic would be used by many to describe rise of Nazism. Which would mean just like racism, it would discredit moral guardians.
As mass media and many group's demonization on Weimar Culture during interwar years caused Nazis to rise.
Many of these moral panic in interwar germany was started off by nazis like how they claimed Jews as spreader of communism and the weimar culture, which the nazis called decadent. That was what they used to justify book burnings and all these violance like kristallnacht and eventually the holocaust.German teenagers becoming child soldiers could easily be blamed on all the putrid propaganda Germans were exposed too.
Someone could make the argument that violence is what drove these children to commit these crimes.
Many of these moral panic in interwar germany was started off by nazis like how they claimed Jews as spreader of communism and the weimar culture, which the nazis called decadent. That was what they used to justify book burnings and all these violance like kristallnacht and eventually the holocaust.
What ever happened to Pelly and the other fascists in America?
He started it. Unsurprisingly, even with virtually unlimited labor, the Reich discovered that you can't simply made bog ground suitable to build enormous structure without really insane level of prep work (like driving THOUSANDS of piles down a few hundred feet) that takes a really long time.@CalBear
Given that the "Warm War" lasted from approximately 1942 until 1952 or thereabouts Germany was pretty much at peace with no danger of attacks. Hitler wanted to build his "super city" Germania and had very grandiose ideas regarding what he wanted.
Germania (city) - Wikipedia
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Was Hitler able to realize any of the vast changes he wanted to make during the ten years of relative peace? He certainly had the labor force (i.e. slave labor) to do anything he wanted.
Well, they got their asses handed to them in the original book.Aliens? The Roxolani land in AANW's LA in 1945... or even 2020...
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He started it. Unsurprisingly, even with virtually unlimited labor, the Reich discovered that you can't simply made bog ground suitable to build enormous structure without really insane level of prep work (like driving THOUSANDS of piles down a few hundred feet) that takes a really long time.
Sort of like Boston's Big Dig on a combination of Steroids and Meth, with a distressing body count.And all the war can't have been good for meeting deadlines either.
I imagine TTL, there might be a crater that represents all the digging that went into the project, as well as the tragic human cost of it all.
Sort of like Boston's Big Dig on a combination of Steroids and Meth, with a distressing body count.
I have to agree! And thanks Calbear for the answer.I imagine when the Allies cleared out Berlin, they found tons of mass graves. Not just the Germans who died of disease, famine, and bombing, but also the skeletal remains of the slave laborers who worked on Hitler's vanity projects. In those skeletal remains, you could easily find signs of deprivation, disease and abuse.
One could argue that Nazism a project that was LITERALLY built on a pile of corpses.
They never really "cleared" Berlin to that degree. They went in, crushed any resistance, evaced all those who would leave, and sealed it off. Way too unheathy to spend the sort of time it would take to do the sort or clearing and investigation that would be needed.I imagine when the Allies cleared out Berlin, they found tons of mass graves. Not just the Germans who died of disease, famine, and bombing, but also the skeletal remains of the slave laborers who worked on Hitler's vanity projects. In those skeletal remains, you could easily find signs of deprivation, disease and abuse.
One could argue that Nazism a project that was LITERALLY built on a pile of corpses.